Grognard coming back to 40k- need 1500pt SM list comments

Frankus Macimus wrote:
> John Hwang wrote:
>> Space Wolves aren't weak, but they need to be played like the deviant
>> lesser Chaos Marines that they are!
>
> I agree Wolves aren't weak but they're very different than your
> typical marine.

As I said: deviant lesser Chaos Marines. Those extended canines are
surely a minor Mark of Khorne!

>> And liking your army definitely helps you win.
>
> I love my Wolves, that for sure. They were on a long losing streak but
> we're making a comeback.

See?

>> OK, why not just DS them without the Pod? You wanted the extra cover?
>
> Space Wolves don't DS, we can only use drop pods. Actually with the
> new SM Codex we got the ability to only pod in a few units, before it
> was all or none....

Under 40k4 rules, Termies may *always* DS via Teleport, so the Pod only
adds Terrain & a gun. Not worth the 30pts, IMO, unless the SW Codex
specifically overrides.

>> He has 3MLs and 3 Lascannon total. I just think all 3 MLs should go
>> into the Devs, and each Lascannon should go into a Tac squad.

> I see your point but if he's infiltrating the lascannon, it may have a
> better shot earlier in the game than if it's in a Tac Squad. Granted,
> I'm only speaking of what's been done to me since I don't use
> infiltrators but nothing sucks like having a lascannon on your flank
> ready to shoot on turn 1.

If Infiltrating for a flank shot, 3 MLs will generally do just as well
as 2 MLs & 1 Lascannon.

> It's not terrible but when I look at all the long range destructive
> power other armies bring I do get a little jealous.

You're lesser Chaos, so you're extra fighty.

> That is until someone gets in charge range of a
> large pack of blood claws with 2 powerfists....

'zactly.

>> It's more of a fighty vehicle. Besides, it's not so uncommon that a
>> Dread gets Glanced, so can't shoot anyways. In those cases, extra
>> armour & smoke allows him to reposition & smoke, ready to attack next turn.
>>
>>> If you need smoke to protect the vehicle
>>> that means that some one can shoot at
>>> you and if they can hit you, you can hit them.
>>
>> Except when you've been Glanced...
>
> The thing is once the vehicle has been glanced, it's still a target.

Right. A target with a short-ranged gun that should be carrying a DNCCW
PF for Assault. By default, a Dread should be advancing on the enemy.

> Sure you won't get a penetration the next round of shooting if you pop
> smoke but you might also be able to avoid that shot with movement.

But what if that movement takes you another turn to get into HtH, or
away from the Objective???

> It's good for 3 points but I think movement can work just as well
> without the points cost. I'll leave it as a matter of preference.

For a measly 3 pts, the ability to advance forward into a good position
which may not have cover is a good buy.

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> > John Hwang wrote:
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>
> >> OK, why not just DS them without the Pod? You wanted the extra cover?
> >
> > Space Wolves don't DS, we can only use drop pods. Actually with the
> > new SM Codex we got the ability to only pod in a few units, before it
> > was all or none....
>
> Under 40k4 rules, Termies may *always* DS via Teleport, so the Pod only
> adds Terrain & a gun. Not worth the 30pts, IMO, unless the SW Codex
> specifically overrides.
>
I'm sorry, I mistyped. When I wrote that Space Wolves don't DS, I
meant we do not teleport. The SW Codex states under the special rule
"Will Not Teleport" that SW terminators can not DS unless the entire
army enters via drop pod. Now we get to use drop pods per the SM
Codex (allowing us to DP specific units) but there's been nothing to
allow us to teleport.

....snip....

--Frank