What is going to happen to Greyhawk?

Malachias Invictus wrote:
>
> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
> such as Thor, etc."
> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?

Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a Living
Forgotten Realms campaign.

It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line version of the
Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of a setting book coming
out on an annual basis, and while we know the Forgotten Realms is coming out in
September 2008 and presumably Eberron will follow in (hopefully early) 2009, not
much else has been confirmed. They've included Ravenloft as an example setting
on the D&D Insider previews, though, listed as a campaign on the character
selection screen.

The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that while
they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to develop . . .
hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.

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"Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia.DeleteThis@unwired.com.au> wrote in message
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> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>
>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
>> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
>> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
>> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
>> such as Thor, etc."
>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>
> Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a
> Living Forgotten Realms campaign.
>
> It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line version
> of the Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of a setting
> book coming out on an annual basis, and while we know the Forgotten Realms
> is coming out in September 2008 and presumably Eberron will follow in
> (hopefully early) 2009, not much else has been confirmed. They've included
> Ravenloft as an example setting on the D&D Insider previews, though,
> listed as a campaign on the character selection screen.
>
> The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that
> while they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to
> develop . . . hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.

I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright. Alternatively, I
wonder what the license is worth. I would love to jump in there and snag
that baby for the "old school" types at some point in time over the next
couple of years.

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

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"Keith Davies" <keith.davies DeleteThis @kjdavies.org> wrote in message
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> Malachias Invictus <invictusebay DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright.
>> Alternatively, I wonder what the license is worth. I would love to
>> jump in there and snag that baby for the "old school" types at some
>> point in time over the next couple of years.
>
> If you decide to go for it, drop me a line.

Absolutely. I like your ideas.

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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Malachias Invictus wrote:
> "Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia.DeleteThis@unwired.com.au> wrote in message
> news:fa87bo$8eg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
>>> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
>>> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
>>> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
>>> such as Thor, etc."
>>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>>> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>> Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a
>> Living Forgotten Realms campaign.
>>
>> It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line version
>> of the Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of a setting
>> book coming out on an annual basis, and while we know the Forgotten Realms
>> is coming out in September 2008 and presumably Eberron will follow in
>> (hopefully early) 2009, not much else has been confirmed. They've included
>> Ravenloft as an example setting on the D&D Insider previews, though,
>> listed as a campaign on the character selection screen.
>>
>> The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that
>> while they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to
>> develop . . . hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.
>
> I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright. Alternatively, I
> wonder what the license is worth. I would love to jump in there and snag
> that baby for the "old school" types at some point in time over the next
> couple of years.
>

I predict that as long as EGG lives, it'll be impossible to get that
deal done. Or Mythus, for that matter, which I'd buy outright from them
if they wanted to sell it.
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> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>> "Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia DeleteThis @unwired.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:fa87bo$8eg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
>>>> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
>>>> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
>>>> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
>>>> such as Thor, etc."
>>>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>>>> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>>> Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a
>>> Living Forgotten Realms campaign.
>>>
>>> It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line
>>> version of the Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of
>>> a setting book coming out on an annual basis, and while we know the
>>> Forgotten Realms is coming out in September 2008 and presumably Eberron
>>> will follow in (hopefully early) 2009, not much else has been confirmed.
>>> They've included Ravenloft as an example setting on the D&D Insider
>>> previews, though, listed as a campaign on the character selection
>>> screen.
>>>
>>> The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that
>>> while they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to
>>> develop . . . hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.
>>
>> I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright. Alternatively, I
>> wonder what the license is worth. I would love to jump in there and snag
>> that baby for the "old school" types at some point in time over the next
>> couple of years.
>>
>
> I predict that as long as EGG lives, it'll be impossible to get that deal
> done.

Why is that?

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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Malachias Invictus <invictusebay.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright.
> Alternatively, I wonder what the license is worth. I would love to
> jump in there and snag that baby for the "old school" types at some
> point in time over the next couple of years.

If you decide to go for it, drop me a line.


Keith
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Malachias Invictus wrote:
> "Some Guy" <noemailformethanks.TakeThisOut@anyplace.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hEoyi.39840$Vk6.25597@newsfe07.phx...
>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>> "Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia.TakeThisOut@unwired.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:fa87bo$8eg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>>>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
>>>>> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
>>>>> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
>>>>> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
>>>>> such as Thor, etc."
>>>>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>>>>> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>>>> Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a
>>>> Living Forgotten Realms campaign.
>>>>
>>>> It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line
>>>> version of the Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of
>>>> a setting book coming out on an annual basis, and while we know the
>>>> Forgotten Realms is coming out in September 2008 and presumably Eberron
>>>> will follow in (hopefully early) 2009, not much else has been confirmed.
>>>> They've included Ravenloft as an example setting on the D&D Insider
>>>> previews, though, listed as a campaign on the character selection
>>>> screen.
>>>>
>>>> The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that
>>>> while they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to
>>>> develop . . . hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.
>>> I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright. Alternatively, I
>>> wonder what the license is worth. I would love to jump in there and snag
>>> that baby for the "old school" types at some point in time over the next
>>> couple of years.
>>>
>> I predict that as long as EGG lives, it'll be impossible to get that deal
>> done.
>
> Why is that?
>

Because old enmities die hard, and even though TSR is no more, not all
of the people from the old "TSR vs. GDW" are gone from WOTC. Some
people would rather die than see EGG possibly regain control of the
world he created.

Since he's in his 70's now and in poorer health, it may not be long
before it does become possible. I only hope that the original Castle
Greyhawk, as filtered through the C&C game system, gets done first.

I won't name any names here for various reasons, but I have my sources
on who & what is holding this back, and that's the same reason that the
Mythus stuff they got in the settlement will also never see the light of
day so long as EGG is around.
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On Aug 18, 4:29 pm, "Malachias Invictus" <invictuse... RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We want to
> leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world - Mordenkainen,
> Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we also want to call
> upon the great mythology that is more commonly known such as Thor, etc."
>
> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be happy.
> Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?

Greyhawk has survived being shut out before. It can do it again.

They haven't really done anything with Greyhawk in the last couple of
years
anyway. The good stuff was all Paizo...
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"decalod85" <decalod85 RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Aug 18, 4:29 pm, "Malachias Invictus" <invictuse... RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We want
>> to
>> leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world - Mordenkainen,
>> Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we also want to
>> call
>> upon the great mythology that is more commonly known such as Thor, etc."
>>
>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>> happy.
>> Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>
> Greyhawk has survived being shut out before. It can do it again.
>
> They haven't really done anything with Greyhawk in the last couple of
> years
> anyway. The good stuff was all Paizo...

That is part of the reason I am thinking about acquiring the license.
Anyone with a love for the setting can tell that the Paizo folks really
treated it with the respect it deserves.

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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Keith Davies wrote:
>> I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright.
>> Alternatively, I wonder what the license is worth. I would love to
>> jump in there and snag that baby for the "old school" types at some
>> point in time over the next couple of years.
>
> If you decide to go for it, drop me a line.

Now that would be a Greyhawk that could just possibly interest me even
more than "Paizohawk"... both as a consumer and a possible contributor!


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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:32:43 -0700, "Malachias Invictus"
<invictusebay DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia DeleteThis @unwired.com.au> wrote in message
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>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>>
>>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
>>> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
>>> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
>>> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
>>> such as Thor, etc."
>>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>>> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>>
>> Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a
>> Living Forgotten Realms campaign.
>>
>> It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line version
>> of the Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of a setting
>> book coming out on an annual basis, and while we know the Forgotten Realms
>> is coming out in September 2008 and presumably Eberron will follow in
>> (hopefully early) 2009, not much else has been confirmed. They've included
>> Ravenloft as an example setting on the D&D Insider previews, though,
>> listed as a campaign on the character selection screen.
>>
>> The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that
>> while they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to
>> develop . . . hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.
>
>I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright. Alternatively, I
>wonder what the license is worth. I would love to jump in there and snag
>that baby for the "old school" types at some point in time over the next
>couple of years.

I don't think they would sell, they are still using a significant
amount of the IP with things such the pantheon and names (Bigby,
Mordenkainen, etc.)

GK
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"grant kinsley" <sawbones RemoveThis @uniserve.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 20:32:43 -0700, "Malachias Invictus"
> <invictusebay RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Christopher Adams" <mhacdebhandia RemoveThis @unwired.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:fa87bo$8eg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>> Malachias Invictus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On ENWorld, I read "Greyhawk will not be default setting in core. We
>>>> want to leverage the assets of the assumed parts of a D&D world -
>>>> Mordenkainen, Bigby, Vecna, Llolth, Tiamat, Asmodeus, etc. However, we
>>>> also want to call upon the great mythology that is more commonly known
>>>> such as Thor, etc."
>>>> That is great. License Greyhawk to Erik Mona and all of us will be
>>>> happy. Anyone have any other Greyhawk news?
>>>
>>> Living Greyhawk is closing down at Origins 2008, to be replaced by a
>>> Living Forgotten Realms campaign.
>>>
>>> It's possible that they may release a single-book or limited-line
>>> version
>>> of the Greyhawk setting down the line . . . mention was made of a
>>> setting
>>> book coming out on an annual basis, and while we know the Forgotten
>>> Realms
>>> is coming out in September 2008 and presumably Eberron will follow in
>>> (hopefully early) 2009, not much else has been confirmed. They've
>>> included
>>> Ravenloft as an example setting on the D&D Insider previews, though,
>>> listed as a campaign on the character selection screen.
>>>
>>> The painful thing for Erik Mona and Paizo Publishing, of course, is that
>>> while they'd love to do Greyhawk they now have their own setting IP to
>>> develop . . . hard choice, and tough for them to do both at once.
>>
>>I wonder what the Greyhawk IP is worth to buy outright. Alternatively, I
>>wonder what the license is worth. I would love to jump in there and snag
>>that baby for the "old school" types at some point in time over the next
>>couple of years.
>
> I don't think they would sell, they are still using a significant
> amount of the IP with things such the pantheon and names (Bigby,
> Mordenkainen, etc.)

That, too, could be (and would be) arranged with a contract.

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It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

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Malachias Invictus <invictusebay DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "grant kinsley" <sawbones DeleteThis @uniserve.com> wrote in message
> news:448kc3p2nilo8mq35i3bfsakg47o84il2p@4ax.com...
>>
>> I don't think they would sell, they are still using a significant
>> amount of the IP with things such the pantheon and names (Bigby,
>> Mordenkainen, etc.)
>
> That, too, could be (and would be) arranged with a contract.

I'm pretty sure it has been, for that matter. Anything referring to
entities from Ravenloft or Dragonlance, for example -- both have been
hived off to other companies. ISTR something similar with Birthright.

Hmm. I should check that project again, it's been a while.


Keith
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