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> It's the fanboys who think they're more 'informed' or
> automatically right because they only see the good bits who always get up
> me.

I guess that shaving in the morning must be a difficult endeavour for you
^__^
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"Justisaur" <justisaur.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I don't understand the
> excitement to begin with, Duke Nukem was an descent FPS at the time,
> nothing particularly special other than it had some pixelated pole
> dancers in it.

Duke Nukem was originally a serious game on the back of iDs games of that
era, but they quickly became a parody of themselves.

The games were awful. Shallow & vacuous. Not particularly good looking
either.

The reason for the delay is because the devs know that the game will bomb
unless they can come up with a gimmick. If the game ever reaches market, it
will only sell on the back of the farce that was it's 10 year development
cycle.
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, noman wrote:

> Now, assuming that you are talking about STALKER's features that were
> earlier hyped up and never showed up in the final release. Your point is
> probably that the same can happen to any game. Only in this case it's
> not the same. GSC developers' promises for STALKER were done three or
> four years before the release of the game. In the year before it came
> out, the hype was gone, the developers had come out talking about

The more strange then that the community was able to restore most of those
hyped features in such a short time because they obviously where still in
the game files but the developers just couldn't finish them for whatever
reason, which is similar to a lot of stuff I restored for Bloodlines. What
I wanted to say is that hyping stuff that you don't deliver in the end
isn't helping your product and is pissing people like Nostromo off too!

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On Aug 9, 4:19 pm, Nostromo <nos... DeleteThis @forme.org> wrote:
> Thus spake Leo <Anonym... DeleteThis @anonymous.com>, Sat, 09 Aug 2008 04:20:30 -0700,
> Anno Domini:
>
> >>In my more cynical moments I wonder if Nostromo could be a paid viral
> >>marketer flacking FO3. While his own comments are strongly negative,
> >>they result in a lot of FO3 discussion which raises public awareness
> >>of the game. Looking at this group right now, there are many more
> >>posts in the FO3 threads than in all the non-FO3 threads combined.
> >>That's a lot of mindshare for a game that isn't even out yet. Pretty
> >>effective marketing technique, really. Well done, Nostromo. Hope you
> >>enjoy your paycheck from Bethesda; you're earning it. B-)
>
> > For a while there, this group was getting hardly any posts at
> >all. Now, however, thanks to nos, look at all this wonderful
> >activity. => Kudos to nos. => What fun would it be to have a group
> >w/a bunch of people agreeing w/each other? Bring it on, bring it on!
>
> "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of
> bubble gum!" >8^D

Now name the movie and actor that's from. No cheating!

>
> Glad to have served at least in some capacity, even if I get a bit heated &
> irrational at times. It's the fanboys who think they're more 'informed' or
> automatically right because they only see the good bits who always get up
> me. You can be emotional/irrational about a topic & STILL be right in the
> end, which is what they can't see with their blinkers on. Who ever heard of
> an adult, rational flamefest anyway?
>

Verily. They do seem to be getting more rational and adult around
here. It must be the maturing writers.

> Nostromo..."I eat FO3 fanboys for breakfast!"

I prefer grape nuts flakes.

- Justisaur

That's like pouring perfume on a pig
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:30:07 +0200, Werner Spahl
<spahl.DeleteThis@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, noman wrote:
>
>> Now, assuming that you are talking about STALKER's features that were
>> earlier hyped up and never showed up in the final release. Your point is
>> probably that the same can happen to any game. Only in this case it's
>> not the same. GSC developers' promises for STALKER were done three or
>> four years before the release of the game. In the year before it came
>> out, the hype was gone, the developers had come out talking about
>
>The more strange then that the community was able to restore most of those
>hyped features in such a short time because they obviously where still in
>the game files but the developers just couldn't finish them for whatever
>reason, which is similar to a lot of stuff I restored for Bloodlines. What
>I wanted to say is that hyping stuff that you don't deliver in the end
>isn't helping your product and is pissing people like Nostromo off too!

Werner,

Please drop your skirts. Your prejudices are still showing. STALKER
without any mods (but with the patches, now thru 1.0005) is a great
game. well worth the (original) entry price. Just not your "cup of
tea".

As for Nostromo, he seems to be stuck in the mud of cRPG yesteryear.
I fully appreciate the virtues of FO1 and FO2 ( I own them both ), but

their implementation short-comings ( due to the physical limitations
of the available PCs and still-present bugs even after all patches )
are very painfully obvious. Time for a makeover of the genre. If it
ends up being a hybrid of first/third person and classic stat-RPG, so
be it. But not making any moves to update the style and substance
of the single-player cRPG is just plain stupid. If Nostromo really
wants to make a Fallout clone in the original style, there are lots of
PC graphical game-kits out there that would now make that pretty easy
given modern computer-hardware. Go for it, Nostromo !!

John Lewis
>
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In article <2a521441-1802-4603-b2d4-27829546c03b DeleteThis @s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Justisaur <justisaur DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of
>> bubble gum!" >8^D
>
>Now name the movie and actor that's from. No cheating!

John Carpenter's THEY LIVE, starring Roddy Piper. Brilliant idea, too
bad the budget ran out at the end.

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CJM typed:
> Duke Nukem was originally a serious game on the back of iDs games
> of that era, but they quickly became a parody of themselves.

Matt v3.3 <ask.for.my.address.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>What was that side-scrolling/platformer Duke Nukem a few years back?
>I never played it but remember looking at screenshots/reviews at the
>time and thinking it looked pretty neat.

The first two Duke Nukem games were 2D platform games, but I think
you're refering to the more recent Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project, a 3D
side-scrolling platform game.

Ross Ridge

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Werner Spahl wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, noman wrote:
>
>> Now, assuming that you are talking about STALKER's features that were
>> earlier hyped up and never showed up in the final release. Your point
>> is probably that the same can happen to any game. Only in this case
>> it's not the same. GSC developers' promises for STALKER were done
>> three or four years before the release of the game. In the year before
>> it came out, the hype was gone, the developers had come out talking about
>
> The more strange then that the community was able to restore most of
> those hyped features in such a short time because they obviously where
> still in the game files but the developers just couldn't finish them for
> whatever reason, which is similar to a lot of stuff I restored for
> Bloodlines. What I wanted to say is that hyping stuff that you don't
> deliver in the end isn't helping your product and is pissing people like
> Nostromo off too!

I'm pissed off to start with most days Werner!
(not any more now that I've moved to the country - might calm down a bit
if I don't start my day with road rage

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:08:47 +1000, Nostromo <nostromo DeleteThis @nospam.org>
blabbed:

>I'm pissed off to start with most days Werner!
>(not any more now that I've moved to the country - might calm down a bit
>if I don't start my day with road rage

"movin' to the country, gonna eat a lot of peaches. Movin' to
the countreeee, gonna eat a lot of peaches. Peaches come in a can,
they were put there by a man, in a factory down tooooown".

Leo
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, John Lewis wrote:

> Please drop your skirts. Your prejudices are still showing. STALKER
> without any mods (but with the patches, now thru 1.0005) is a great
> game. well worth the (original) entry price. Just not your "cup of tea".

Granted and I don't think I ever claimed differently. But in my opinion it
was hyped to be a great FPS/RPG hybrid and it turned out to be a tactical
shooter with quests. So I hoped for the former and got the latter ...

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:20:53 -0500, khaight RemoveThis @lefDELETEtistME.org (Kyle
Haight) wrote:

>In article <a146e037-23dc-4fbc-929c-2a8721377d86 RemoveThis @d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>Wolfing <wolfing1 RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So did you get the PS3 for the Bluray?
>
>Not yet, but I expect I will. From what little research I've done,
>I gather the PS3 is actually one of the better Bluray players on the
>market, and with the HDTV I do want a Bluray player at some point.
>I'll probably buy a low-end PS3, though, since I have yet to find a
>PS3-exclusive game that I really want to play and I already have a PS2
>so I don't need backwards-compatibility for older games.

PS3 does upscale PS2 games to 1080P, and the difference is noticeable
especially on latest HDTVs. Although, that's also because most HDTVs
don't show a great picture (partly because of their size, for 36"+
screens) for standard definition. The upscaling in PS3 (whether for
DVDs or PS2 games) looks quite good.

The 80GB version in US (Motorstorm pack or lately MGS4 pack) has great
backward compatibility. A lot of people don't know that, because Sony
removed certain hardware components from 60GB/20GB version which
affected the BC in the beginning. But that was last year, and Sony
kept releasing firmware updates that brought 80GB BC to 98-99% level.
I have FFX, FFX-2, FFXII, God of War 1,2, Ico, Shadow of Colossus, MGS
series and they all run great on the 80GB PS3.

Besides 1080P, the other advantage over PS2 is that PS3 can emulate
memory card for both PS1 and PS2 games. So, if you want to try Metal
Gear Solid 1 (from MGS Essential Collection) on PS2, you 'll have to
hunt down a PS1 memory card, whereas PS3 can emaulate it on its
hard-disk.

Finally, I have heard that the new cheaper 80GB PS3 that might come
out in few months will not have BC. It'll basically be just like the
current 40GB version, with a bigger hard-disk. So it'll have no
MemoryStick/SD-Card/CF reading capability and two USB slots instead of
four.

That's probably one of the reason why in US the 80GB PS3 with BC are
selling for a lot more these days.
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:30:07 +0200, Werner Spahl
<spahl.TakeThisOut@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, noman wrote:
>
>> Now, assuming that you are talking about STALKER's features that were
>> earlier hyped up and never showed up in the final release. Your point is
>> probably that the same can happen to any game. Only in this case it's
>> not the same. GSC developers' promises for STALKER were done three or
>> four years before the release of the game. In the year before it came
>> out, the hype was gone, the developers had come out talking about
>
>The more strange then that the community was able to restore most of those
>hyped features in such a short time because they obviously where still in
>the game files but the developers just couldn't finish them for whatever
>reason, which is similar to a lot of stuff I restored for Bloodlines.

And again this is something we have gone over in the csipga newsgroup.
Most of the gameplay mods in STALKER show exactly why these things
were left out in the first place. The maps are awfully small for
vehicles for instance. The NPCs with personal agenda also don't work
well. If you read any STALKER Clear Sky preview, you'll see what went
wrong in their initial plans and how they addressed it for the
prequel.

>What
>I wanted to say is that hyping stuff that you don't deliver in the end
>isn't helping your product and is pissing people like Nostromo off too!

And as I said before, this has no relevance to Fallout3 discussion,
because some of the STALKER's features were dropped years before the
release (and were mentioned in the previews) and it came out with
minimal hype.

Fallout3 is supposedly coming out in two or three months and people
have already played it for five to six hour sessions.
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 09:19:36 +1000, Nostromo <nospam.RemoveThis@forme.org> wrote:

>Nostromo..."I eat FO3 fanboys for breakfast!"

With the money you save on the cereal, you can actually buy the game
this time rather than pirating it and then giving up after 20+ hours
claiming the developers should be sued for your lost time.
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