[GW] [40k] Chaos HQs

Hey,

I'm trying to reconcile my old (ha!) models with the new dex.
My winged Lords are no longer represented in the new rules.

I'm just wondering if I've overlooked or misinterpreted something.
I can field them now only as "Daemon Princes" or "Sorcerers".
Basically, I can't see taking any HQ other than the Prince.

Here's a Chaos HQ summary:

+++

- Daemon Prince -
+3WS, +1BS, +2S, +1T, +3W, +1I, +3A, 3+/5+.

This year's model can have wings, but no ranged weapon (?).
He's listed as Monstrous, and Immune to Instant Death.
With the Mark of Khorne, he's the army's best fighter.
With any other mark, he's the army's best Psyker.

Points permitting, he'll always be Slaaneshi, so he can take the Lash
-

Lash is a Psi Power that lets you move enemy Units in your Shooting
Phase.
Move a Unit out of Cover, off an Objective, into LoS, Charge Range,
etc.
Or, if you want, you can move an Avatar or Old One Eye *away* from
you.
The (non-vehicle) Unit just has to be within 24in *before* you move
it.

So what, you say? Well, after a good Lashing, enemy Units are Pinned!
Now, combine this Move/ Pin ability with an Obliterator tag-team.
Okay? Now, think about two such teams ...

What's not to like?

Model-related sidebar:
Oddly, Al and Gav deleted the Gifts that forced use of the actual DP
model.
He's Monstrous, but there's no size spec under that entry in the
rulebook.
So, leaving out Stature means our old Lord models can still represent
a DP.

The joke -
The DP has no 'Daemon' Special Rule in his entry, so he's not a
Daemon.
Interestingly, the same can be said of Greater and Lesser Daemons,
too.
Sorry! Them's the rules, or rather, lack of rules, Daemonhunter
dudes ...

- Lord -
This is the new budget (only double the cost of last year's Lt!) HQ
Unit.
This guy's statline: +2WS, +1BS, +2W, +1I, +2A, 5+ Inv, looks good.
Unfortunately, like the Sorcerer, he's too far outclassed by the
Prince.
(The DP's stats and immunity to ID alone are worth the 20pt
difference.)

- Sorcerer -
Basically, just a Lord with lower WS. Minimum cost is the same as the
DP.
Yes, he's a Psyker, but he's saddled with the stupid Force Weapon:

All Psi Powers are tested at Start of Turn or Instead of Shooting.
But, the CC Force Weapon can't be used in the same turn as Psi
Powers.
So, by the time he gets to the Assault Phase, he can't use his FW!

Verdict: DPs are the only clear HQ choice.
The others are nearly identical in cost and features, but less
effective.

+++

The stats and Special Rules seem to favor the DP above all.
There are other (minor) factors to consider, but that's the gist.
Anyone care to champion the Lord or Sorcerer choices?

Wha'd I miss?


Playa

"Playa" wrote
> Hey,
> I'm just wondering if I've overlooked or misinterpreted something.
> I can field them now only as "Daemon Princes" or "Sorcerers".
> Basically, I can't see taking any HQ other than the Prince.
>
> Here's a Chaos HQ summary:
>
> +++
>
> - Daemon Prince -
> +3WS, +1BS, +2S, +1T, +3W, +1I, +3A, 3+/5+.
>
> This year's model can have wings, but no ranged weapon (?).
> He's listed as Monstrous, and Immune to Instant Death.
> With the Mark of Khorne, he's the army's best fighter.
> With any other mark, he's the army's best Psyker.
>
> Points permitting, he'll always be Slaaneshi, so he can take the Lash

Gratuitous cheese FTW! Incidentally, my local gaming group has totally
banned use of the Lash because its just that broken.

> - Sorcerer -
> Basically, just a Lord with lower WS. Minimum cost is the same as the
> DP.
> Yes, he's a Psyker, but he's saddled with the stupid Force Weapon:
>
> All Psi Powers are tested at Start of Turn or Instead of Shooting.
> But, the CC Force Weapon can't be used in the same turn as Psi
> Powers.
> So, by the time he gets to the Assault Phase, he can't use his FW!

Yes, I noticed that... did GW bother to playtest the new codex at all?

> The stats and Special Rules seem to favor the DP above all.
> There are other (minor) factors to consider, but that's the gist.
> Anyone care to champion the Lord or Sorcerer choices?

The only way I'd take a Lord is with Terminator Armour and a Powerfist. The
2+ save does help. Admittedly, the I1 sucks, so he won't start the fight,
but he will finish it. That many S8 attacks is the best option against the
really tough MC's... and one of my usual opponents is a 'Nid player who
likes really f'ing tough Carnifexes - extra wound, regeneration, 2+ save
armoured carapace, the works.
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