Gaining knowledge

On May 8, 3:46 am, "steve.kaye" <nos... RemoveThis @giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> I was in SMV last night to grind some motes of air for my felsteel
> whisper knives when someone asked in general chat for a dps to fill
> out their group for Gorefiend's armour quest. I have that in my log
> and would like the helmet so I respond. I get an invite and head off
> to the peak to summon the two 68s.
>
> We get there and there is a couple of alliance there waiting too. We
> land and summon one only to be killed by the allies when the rest of
> their group turns up. They had two priests who mind controlled two of
> us off and then the five of them killed the other two.
>
> What did this gain them at all? Why do people start fights when they
> are obviously there to do a particular PvE quest that is usually hard
> to get a group for? One thing that it gained them is a bit of extra
> knowledge. The first bit of knowledge they gained is that it's a bad
> idea to kick off with the other side before fighting a big ghostly
> dragon. The dragon might suddenly have gained friends. The second
> thing that they learned is that if your healer is blinded shortly
> after the fight starts and two of your DPS are stunned and distracted
> fighting a rogue then you're going to wipe even if you do kill the
> rogue.
>
> Petty, I know, but they started it and I enjoyed it.
>
> steve.kaye
>
> p.s. they also gained a repair bill

I have to agree. I hate when people do this. I hate when people in
my own group do this. Most likely, they didn't want to wait for a
respawn after your group killed the dragon, so they killed your group
in order to get their shot at the dragon.

The Ring of Blood quest in Nagrand suffers from the same problem.
Both sides griefing each other causing both sides to take longer to
complete the quests, on top of people not getting the quest turned in
right in order for the whole group to move on and not have to repeat a
round.

I pointed out in another rant how people seem to focus some of their
PvP at the areas of SSO progression. Seems counter productive to
hinder someone else from completing the daily when their completion of
the daily has a beneficial effect on yourself. I haven't participated
much in the progression dailies simply because when I go there, there
tends to be a group ganking people doing the quests.
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steve.kaye wrote:
> ...
>
> We get there and there is a couple of alliance there waiting too. We
> land and summon one only to be killed by the allies when the rest of
> their group turns up. They had two priests who mind controlled two of
> us off and then the five of them killed the other two.
>
> What did this gain them at all? Why do people start fights when they
> are obviously there to do a particular PvE quest that is usually hard
> to get a group for?

I don't understand people doing that either. A reason might be that they
were afraid you might attack them later or mess up their quest and
wanted to scare you off, but often their motivation is not rational .

Last Sunday I tried to do Blood Furnace with my level 62 Paladin and our
group got camped by a 5 man horde party (all level 70) that were there
to do the heroic daily. We felt honored that they delayed their instance
run for 30 minutes to kill, camp and prevent us from using the stone to
summon the last party member while they didn't even gain honor because
we were too low in level. Our healer had enough after 20 minutes and we
spend one hour looking for a replacement.

> One thing that it gained them is a bit of extra
> knowledge. The first bit of knowledge they gained is that it's a bad
> idea to kick off with the other side before fighting a big ghostly
> dragon. The dragon might suddenly have gained friends. The second
> thing that they learned is that if your healer is blinded shortly
> after the fight starts and two of your DPS are stunned and distracted
> fighting a rogue then you're going to wipe even if you do kill the
> rogue.

It's good if things turn to their disadvantage, maybe they learned from it.

Had a nice encounter yesterday while questing in hellfire. My Prot Pala
was killing birds (5 at the same time) when a BE shadow priest crossed
my path. He stopped, looked and attacked (Prot Pala is no challenge for
casters and when he is already fighting a bunch of mobs it's even
easier). I managed to finish my mobs, still had a full mana bar and all
cooldowns available, so I knew I could drag the fight a bit.
The ground started shaking, which indicated a Fel Reaver passing by and
he was indeed coming directly our way. I waited till he was almost on
top of us (by the time I was already below 20% health - still full mana)
and bubbled. He didn't aggro on me, he went straight for the priest and
one shotted him. Couldn't help but laugh.
I'm sure the next time he will be more careful of his surroundings .

Dirk
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D> I don't understand people doing that either. A reason might be that
D> they were afraid you might attack them later or mess up their quest
D> and wanted to scare you off, but often their motivation is not
D> rational .

But if they kill me or even try they can be sure I will do my best to make
them wipe, if they dont touch me I wont touch them... actually I might even
help so my turn comes faster.

I guess some people don't think or have too much free time to waste and dont
care of the PVE objectives they were there to do in the first place.
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Shammy wrote:
> D> I don't understand people doing that either. A reason might be that
> D> they were afraid you might attack them later or mess up their quest
> D> and wanted to scare you off, but often their motivation is not
> D> rational .
>
> But if they kill me or even try they can be sure I will do my best to make
> them wipe, if they dont touch me I wont touch them... actually I might even
> help so my turn comes faster.

That's you, but most people I encountered didn't behave that way. I
can't count how many times I helped out someone, who then sat down to
eat and after he was full again waited until I engaged a mob and then
killed me while he had the advantage.

When I'm fighting some mobs and my health bar is below 50% and a player
from the opposite faction comes by it's a 85% chance he will try to kill
me. That also includes people that you left alone before. That's just my
personal experience from the PVP server I'm playing on. Groups are even
worse, the chance that there is one player who thinks "easy kill" is
much higher.

> I guess some people don't think or have too much free time to waste and dont
> care of the PVE objectives they were there to do in the first place.

Yep, when it comes to PVE objectives on PvP Servers it's often "I Don't
care". My Server is still in Phase 3 (50%) of the Shattered Sun
Offensive. When someone complained about the slow progression and the
heavy ganking the consensus was that progression didn't matter! Each
visit to Quel'Danas includes at least 5 corpse runs .

Dirk
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 05:34:17 -0700 (PDT), lcpltom <lcpltom RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>If you were low level and doing Blood Furnace, then you were probably
>around level 61 or 62 right? I might be wrong, but I think at that
>level, thats still an HK for a 70.

62 is, 61 is not, assuming HKs are for green or higher players... I know
that based off what gives me spirit tap when I'm farming primal life on my
priest, the 62s do and the 61s don't
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Sagart - Undead Priest (lvl 70)
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Sealgair - Dwarf Hunter (lvl 70)
Eilnich - Blood Elf Warlock (lvl 70)
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On May 8, 3:46 am, "steve.kaye" <nos... RemoveThis @giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> I was in SMV last night to grind some motes of air for my felsteel
> whisper knives when someone asked in general chat for a dps to fill
> out their group for Gorefiend's armour quest.  I have that in my log
> and would like the helmet so I respond.  I get an invite and head off
> to the peak to summon the two 68s.
>
> We get there and there is a couple of alliance there waiting too.  We
> land and summon one only to be killed by the allies when the rest of
> their group turns up.  They had two priests who mind controlled two of
> us off and then the five of them killed the other two.
>
> What did this gain them at all?  Why do people start fights when they
> are obviously there to do a particular PvE quest that is usually hard
> to get a group for?  One thing that it gained them is a bit of extra
> knowledge.  The first bit of knowledge they gained is that it's a bad
> idea to kick off with the other side before fighting a big ghostly
> dragon.  The dragon might suddenly have gained friends.  The second
> thing that they learned is that if your healer is blinded shortly
> after the fight starts and two of your DPS are stunned and distracted
> fighting a rogue then you're going to wipe even if you do kill the
> rogue.  
>
> Petty, I know, but they started it and I enjoyed it.
>
> steve.kaye
>
> p.s. they also gained a repair bill

well.. you're on a pvp server.

pvp happens.

cry about it some more.
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On 9 May, 07:34, Blackheart - US - PvP <blackheart666_2... RemoveThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

> well.. you're on a pvp server.
>
> pvp happens.
>
> cry about it some more.

Who was crying? I was telling a story about how I got them back and
laughed about it.

steve.kaye
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On May 8, 3:46 am, "steve.kaye" <nos....TakeThisOut@giddy-kippers.co.uk> wrote:
> I was in SMV last night to grind some motes of air for my felsteel
> whisper knives when someone asked in general chat for a dps to fill
> out their group for Gorefiend's armour quest. I have that in my log
> and would like the helmet so I respond. I get an invite and head off
> to the peak to summon the two 68s.
>
> We get there and there is a couple of alliance there waiting too. We
> land and summon one only to be killed by the allies when the rest of
> their group turns up. They had two priests who mind controlled two of
> us off and then the five of them killed the other two.
>
> What did this gain them at all? Why do people start fights when they
> are obviously there to do a particular PvE quest that is usually hard
> to get a group for? One thing that it gained them is a bit of extra
> knowledge. The first bit of knowledge they gained is that it's a bad
> idea to kick off with the other side before fighting a big ghostly
> dragon. The dragon might suddenly have gained friends. The second
> thing that they learned is that if your healer is blinded shortly
> after the fight starts and two of your DPS are stunned and distracted
> fighting a rogue then you're going to wipe even if you do kill the
> rogue.
>
> Petty, I know, but they started it and I enjoyed it.
>
> steve.kaye
>
> p.s. they also gained a repair bill

I found something in Blue Tracker this morning that sheds some light
onto this subject.

http://blue.cardplace.com/newcache/forums.worldofwarcraft.com/63779184...htm?pos

Seems that PvPers have been lacking a bit in PvP action since TBC came
out because everyone starts flying at 70. There are fewer people on
the ground, and when you get people on the ground you have to take
your chance. Quel'Danas has provided the perfect opportunity for
these people, as no one there can fly away.

The person who posted that to the forums is specifically asking for
PvE content in Northrend that is inaccessible by flight and forces
people into a bottle neck.
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And you got your revenge .

I was one day farming motes of life with my 63 pally and group of three 70 hordes killed me about ~five times during one hour. Well its a rp-pvp realm so.. payback @ x-roads .
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Hello, Jarre RemoveThis @spamless.com!
You wrote on Fri, 09 May 2008 10:53:38 GMT:

J> And you got your revenge .

J> I was one day farming motes of life with my 63 pally and group of
J> three 70 hordes killed me about ~five times during one hour. Well its
J> a rp-pvp realm so.. payback @ x-roads .

I make sure I kill the exact same horde that killed me or I dont kill
anyone, many times after being ganked I see someone I can gank myself but I
never do it unless it's someone that ganked me. What satisfaction can you
have to kill lowbies in XR and you dont even gank the person that killed
you... Seems to me like kids that get bullied by bigger kids and then they
bully smaller ones out of frustration :p

I totally agree on revenge just do it on the same people that did it to you
:p
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