Graphic cad issue...

me/2 wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:55:02 GMT, Diana BB <dianabb.DeleteThis@sapphire.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I installed a Radeon x1550 when I upgraded to Vista. It *seems* to
>>> be working but I did a scan using Everest for another issue and it
>>> tells me that there is no power to my graphics card. I have checked
>>> and the power is plugged in.
>>>
>>> Device Manager tells me it is working properly.
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Diana in Sapphire.
>
> Every video card I've owned that requires a power connection will pop
> up a warning message right after powering up the computer and will not
> allow the system to boot.
>
> Since you're getting into the operating system I wouldn't worry about
> it.
>
> me/2

Are you sure your power supply is large enough? I've never had that
problem.

Jeanie
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Jeanie wrote:
> me/2 wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 02:55:02 GMT, Diana BB <dianabb.DeleteThis@sapphire.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I installed a Radeon x1550 when I upgraded to Vista. It *seems* to
>>>> be working but I did a scan using Everest for another issue and it
>>>> tells me that there is no power to my graphics card. I have checked
>>>> and the power is plugged in.
>>>>
>>>> Device Manager tells me it is working properly.
>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Diana in Sapphire.
>> Every video card I've owned that requires a power connection will pop
>> up a warning message right after powering up the computer and will not
>> allow the system to boot.
>>
>> Since you're getting into the operating system I wouldn't worry about
>> it.
>>
>> me/2
>
> Are you sure your power supply is large enough? I've never had that
> problem.
>
> Jeanie
>
>

Hi me/2 and Jeanie,

Me/2 might be right but I wonder if the computer is flicking back to the
windows inbuilt graphics on startup?
I told them at the shop where I got the card the specs of my computer
and they assured me it would be okay......
The other thing I have just thought of is the fact that ATI cards load
twice....well they dont load two times but there are two instances of
them in the device manager.....one is subtitled secondary.I have read
that this is normal for an ATI graphics card,,,,I wonder if that is the
one that Everest is claiming has no power to it? It is the only program
that tells me there is a problem.

Thanks for your help. I will investigate that I DO have enough
power...although not sure how to go about that. Another learning curve!

Thanks again
Diana in Sapphire
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>
>Me/2 might be right but I wonder if the computer is flicking back to the
>windows inbuilt graphics on startup?
>I told them at the shop where I got the card the specs of my computer
>and they assured me it would be okay......
>The other thing I have just thought of is the fact that ATI cards load
>twice....well they dont load two times but there are two instances of
>them in the device manager.....one is subtitled secondary.I have read
>that this is normal for an ATI graphics card,,,,I wonder if that is the

It's normal for some other cards too.


>one that Everest is claiming has no power to it? It is the only program
>that tells me there is a problem.

It doesn't really matter what Everest says. If device manager is telling you that the card
is working, then it is working. If there was some problem with the power it's unlikely
that you would have been able to boot windows.

>Thanks for your help. I will investigate that I DO have enough
>power...although not sure how to go about that. Another learning curve!


If we assume that there is nothing wrong with the cables from the computer's power supply,
then the only way to get more power is to replace the power supply with a more powerful
one.


But.. if you don't have problems such as crashing when using "power-hungry" programs such
as the Sims 2, drives or peripherals that the computer can find sometimes but not always,
or weird messages, it's unlikely that you have a too small power supply.
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Strider wrote:
>
>> Me/2 might be right but I wonder if the computer is flicking back to the
>> windows inbuilt graphics on startup?
>> I told them at the shop where I got the card the specs of my computer
>> and they assured me it would be okay......
>> The other thing I have just thought of is the fact that ATI cards load
>> twice....well they dont load two times but there are two instances of
>> them in the device manager.....one is subtitled secondary.I have read
>> that this is normal for an ATI graphics card,,,,I wonder if that is the
>
> It's normal for some other cards too.
>
>
>> one that Everest is claiming has no power to it? It is the only program
>> that tells me there is a problem.
>
> It doesn't really matter what Everest says. If device manager is telling you that the card
> is working, then it is working. If there was some problem with the power it's unlikely
> that you would have been able to boot windows.
>
>> Thanks for your help. I will investigate that I DO have enough
>> power...although not sure how to go about that. Another learning curve!
>
>
> If we assume that there is nothing wrong with the cables from the computer's power supply,
> then the only way to get more power is to replace the power supply with a more powerful
> one.
>
>
> But.. if you don't have problems such as crashing when using "power-hungry" programs such
> as the Sims 2, drives or peripherals that the computer can find sometimes but not always,
> or weird messages, it's unlikely that you have a too small power supply.
>
>
Hi Strider,

As I dont have any of those problem I would say you are right and as I
rate 4 on the performance monitor and run Aero I would say my card is
working. Although I did notice last night when I was building a new
house that, when adding a fence,the fence that I had built kept
flickering...also had a moment when the windows and doors
disappeared...the holes were there but the actual object didnt show.
But I have just updated to the latest driver,released only a few weeks
ago, so it may just be an issue there. The game played ok...no glitches.
Thanks for your help.
Diana
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>> If we assume that there is nothing wrong with the cables from the computer's power supply,
>> then the only way to get more power is to replace the power supply with a more powerful
>> one.
>>
>>
>> But.. if you don't have problems such as crashing when using "power-hungry" programs such
>> as the Sims 2, drives or peripherals that the computer can find sometimes but not always,
>> or weird messages, it's unlikely that you have a too small power supply.
>>
>>
>Hi Strider,
>
>As I dont have any of those problem I would say you are right and as I
>rate 4 on the performance monitor and run Aero I would say my card is
>working. Although I did notice last night when I was building a new
>house that, when adding a fence,the fence that I had built kept
>flickering...also had a moment when the windows and doors
>disappeared...the holes were there but the actual object didnt show.
>But I have just updated to the latest driver,released only a few weeks
>ago, so it may just be an issue there. The game played ok...no glitches.
>Thanks for your help.

I don't know much about ATI cards, but that sounds like a driver problem, or maybe the
game doesn't "like" your card. There are similar problems with Nvidia cards also.
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On Oct 25, 5:39 pm, Diana BB <dian... RemoveThis @sapphire.com> wrote:
> As I dont have any of those problem I would say you are right and as I
> rate 4 on the performance monitor and run Aero I would say my card is
> working. Although I did notice last night when I was building a new
> house that, when adding a fence,the fence that I had built kept
> flickering...also had a moment when the windows and doors
> disappeared...the holes were there but the actual object didnt show.

First return to some basic electrical principles. A power supply
can be defective or undersized; computer still boots fine. A failure
is not apparent until system draws major power. For example, video
card may not draw a maximum load until many internal functions are
being activated. Only then suffer from low voltage. Low enough to
work fine (according to Device Manager) but maybe so low as to cause a
function (or memory location) to fail.

No way to determine a power supply sufficient without actual
numbers. That means operating the system under a maximum load, and
then collecting important numbers with a 3.5 digit multimeter. The
entire procedure is posted in "When your computer dies without
warning....." starting 6 Feb 2007 in the newsgroup alt.windows-xp
at:
http://tinyurl.com/yvf9vh
In your case, the useful part is a latter paragraph for voltages on
purple, yellow, orange and red wires when system is fully loaded.
Then post those numbers here to learn other facts about your system's
integrity. Numbers mean those with better technical knowledge can
provide useful replies.

Fully loaded means accessing disk drive constantly while displaying
complex graphics (ie a movie), using sound card, accessing internet,
reading a CD-Rom, etc all simultaneously (multitasking). Only then
does a simple tool - the multimeter - take useful numbers.

Nothing else including speculation from the tech shop can report a
power supply sufficient. Especially when so many computer experts do
not know how electricity works and power supply manufacturers take
advantage of that ignorance by claiming misleading numbers.

Let's say your video card has a soft memory location. What does the
comprehensive hardware diagnostic report for that video card? Better
manufacturers provide comprehensive diagnostics just for your
problem. Device Manager can only report the most obscene failures.
One soft memory location would be ignored by Device Manager. But a
diagnostic operating first at room temperature, and then repeated at a
'pig heaven happy' temperature created by a hairdryer on highest
heat; that diagnostic would either locate a defect or would be the
only indicator of a good video controller.

Notice this post is about getting a definitive answer. Your tech
shop, for example, could only speculate an answer. Nothing previously
posted even says the power supply is functional. A defective or
undersized power supply can still boot a computer just fine. That
problem can only be identified from numbers as detailed above.
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