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Since: Jan 08, 2008 Posts: 82
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:25 am
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Hey,
Jervis was in Cork, Eire for Warpcon and some Q&As recently.
The following are recollections of an attendee (antaeus at relicnews):
+++
The idea behind the Chaos legions is that he felt that the last book
tried to cover every aspect of the Chaos forces, and did it badly. The
way he saw Chaos was as this huge amalgamation of different forces
serving the Dark Gods, each deserving their own army book.
The current Chaos codex is meant to represent renegade marines, not
necessarily the ancient 10,000 year old servants of Chaos. He felt
that while splitting up the different aspects of Chaos into their
separate sections while at first painful (as shown by the displeasure
at the recent codex) will, in the long run, do each component part
more justice than a small 20-30 page footnote in an army book.
Epic will receive some more support, as he feels it's currently pretty
under-represented. A Space Wolf codex is high on the priority list,
and he revealed they're among his favourite chapters, purely because
they actually care about the civilians, they're the good guys as he
put it.
He wants to release a book of scenarios for 40K as he feels most of
the complaints from people come from the fact that there are a limited
amount of scenarios and mission types, and people can tailor their
armies to excel in those limited confines, and as such win more
easily. He feels a more varied aproach to missions and scenarios might
help to balance the game, rather than a more kill things and have more
scoring units than your opponent aproach.
Nagash will make a return to the fantasy world. He's not quite sure
how it'll be done, but he feels he deserves a new model, and possibly
an army based around him. Key word being possible.
Jervis revealed (and I can quote him on this) that Cypher is
"absolutely NOT a Chaos Space Marine". The way he envisioned Cypher is
as an avatar of redemption, that in some sense the fallen Dark Angels
are the good guys, as they see their mistakes and learned from it, but
the Dark Angels simply can't see past it, and instead decide to kill
things to solve the problem. He also said that Cypher is not entirely
human (or super human as the case may be) anymore due to the rend in
reality that shattered Caliban, casting the fallen angels through
space and time. He said there's a mystical aspect to his character. He
also explained a lot of where he got the idea from, a Clint Eastwood
movie called High Plains Drifter was his main inspiration.
+++
Chaos legions WILL be getting a full codex. His exact words were "if
we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
Dark Eldar are HIGH on the list guys. Alien hunters isn't on the
radar, since the focus is on updating current army lists rather than
starting new ones. This means Dark Eldar, Guard and Space Wolf players
are going to be happy
Sorry for you armoured company guys, Jervis mentioned when I asked
that they'd be ridiculously hard to manage balance wise, but they're
throwing around the idea of giving Guard maybe 4 Heavy Support slots.
He first said 6 and then when my eyes widened in shock he laughed and
shrugged, "Well maybe 4...". He feels armoured company are better off
in Apocalypse, and he might do a datasheet on them for it, but as far
as 40K it doesn't look good.
Jez Goodwin (hope I spelt that right) is already throwing around some
concepts for Dark Eldar plastics btw.
Update on Liber Apocalyptica. Based on what he said last night and
today it's going to be a White Dwarf segment. The April edition
contains a datasheet for an Emperor's Children Warband, with lots of
juicy sonic weapons.
Basically Jervis sort of apologised for the Chaos codex. He said they
regret not letting Chaos guys in on what the big picture was, and he
feels they probably should have pushed that angle a little more
+++
A new Imperial Guard codex is being talked about.
A Space Wolf codex is high on the priority list, and he revealed
they're among his favourite chapters, purely because they actually
care about the civilians, they're the good guys as he put it.
There's not going to be much in the way of Lost And The Damned as
Jervis feels they're covered already and more suited to Apocalypse as
it is.
Void Dragon fans don't hold your breath. I asked him if we're going to
learn any more about it and it was the only question I asked to which
he replied he has no idea.
Basalisks will be back in Iron Warriors, the demon book while as of
now is not allied with the Chaos Codex I suspect bits will find their
way into the Word Bearers book....overall, I am pleased by this...we
may even see the return of the 2 wound 1000 Son Terminators
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in all respects Jervis is a tool for the company, nothing more
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Well, now. That was a bit of an eye-opener, wasn't it?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:54 am
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Hey,
On Jan 31, 10:32 am, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > His exact words were "if
> > we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
>
> am i the only person who laughed so hard his stomache ruptured at this
> remark?
He probably got enough emails to fill his cube with Poison Pen
letters.
And now, upon reflection, he feels things might have been done
better?
LOL!
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:32 am
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> His exact words were "if
> we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
am i the only person who laughed so hard his stomache ruptured at this
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:46 am
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Hey,
On Jan 31, 11:31 am, "Doctor Rock" <mala....DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> i can't help wondering what it was he did to deserve it
I'll venture a guess based on my tangential business experience:
He let the bean-counters put a nameplate on his desk.
I've seen people fall hostage to their job descriptions.
Once that plate's on their desk, they become a prisoner.
Their cell lies between the IN basket and the OUT basket.
And, here's the insidious part -
As long as the checks don't bounce, they'll just coast.
It's *just* enough pay to avert mutinous thought.
And a regular paycheck means security . . .
Bean-counters are usually persuasive little fembots, too -
Paperwork keeping you from enjoying your job as you once did?
Well, that all comes with your solemn responsibilities, right?
Why, you're a very important asset to this company!
Just look at this shiny nameplate!
See how it glistens?
Your eyelids begin to feel very heavy . . .
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:33 am
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On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:25:27 -0800 (PST), JohnPaulPontiff RemoveThis @gmail.com
wrote:
>Basically Jervis sort of apologised for the Chaos codex. He said they
>regret not letting Chaos guys in on what the big picture was, and he
>feels they probably should have pushed that angle a little more
I'm sorry, Jerv, but I call bollocks here. You guys made up this plan
after everyone got pissed off, which is why you didn't share it - you
didn't have a plan originally.
--
Erik
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:54 pm
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The Cheshire Cat wrote:
>> His exact words were "if
>> we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
>
> am i the only person who laughed so hard his stomache ruptured at this
> remark?
>
>
Do you know the worst thing of all? If I had known he was in Cork, I
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:54 pm
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"oeb" <what.will.i.do.with.a.gig.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:H8moj.24368$j7.451514@news.indigo.ie...
> The Cheshire Cat wrote:
>>> His exact words were "if
>>> we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
>>
>> am i the only person who laughed so hard his stomache ruptured at this
>> remark?
>
> Do you know the worst thing of all? If I had known he was in Cork, I could
> have been in slapping distance within an hour =(
ass. think better! *slap* >> Stay informed about: [GW] Jervis Q&A |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:31 pm
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<JohnPaulPontiff.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hey,
>
> On Jan 31, 10:32 am, "The Cheshire Cat" <Rokn....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > His exact words were "if
>> > we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
>>
>> am i the only person who laughed so hard his stomache ruptured at this
>> remark?
>
> He probably got enough emails to fill his cube with Poison Pen
> letters.
> And now, upon reflection, he feels things might have been done
> better?
JJ seems to spend all his time nowadays making excuses for GW's execrable
management and marketing decisions. I guess someone's gotta do it, but i
can't help wondering what it was he did to deserve it. >> Stay informed about: [GW] Jervis Q&A |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:15 pm
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Hey,
On Jan 31, 11:30 am, "Doctor Rock" <mala....RemoveThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > The idea behind the Chaos legions is that he felt that the last book
> > tried to cover every aspect of the Chaos forces, and did it badly.
> dunno about that - there was room for improvement exploitation-wise
I can remember only two counts -
1. Unrestricted IW Obliterators, and
2. The Siren Prince
Timely errata would have stopped the quite predictable abuses.
But left unattended, they soon became Tourney abominations.
> > Jervis sort of apologised for the Chaos codex
> those are bold words
Particularly to those that remember JJ's own 1999 Codex:
+++
Since Codex Chaos came out, a number of Chaos players have
pointed out a couple of anomalies in the army list (I think
that where Jervis says 'anomalies' he means mistakes, hmm
Jervis?!? -- Andy). Basically a couple of last minute changes
to the list were not thought through quite as thoroughly as
they could have been. To make up for this, below are some
corrections ...
+++
For the record, JJ then cited eight 'anomalies'.
> > There's not going to be much in the way of Lost And The Damned as
> > Jervis feels they're covered already and more suited to Apocalypse
> huh.
I agree, if by 'huh' you mean -
'They're not covered, and are particularly unsuited to 40kA'.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 1:49 pm
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It was twenty years ago today, JohnPaulPontiff DeleteThis @gmail.com taught the band
to play:
>
> The idea behind the Chaos legions is that he felt that the last book
> tried to cover every aspect of the Chaos forces, and did it badly. The
> way he saw Chaos was as this huge amalgamation of different forces
> serving the Dark Gods, each deserving their own army book.
>
I'd love to know the release schedule on these books, are we going to
see one a year so that those who play the Powers at the butt-end of the
scale are stuck with that abysmal Thorpian nightmare for another four years?
> The current Chaos codex is meant to represent renegade marines, not
> necessarily the ancient 10,000 year old servants of Chaos. He felt
> that while splitting up the different aspects of Chaos into their
> separate sections while at first painful (as shown by the displeasure
> at the recent codex) will, in the long run, do each component part
> more justice than a small 20-30 page footnote in an army book.
>
As opposed to just doing the thing right in the first place?
> He wants to release a book of scenarios for 40K as he feels most of
> the complaints from people come from the fact that there are a limited
> amount of scenarios and mission types, and people can tailor their
> armies to excel in those limited confines, and as such win more
> easily. He feels a more varied aproach to missions and scenarios might
> help to balance the game, rather than a more kill things and have more
> scoring units than your opponent aproach.
>
This is a good idea, though could just as easily be added to White Dwarf
issues to actually give people a reason to buy the wretched thing.
> Chaos legions WILL be getting a full codex. His exact words were "if
> we're going to do things, we're going to do them right."
>
"For a change"
> Basically Jervis sort of apologised for the Chaos codex. He said they
> regret not letting Chaos guys in on what the big picture was, and he
> feels they probably should have pushed that angle a little more
>
Just before pushing Gav out a window would have been favourite.
--
Kurt *Kill the nospam to reply*
Ignoring the fluff is like sleeping with your cousin!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:01 pm
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On Feb 2, 7:15 am, JohnPaulPont... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> Hey,
>
> On Jan 31, 11:30 am, "Doctor Rock" <mala... RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > The idea behind the Chaos legions is that he felt that the last book
> > > tried to cover every aspect of the Chaos forces, and did it badly.
> > dunno about that - there was room for improvement exploitation-wise
>
> I can remember only two counts -
>
> 1. Unrestricted IW Obliterators, and
Which got nerfed (acceptably) pretty quickly by the 4(5) T fix. that
was only a few months iirc.
Made me sad (as a non IW player who had oblits) but was fair enough.
> 2. The Siren Prince
What was the problem with this?
Slaaneshi DPs had best Init so were good hero assasins and the siren
let them smash enemies in cover but still not as good at general
mayhem as a khorne DP.
>
> Timely errata would have stopped the quite predictable abuses.
> But left unattended, they soon became Tourney abominations.
>
> > > Jervis sort of apologised for the Chaos codex
> > those are bold words
>
> Particularly to those that remember JJ's own 1999 Codex:
I was rereading that the other day. Yes that was a poo codex. very
similar to present poo one but had even less fluff. like 2 pages.
But probably better fluff than the emo-rines one. But then I have the
RoC books and so always have a few hundred pages of good fluff to
read.
>
> > > There's not going to be much in the way of Lost And The Damned as
> > > Jervis feels they're covered already and more suited to Apocalypse
> > huh.
>
> I agree, if by 'huh' you mean -
> 'They're not covered, and are particularly unsuited to 40kA'.
>
Its fine for me. My LatD are more renegade guard anyway (I now use
daemon hunter rules) and have always mostly been for big games that'd
now use 40kA rules. but then they are a very secondary army to me.
I can imagine those with big mutant swarms would be pissed though. I
don't know what you'd do. Treat as tyranids?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:54 pm
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Hey,
On Feb 2, 12:01 am, cheezhan... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > 1. Unrestricted IW Obliterators
> Which got nerfed (acceptably) pretty quickly by the 4(5) T fix
Quantity, not quality, was the problem with the v3 IWs -
Remember, back then Minimum HQ/Troops were @185pts.
So, assclown lists had 4 Heavy slots *and* 3x3 Obliterators.
Tourney chimps ftw!
> > 2. Siren Prince
> What was the problem with this?
Strict RAW left no points limit on Minor Psi. :- (
No GW FAQ ever fixed this loophole, afaik.
So, Tourney assclowns exploited it.
Ad nauseum.
> that was a poo codex
Yes. The Poodex author is now Al and Gav's boss -
It's like a 3-ring circus. Sensing a pattern, yet? ;- )
> I have the RoC books and so always have a few
> hundred pages of good fluff to read.
Lack of fluff isn't the problem with the Emorines.
Quite the opposite, imo.
> > 'They're not covered, and are particularly unsuited to 40kA'.
> Its fine for me
Now you're just yanking my chain.
> My LatD are more renegade guard anyway
Um, that's what LatD *are* - often led by CSM Champs.
A true LatD list integrates IG Units into a CSM List.
Or vice versa. [shrug] It's not rocket surgery.
> they are a very secondary army to me
Maybe I misunderstood the reasons for EoT/ Hunters.
I thought secondary lists were their whole *point*.
Note: Imperial secondary lists are still valid.
> I can imagine those with big mutant swarms would be pissed though.
My LatD Mutants actually did double duty as AL Cultists.
I'm pretty calm about things, but they're kinda hacked . . .
> I would have thought LatD would suit Apoc nicely.
LatD players only need 40k, not 40kA, rules by definition:
40kA lets CSM players take any IG Codex Units as Allies.
40kA lets IG players take any CSM Codex Units as Allies.
Giving us hope by promising us a Formation was just cruel.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:58 am
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Hey,
> > On Feb 2, 12:01 am, cheezhan....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
> none that got silly with their list
You'd certainly remember a 9x Blitter, 4x IF Defiler list.
The abuse of a poorly thought-out rule was the problem.
> I do remember a guy back when I worked in a shop that did this
The abuse of that poorly thought-out rule was a problem.
There you go - two exploits within the v3 Codex.
Both easily amended via FAQ.
> very standard khorne
> and emps children armies
Just to clarify my position:
IW and EC lists weren't a problem per se -
But rather, abusive players empowered by lack of errata.
GW's willful lack of support *created* the clamor for revision.
Note: Chaos players were clamoring for a comprehensive FAQ.
Only other players seemed to think the whole Codex was 'too hard'.
> > Lack of fluff isn't the problem with the Emorines.
> > Quite the opposite, imo.
> Lack of good, consistent, fluff that you want to read?
I referred to the inclusion of reams of Loyalist fluff in *my* Codex.
Add to this the revisionist lame-rule-justification 'Renegade' fluff.
"Dear Gav, I already *had* the option to play Space Marines!"
> nice to have my 1k sons walking forward tearing massive holes in
> DA squads and my sorcs instakilling a chapter master and a chaplain
The Gavdex's playability isn't the issue - getting Squatted is the
issue.
> I was going to get out my LatD and reorganise them but they havn't
> even made it out of the display case
You and thousands of other bored and/or angry Chaos players.
If:
Sales are in proportion to the sucktitude of new books and models.
Then:
Suckage = low sales, low sales = no support, no support = no sales.
Corollary:
GW's low standards for professionalism = Squatted lists.
Ask any DE player.
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