HDMI cable for XBOX 360???

On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:54:51 GMT, Rip RocK <no.TakeThisOut@way.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 22:49:07 GMT, Rip RocK <no.TakeThisOut@way.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 20:23:44 GMT, "Nomad" <user@#notme.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"carrajo" <carrazola.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> Is there an HDMI cable for the XBOX 360? Any on the horizon? It would
>>>> makes sense for an HDMI cable but would it even be possible?
>>>
>>>No...Probably not, though they claim when there is more demand they might do
>>>so but the current 360 is only delivering an analogue signal. Hence, it
>>>would require an upgrade to the system. I think, if they could have such a
>>>connection, they would have brought it out this holiday season. The fact
>>>they didn't, given the release of the PS3 and their 360 software dashboard
>>>update to allow for 1080p I think speaks volumes for the ability of the
>>>current 360 to accomodate such a connection.
>>>
>>>> My regular DVD's are not upcoverted to 720p or 1080i which I thought it
>>>> was supposed to do. I've read that the 360 does upconvert but only
>>>> using the VGA cable which does me no good, my Hi-Def TV does not have
>>>> VGA inputs.
>>>
>>>Upconverting to 720p, 1080i or 1080p is currently only possible over VGA.
>>>Are you sure your TV has no such input. Does it have an input labeled PC
>>>input or RGB as either of these might be the VGA input on your set?
>>
>>My TV, similar to the original poster's TV from Sony doesn't have any
>>VGA inputs, but it does have an "PC" input. But, this isn't the same
>>as the VGA input is it? Any idea as to what I can with this "PC"
>>input in terms of being able to get my TV to do 1080p with my 360?
>>TIA.
>
>Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that my TV can do native 1080p, no
>upconversion from 1080i.
>
>http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/%20INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDSR60XBR2&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_55to80TVs
>or, if you prefer, http://tinyurl.com/yjea6z Thanks for your time and
>courtesy.

Also, I found this bit of interesting tweaking to get TVs like mine to
do 1080p via VGA with no overscanning. But since I gave up on playing
games on my PC long ago, I only have an onboard graphics controller on
my system. Arrrrrgh.
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"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Unmutual wrote:
>> If you have a plasma tele it already upconverts. Upconverting is vastly
>> overrated. Your TV will automatically convert every input to it's native
>> signal.
>
> Are you sure about this?

A fixed pixel display (Plasma, LCD, etc.) is incapable of showing anything
other than the progressive native resolution it is designed to show.

I always thought you couldn't upconvert DVD
> component input past 480p. Most HDTV's will automatically make any
> signal progressive but not sure about upcoverting everything. I know
> Sony has Digital Reality Creation but I thought this was only for 480i
> tv broadcast sources that it upconverted.
>
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RKRM wrote:
> A fixed pixel display (Plasma, LCD, etc.) is incapable of showing anything
> other than the progressive native resolution it is designed to show.

That makes perfect sense, I guess I always thought the upconversion
that is done at the source (upconverting DVD player, etc) is different
than what the TV does with an incoming 480i signal in order to display
it on its fixed native resolution. After all, why is there such a big
deal made about upconverting DVD players? Do most modern HDTV's not do
the upconversion as well as an upconverting DVD player or 360?
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Neck & Red wrote:
> An upcoverting player such as the Xbox will send the TV the proper
> resolution to match your native display. The signal of course cannot be
> improved, but it can look better because the output will match the native
> resolution of your display.
>
Actually it can look worse if the upconverter (360 or DVD player) does
a worse job of scaling the original image than your TV. Seems like
that's not usually the case though, because why would there be some
many HD upconversion DVD players out there? I've also heard people say
in various forums that the 360 via VGA does a good job of upconverting
DVD movies. I have a 360 and a regular progressive scan DVD player,
but no 360 VGA cable, so I can't test whether this is the case on my TV
but am curious if the 360 really would upconvert DVD's better than my
TV.
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"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> RKRM wrote:
>> A fixed pixel display (Plasma, LCD, etc.) is incapable of showing
>> anything
>> other than the progressive native resolution it is designed to show.
>
> That makes perfect sense, I guess I always thought the upconversion
> that is done at the source (upconverting DVD player, etc) is different
> than what the TV does with an incoming 480i signal in order to display
> it on its fixed native resolution. After all, why is there such a big
> deal made about upconverting DVD players? Do most modern HDTV's not do
> the upconversion as well as an upconverting DVD player or 360?

I wouldn't know the answer to that I guess it would depend on the quality of
the scaler.


>
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Nomad wrote:

> No...Probably not, though they claim when there is more demand they might do
> so but the current 360 is only delivering an analogue signal. Hence, it
> would require an upgrade to the system. I think, if they could have such a
> connection, they would have brought it out this holiday season.

I think it can be done but it would be incredibly complicated.

Here's a converter box that takes a VGA signal and outputs it to DVI:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=1310
(Option 3 on this box would equal 1080p)

Then you convert the DVI to HDMI:
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_monitor_cables.html

The problem is that initial jump from VGA to DVI. The cheapest
conversion box I could find was $250 and prices went up to $800. Going
from analog to digital is way, way more expensive than downconverting
digital to analog (DVI to VGA plugs are cheap and plentiful.)

- Jordan
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Jordan wrote:
> The problem is that initial jump from VGA to DVI. The cheapest
> conversion box I could find was $250 and prices went up to $800.

I posted this link earlier:

http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/product.php?productid=16544

It's supposed to take VGA input and analog audio and convert it all to
HDMI in one box. Not a bad deal for $179 if it actually works.
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"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jordan wrote:
>> The problem is that initial jump from VGA to DVI. The cheapest
>> conversion box I could find was $250 and prices went up to $800.
>
> I posted this link earlier:
>
> http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/product.php?productid=16544
>
> It's supposed to take VGA input and analog audio and convert it all to
> HDMI in one box. Not a bad deal for $179 if it actually works.
>

That's a pretty cool device. I was reading the specs and you dont even need
a 360 VGA cable to work this bad boy just plug your component (comes with
the 360) into the supplied VGA to Component cable and BANG you're done! I
wonder if it would really work though. $179.00 + shipping is a bit much just
to find out though, also you would probobly need these
http://tinyurl.com/y5wf69 to get (presumably) the male ends of your 360
component and the supplied VGA to Component cable to connect. If anyone does
it post back and do tell.
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RKRM wrote:
>
> That's a pretty cool device. I was reading the specs and you dont even need
> a 360 VGA cable to work this bad boy just plug your component (comes with
> the 360) into the supplied VGA to Component cable and BANG you're done! I

It is a pretty cool device for what it does, but is of limited use for
most people since the main reason you would need this device would be
if you needed HDMI or VGA input to display full 1080p resolution but
your TV was lacking a VGA port. From what I've seen almost all 1080p
TV's have a VGA input.
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It appears the converter is for DVI-I. Most sets have DVI-D. Even if there
is some converter from VGA to DVI-D, I have a feeling this would really look
awful.

Nomad
"Jordan" <lundj.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Nomad wrote:
>
>> No...Probably not, though they claim when there is more demand they might
>> do
>> so but the current 360 is only delivering an analogue signal. Hence, it
>> would require an upgrade to the system. I think, if they could have such
>> a
>> connection, they would have brought it out this holiday season.
>
> I think it can be done but it would be incredibly complicated.
>
> Here's a converter box that takes a VGA signal and outputs it to DVI:
>
> http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=1310
> (Option 3 on this box would equal 1080p)
>
> Then you convert the DVI to HDMI:
> http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI_monitor_cables.html
>
> The problem is that initial jump from VGA to DVI. The cheapest
> conversion box I could find was $250 and prices went up to $800. Going
> from analog to digital is way, way more expensive than downconverting
> digital to analog (DVI to VGA plugs are cheap and plentiful.)
>
> - Jordan
>
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It is an interesting accessory but I'm curious as to the quality of output
users are reporting and I'd certainly want to know that before purchasing.

Nomad
"Tomcat (Tom)" <tom_dallas31.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jordan wrote:
>> The problem is that initial jump from VGA to DVI. The cheapest
>> conversion box I could find was $250 and prices went up to $800.
>
> I posted this link earlier:
>
> http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/product.php?productid=16544
>
> It's supposed to take VGA input and analog audio and convert it all to
> HDMI in one box. Not a bad deal for $179 if it actually works.
>
 >> Stay informed about: HDMI cable for XBOX 360???