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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:55 pm
Post subject: GURPS as the first general or universal rpg
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:08 pm
Post subject: Re: GURPS as the first general or universal rpg [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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>Was GURPS the first general rpg or universal rpg?
No. The first was Basic Role-playing, from Chaosium.
The first *well-developed* "universal" rpg was probably Champions, from
Hero Games. Although it was designed for (and emphasised) superhero
games, the nature of your typical "superhero universe" requires a
universal treatment, since it has to be able to cover magic (of all
types), a vast array of science fiction concepts, modern-day
activities, historic recreations, time travel ... by the time you've
"finished" designing a superhero game, you've designed a whole bunch of
other genre games along the way. (This was explicitly acknowledged
later when Champions evolved into the "Hero System".
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:36 am
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:42 pm
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:31:14 -0400, Frank J. Perricone
<hawthorn.DeleteThis@foobox.com> wrote:
>On 13 Apr 2006 22:00:03 GMT, sNOmSPAMs.DeleteThis@sonic.net wrote:
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>> Dunno if it's relevant to gurpg's query, but Chaosium's BRP is a
>> simplification of the game-engine created for RuneQuest, which first
>> saw publication in 1978.
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>GURPS similarly derives from earlier systems.
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Specifically, Steve Jackson's The Fantasy Trip, published by
Metagaming. SJ originally wanted to update The Fantasy Trip, but
ended up having to design a new (though derivative) game when he
couldn't obtain the rights to TFT. GURPS itself was originally
published as a tactical combat system (with character design) called
Man to Man--it was sort of a prequel, with the release of the full
system planned from the very beginning.
Scott Orr
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:21 pm
Post subject: Re: GURPS as the first general or universal rpg [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Scott D. Orr wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:31:14 -0400, Frank J. Perricone
> <hawthorn DeleteThis @foobox.com> wrote:
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>>On 13 Apr 2006 22:00:03 GMT, sNOmSPAMs DeleteThis @sonic.net wrote:
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>>>Dunno if it's relevant to gurpg's query, but Chaosium's BRP is a
>>>simplification of the game-engine created for RuneQuest, which first
>>>saw publication in 1978.
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>>GURPS similarly derives from earlier systems.
>
> Specifically, Steve Jackson's The Fantasy Trip, published by
> Metagaming.
Which itself derived from the psuedo RPG's Melee and Wizard. >> Stay informed about: GURPS as the first general or universal rpg |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:33 pm
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:21:50 -0400, Ophidian <ophidian23.DeleteThis@cox.net>
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>Scott D. Orr wrote:
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>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:31:14 -0400, Frank J. Perricone
>> <hawthorn.DeleteThis@foobox.com> wrote:
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>>>On 13 Apr 2006 22:00:03 GMT, sNOmSPAMs.DeleteThis@sonic.net wrote:
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>>>>Dunno if it's relevant to gurpg's query, but Chaosium's BRP is a
>>>>simplification of the game-engine created for RuneQuest, which first
>>>>saw publication in 1978.
>>>
>>>GURPS similarly derives from earlier systems.
>>
>> Specifically, Steve Jackson's The Fantasy Trip, published by
>> Metagaming.
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>Which itself derived from the psuedo RPG's Melee and Wizard.
Weren't those actually parts of TFT?
Scott Orr
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:38 pm
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Scott D. Orr wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:21:50 -0400, Ophidian <ophidian23.TakeThisOut@cox.net>
> wrote:
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>>Scott D. Orr wrote:
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>>>On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:31:14 -0400, Frank J. Perricone
>>><hawthorn.TakeThisOut@foobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 13 Apr 2006 22:00:03 GMT, sNOmSPAMs.TakeThisOut@sonic.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dunno if it's relevant to gurpg's query, but Chaosium's BRP is a
>>>>>simplification of the game-engine created for RuneQuest, which first
>>>>>saw publication in 1978.
>>>>
>>>>GURPS similarly derives from earlier systems.
>>>
>>>Specifically, Steve Jackson's The Fantasy Trip, published by
>>>Metagaming.
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>>Which itself derived from the psuedo RPG's Melee and Wizard.
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> Weren't those actually parts of TFT?
TFT had a book called Melee and a book called Wizard.
But the names were originally used for two mini-games. >> Stay informed about: GURPS as the first general or universal rpg |
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