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Since: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:13 pm
Post subject: Flying with a VOR Archived from groups: alt>games>microsoft>flight-sim (more info?)
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| If you fly to an airport being guided by a VOR, at what point do you ignore
the VOR and just fly visually? Is there any rule of thumb? Where is the VOR
relative to an airport? Is there any standard place relative to runways and
airports where the VOR is placed?
Thanks in advance.
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Since: Apr 06, 2005 Posts: 228
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:47 pm
Post subject: Re: Flying with a VOR [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Saul,
It depends on whether you are flying under VFR or IFR rules. Let's
assume that you are flying VFR. Now it depends on whether you are flying
into an airfield that is in controlled airspace or uncontrolled airspace.
Let's assume that you are flying VFR into a field that is in Class C
controlled airspace. Class C airspace usually exists out to a radius of 10
nm from the controlling airfield. Before entering Class C airspace, you must
contact that airspace approach control and receive clearance to enter their
airspace. Once you have been cleared to enter the Class C airspace, you
pretty much have to follow approach controls instructions as to what vectors
to fly, until you are eventually handed off to the control tower. The tower
will then give you your landing instructions which you must follow. This is
slightly different depending on what airspace you enter, but basically once
you are inside controlled airspace, you pretty much have to follow whatever
instructions that ATC gives you, and you may not be able to fly the VOR
anymore.
If you are flying into an uncontrolled airfield in Class G airspace,
then there are a standard set of procedures that you are supposed to follow.
You are supposed to enter the downwind traffic pattern at midfield from a
45-degree angle, unless you specifically announce something different. You
also need to monitor the airfields CTAF frequency, and self-announce your
position, intentions, and each leg of your traffic pattern. But up until you
begin to set up your approach, you can continue to fly the VOR.
Sometimes VOR's are co-located on an airfield (if your lucky), but as
far as I know there is no "standard" place for them to be located on the
field.
If you are flying into an unfamiliar airport, it is always a good idea
to look up as much information about that field as possible. You can find
information pertinent to that airport in a current "Airport Facilities
Directory" (AFD) and you can also find information concerning an airport on
a Sectional Aeronautical Chart. These sources will specifically detail
exactly where the VOR is located in relation to the airfield. I hope this
helps...
Randy L.
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"When making an emergency off-field landing at night, turn
on the landing lights just prior to touchdown. If you don't
like what you see, then turn off the landing lights."
"Saul Cohen" <sjcohen.RemoveThis@cableone.net> wrote in message
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> If you fly to an airport being guided by a VOR, at what point do you
> ignore the VOR and just fly visually? Is there any rule of thumb? Where
> is the VOR relative to an airport? Is there any standard place relative
> to runways and airports where the VOR is placed?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> >> Stay informed about: Flying with a VOR |
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Since: Apr 01, 2006 Posts: 49
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Flying with a VOR [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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I'm such an FS newbie, and not a real pilot, that I've not done that yet,
but here's what I'd presume. Let's say that the VOR is between you and the
airport (instead of the airport being between the VOR and you. So, then I'd
fly the radial TO the VOR and then follow the radial FROM the VOR that
crosses the airport. Not time or fuel efficient, but does it not get you
there?
(If the VOR is the other side, then couldn't one just intercept a radial
that crossed the airport and fly TO along it?
Can anyone recommend any easy to read sources that explain these things,
like maybe "IFR for Dummies" or somesuch?
"Saul Cohen" <sjcohen.RemoveThis@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:123gntqi9p1mka2@corp.supernews.com...
> If you fly to an airport being guided by a VOR, at what point do you
> ignore the VOR and just fly visually? Is there any rule of thumb? Where
> is the VOR relative to an airport? Is there any standard place relative
> to runways and airports where the VOR is placed?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> >> Stay informed about: Flying with a VOR |
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Since: Mar 01, 2005 Posts: 178
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Flying with a VOR [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hi Saul;
Assuming a non AP situation;
when tracking inbound to a VOR, don't chase the needle. Find the HEADING
that centers the needle and keeps it there, then FLY THAT HEADING. This will
compensate for the wind correction angle.
Monitor the CDI. If it moves off center correct again and adjust the heading
accordingly, then hold that new heading. When you have the heading nailed
that will keep the CDI on the VOR centered, fly that heading inbound. As you
get very close to the station, the CDI will start wandering off center. FLY
THE HEADING and NOT the CDI in close. You will get a reversal on the to/from
arrow at station crossing.
DME makes it easier for you
Dudley Henriques
"Saul Cohen" <sjcohen.TakeThisOut@cableone.net> wrote in message
news:123gntqi9p1mka2@corp.supernews.com...
> If you fly to an airport being guided by a VOR, at what point do you
> ignore the VOR and just fly visually? Is there any rule of thumb? Where
> is the VOR relative to an airport? Is there any standard place relative
> to runways and airports where the VOR is placed?
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> Thanks in advance.
> >> Stay informed about: Flying with a VOR |
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Since: Mar 19, 2005 Posts: 444
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:55 pm
Post subject: Re: Flying with a VOR [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Saul Cohen" <sjcohen.RemoveThis@cableone.net> wrote in
news:123gntqi9p1mka2@corp.supernews.com:
> If you fly to an airport being guided by a VOR, at what point do you
> ignore the VOR and just fly visually? Is there any rule of thumb?
> Where is the VOR relative to an airport? Is there any standard place
> relative to runways and airports where the VOR is placed?
this is my understanding (not a pilot, so will take any corrections  )
Are you flying an IFR flight plan? If so, you can request a visual
approach from ATC if the weather meets VFR minima. If you can't or don't
want to fly a visual approach, then you request the VOR approach from ATC,
and fly it as published until established on the final approach. When
runway is in sight I believe you can transition to visual. Note that
many VOR type approaches are circling approaches. The approach ensures
terrain clearance until you get close enough to allow circling and aquiring
the runway visually.
scott s.
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Since: Feb 05, 2006 Posts: 680
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:38 pm
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"scott s." <75270_3703a.DeleteThis@csi.xcom> wrote:
> When
> runway is in sight I believe you can transition to visual.
In the US, a visual approach can be granted by ATC if you have preceding
traffic in sight, rather than the airport.
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Since: Mar 19, 2005 Posts: 444
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:55 pm
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Beech45Whiskey <pjricc RemoveThis @ZZgmail.com> wrote in news:1svxw9vjawmx6$.dlg@ID-
259643.user.individual.net:
> "scott s." <75270_3703a RemoveThis @csi.xcom> wrote:
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>> When
>> runway is in sight I believe you can transition to visual.
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> In the US, a visual approach can be granted by ATC if you have preceding
> traffic in sight, rather than the airport.
I didn't mean "visual approach", rather complete the approach using
visual cues vice the instruments.
scott s.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:17 am
Post subject: Re: Flying with a VOR [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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| Saul Cohen wrote: |
If you fly to an airport being guided by a VOR, at what point do you ignore
the VOR and just fly visually? Is there any rule of thumb? Where is the VOR
relative to an airport? Is there any standard place relative to runways and
airports where the VOR is placed?
Thanks in advance. |
You should consult the approach chart for that airport. Usally the there will be a radial heading inticated either to or from the VOR to the airport
Lucky
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