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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Nostromo wrote:

> Keep clutchin at giant straws & playin the man boys. Pretty soon when
> FO3 spills its guts onto the market you'll be left holding yer own dicks

It's actually a little bit sad to see lots of regulars getting agitated
about a game that isn't even released yet. Nobody can really know right
now how good FO3 is going to be, but I can understand that Nostromo is
getting a bit annoyed because to me it seems like more pre-release hype
through the media too. And I remember like this turned out for STALKER.

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On Aug 8, 10:58 am, Werner Spahl <sp....RemoveThis@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, John Lewis wrote:
> > STALKER is a very fine game.. especially after the patches removed the
> > most significant annoyances. It just does not appeal to you.
>
> That's one point, but another is that the developers promised ~ hyped a
> lot of features they couldn't deliver, which were easily added by the mod
> community, while the developers already continued to the next project.
>
> > And the hype before actual release was pretty muted, since the promised
> > release date was slipped several times.
>
> That may have been but nevertheless the hype over all these years was a
> lot because of the delay. I bet Duke Nuke Forever will never be able to
> satisfy the expectations people build up for it over even more time .

What, people have expectations for Duke Nuke(m) Forever?

My only expectation of it is to be Vaporware of the Year until George
Broussard dies of old age or embarrassment. I don't understand the
excitement to begin with, Duke Nukem was an descent FPS at the time,
nothing particularly special other than it had some pixelated pole
dancers in it.

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On Aug 8, 11:20 am, noman <no_m....TakeThisOut@zzzyahoo.yycom> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:39:07 +0200, Werner Spahl
>
> <sp....TakeThisOut@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:
> >It's actually a little bit sad to see lots of regulars getting agitated
> >about a game that isn't even released yet. Nobody can really know right
> >now how good FO3 is going to be, but I can understand that Nostromo is
> >getting a bit annoyed because to me it seems like more pre-release hype
> >through the media too. And I remember like this turned out for STALKER.
>
> First of all, STALKER is a great game. If you don't agree, that's ok
> but don't show surprise that others like it (probably more than
> Vampire Bloodlines). We have had enough discussion on this in the
> csipga newsgroup.

I don't remember anyone saying it was better than Bloodlines. I
certainly wouldn't say so now. I was wowed, blinded even, by it's
graphics and atmosphere to start, but it quickly wore thin.

> Now, assuming that you are talking about STALKER's features that were
> earlier hyped up and never showed up in the final release. Your point
> is probably that the same can happen to any game. Only in this case
> it's not the same. GSC developers' promises for STALKER were done
> three or four years before the release of the game. In the year before
> it came out, the hype was gone, the developers had come out talking
> about certain aspects of gameplay that were scaled back and all the
> previews (and later, reviews) mentioned that.
>
> It was still an awesome game and it sold extremely well.

It was a short little interesting game, awesome only in the awe sense,
and only until I came to my senses. I hadn't realized it sold that
well. It's no fallout by any stretch of the imagination though.

- Justisaur
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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:39:07 +0200, Werner Spahl
<spahl.RemoveThis@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote:

>On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Nostromo wrote:
>
>> Keep clutchin at giant straws & playin the man boys. Pretty soon when
>> FO3 spills its guts onto the market you'll be left holding yer own dicks
>
>It's actually a little bit sad to see lots of regulars getting agitated
>about a game that isn't even released yet. Nobody can really know right
>now how good FO3 is going to be, but I can understand that Nostromo is
>getting a bit annoyed because to me it seems like more pre-release hype
>through the media too. And I remember like this turned out for STALKER.

STALKER is a very fine game.. especially after the patches removed the
most significant annoyances. It just does not appeal to you. And the
hype before actual release was pretty muted, since the promised
release date was slipped several times.

John Lewis

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> Please, please keep on playing "real games" after Fallout 3 is
> shipped.Since you obviously have no intention of buying FO3, then
> please refrain from commenting here on a "torrented" version.
> Cheap-skate pirates are not appreciated on this forum.

You are too optimistic: Nostromo still has the fallback strategy of "I
played Fallout 3 after ... er... BORROWING! Yes, borrowing it from... uh...
a friend! And (blah blah...)" I wouldn't bet my money on him to shut up
after the game is released.
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In article <a146e037-23dc-4fbc-929c-2a8721377d86.DeleteThis@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Wolfing <wolfing1.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>So did you get the PS3 for the Bluray?

Not yet, but I expect I will. From what little research I've done,
I gather the PS3 is actually one of the better Bluray players on the
market, and with the HDTV I do want a Bluray player at some point.
I'll probably buy a low-end PS3, though, since I have yet to find a
PS3-exclusive game that I really want to play and I already have a PS2
so I don't need backwards-compatibility for older games.

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On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, John Lewis wrote:

> STALKER is a very fine game.. especially after the patches removed the
> most significant annoyances. It just does not appeal to you.

That's one point, but another is that the developers promised ~ hyped a
lot of features they couldn't deliver, which were easily added by the mod
community, while the developers already continued to the next project.

> And the hype before actual release was pretty muted, since the promised
> release date was slipped several times.

That may have been but nevertheless the hype over all these years was a
lot because of the delay. I bet Duke Nuke Forever will never be able to
satisfy the expectations people build up for it over even more time .

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John Lewis wrote:
>
> Bethesda is revamping the mechanics of the game for a wider audience.

Ah, but you see that's the rub right there. In order for Bethesda to do
that they have to _drop_ many features and aspects of the game that a lot of
us LIKED and feel are part of the core of the Fallout game series.

Think of it this way, would a chess master still consider the game to be
"chess" if both players were to move their pieces simultaneously with who
ever could move the most pieces the fastest having an edge?

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On Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:33:14 -0500, khaight DeleteThis @lefDELETEtistME.org (Kyle
Haight) wrote:

>
>In my more cynical moments I wonder if Nostromo could be a paid viral
>marketer flacking FO3. While his own comments are strongly negative,
>they result in a lot of FO3 discussion which raises public awareness
>of the game. Looking at this group right now, there are many more
>posts in the FO3 threads than in all the non-FO3 threads combined.
>That's a lot of mindshare for a game that isn't even out yet. Pretty
>effective marketing technique, really. Well done, Nostromo. Hope you
>enjoy your paycheck from Bethesda; you're earning it. B-)
>

ROTFLMAO...............

John Lewis

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Leo typed:
> For a while there, this group was getting hardly any posts at all.
> Now, however, thanks to nos, look at all this wonderful activity. =>
> Kudos to nos. => What fun would it be to have a group w/a bunch of
> people agreeing w/each other? Bring it on, bring it on!

I disagree. I think it might be fun if people would agree with
Nos.

> Leo
> P.S. You're all big mouse!

Eh? You talking about them rats in Fallout?

- Nos could very well be a cranium rat from Planescape (LOL!) -
they cast spells on you, read minds and such. I underestimated
them at first, next thing I knew I was waking up in a mortuary!
Think about that. ;-P


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Matt v3.3 wrote:
> Leo typed:
>> For a while there, this group was getting hardly any posts at all.
>> Now, however, thanks to nos, look at all this wonderful activity. =>
>> Kudos to nos. => What fun would it be to have a group w/a bunch of
>> people agreeing w/each other? Bring it on, bring it on!
>
> I disagree. I think it might be fun if people would agree with
> Nos.
>
>> Leo
>> P.S. You're all big mouse!
>
> Eh? You talking about them rats in Fallout?
>
> - Nos could very well be a cranium rat from Planescape (LOL!) -
> they cast spells on you, read minds and such. I underestimated
> them at first, next thing I knew I was waking up in a mortuary!
> Think about that. ;-P

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic/msg/a5c...66221ea

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Victor Velazquez wrote:
> Matt v3.3 wrote:
>> Leo typed:
>>> For a while there, this group was getting hardly any posts at all.
>>> Now, however, thanks to nos, look at all this wonderful activity. =>
>>> Kudos to nos. => What fun would it be to have a group w/a bunch of
>>> people agreeing w/each other? Bring it on, bring it on!
>>
>> I disagree. I think it might be fun if people would agree with
>> Nos.
>>
>>> Leo
>>> P.S. You're all big mouse!
>>
>> Eh? You talking about them rats in Fallout?
>>
>> - Nos could very well be a cranium rat from Planescape (LOL!) -
>> they cast spells on you, read minds and such. I underestimated
>> them at first, next thing I knew I was waking up in a mortuary!
>> Think about that. ;-P
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic/msg/a5c...66221ea
>
> Enjoy!

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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:16:49 -0700, "Dimensional Traveler"
<dtravel.RemoveThis@sonic.net> wrote:

>John Lewis wrote:
>>
>> Bethesda is revamping the mechanics of the game for a wider audience.
>
>Ah, but you see that's the rub right there. In order for Bethesda to do
>that they have to _drop_ many features and aspects of the game that a lot of
>us LIKED and feel are part of the core of the Fallout game series.

Mmmm... a very good point. I woinder how many purchasers (like me) of
the original Fallouts would like FO3 to have game mechanics identical
to FO1 and FO2? Not many at all.... imho.... Count me amongst the
nay-sayers.
>
>Think of it this way, would a chess master still consider the game to be
>"chess" if both players were to move their pieces simultaneously with who
>ever could move the most pieces the fastest having an edge?
>

I would like some realism and immersion in the action part of my
computer-games these days... cRPG or not............ Exclusively
turn-based was acceptable in the old days of transitioning from
board-games to the computer versions of these games. Nowadays there
is no excuse for not offering the cRPG player the same sort of freedom
as the action-player... Bethesda is apparently trying to preserve as
much of the turn-based paradigm as makes sense in a first/third-person

game. I applaud them for attempting to bring cRPGs along with modern
computer technology. I also applaud CD Projekt for attempting to do
something in the same vein with a cRPG but with a totally different
style with "the Witcher.

John Lewis
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