Falcon 4 Mods V Falcon 4 Allied Force

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 12:53:07 -0600, C3PO wrote:

>Yes, you can do just that with Allied Force. You can create new
>packages manually within the Air Tasking Order too to prosecute an
>attack more effectively. Add a flight of F-15s in a TARCAP, or perhaps
>bring in and additional SEAD Strike comprising BLK 50s or Super Hornets
>with additional ordnance. Those packages can be specifically times to
>reach the target whenever you wish, under this manual arrangement.

.... except that quite often (in F4 or AF), the AI refuse to obey
commands - don't drop their ordnance, or circle the target on
afterburner! Anyway - you can't program individual *wingmen* like you
could in Tornado (remember the split/rejoin commands?).

This isn't a dig at AFin general (I like it) - it's just that, with
the AI, you're never quite sure what they're going to do. Or is this
the "fog of war"? LOL.

They're not called "wingnuts" for nothing!

Adamski.
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:30:03 -0600, C3PO wrote:

>You can direct your wingman to split / breakoff or whatever ... and
>also the second element of the flight, if you are the flight lead.

Agreed .. *in-flight* ... but the venerable Tornado allowed to to
program that into the waypoints.

As far as I remember, this was similar to the way the RAF used to plan
missions - so much so that (I think) they even used the mission
planner as a training tool.

I appreciate programming AI in a battlefield simulation must be a
nightmare - but this sort of thing could be just an extension to the
waypoints system in the campaign/mission editor <??>.

As we haven't got a flyable Tornado in AF, I suspect this is a moot
point ((

Adamski.

P.S. Tornado ... go on .. you can do it! You'd make a fair few
OLD-timers very happy LOL.
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anon DeleteThis @nowhere.com (Adamski) wrote:

> I appreciate programming AI in a battlefield simulation must
> be a nightmare

One of the things I've asked for before in the LOMAC forums is the
ability to force AI to do something, irrespective of threat. That way
you can, for example, have a ground attacking aircraft and a defending
wingman. The attacker ignores all radar spikes from waypoint (X-1) while
his AI wingman will respond to any threats and defend him. At a
subsequent waypoint the attacker can revert to normal behaviour, but he
has to trust his wingie and concentrate on doing his main job.

Obviously it's a lot easier to talk about than to program.

Andrew McP
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I was here when the same type of stupidity drove Andy Hollis away, now
THAT dates me...

GR.


>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:19:56 -0600, "Jay Williams" <voodoo141bugoff RemoveThis @spamcox.net> wrote:
>I agree...
>
>Wyle is just demonstrating again the self destructiveness of the average
>flight simmer... It isn't enough to simply decide not to buy a game (or
>express dissapointment, warn off other potential buyers, etc.) You have to
>harp on it so much that it discourages the developers from ever wasting
>their time again...
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I was here then too, albeit under a different moniker

"GaryR" <GaryR.DeleteThis@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
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>I was here when the same type of stupidity drove Andy Hollis away, now
> THAT dates me...
>
> GR.
>
>
>>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:19:56 -0600, "Jay Williams"
>><voodoo141bugoff.DeleteThis@spamcox.net> wrote:
>>I agree...
>>
>>Wyle is just demonstrating again the self destructiveness of the average
>>flight simmer... It isn't enough to simply decide not to buy a game (or
>>express dissapointment, warn off other potential buyers, etc.) You have
>>to
>>harp on it so much that it discourages the developers from ever wasting
>>their time again...
>
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Now that I have the hang of using my killfilter again i'm starting to
really enjoy it!!

Have a good life Mitch and JP, say hi to Coyote man for me!
LOL

>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:49 -0600, "Jay Williams" <voodoo141bugoff RemoveThis @spamcox.net> wrote:
>Hell yes, I'd prefer to upgrade my older Caravan to have "stow and go" by
>paying a nominal fee and downloading a patch...
>
>How about upgrading my coax input TV to RCA without buying new one (hows
>that for dating it?) or better yet, can I just download a patch and change
>it to widescreen HD??? I'd have loved to pay about what it cost originally
>for that one (instead of the 2 grand I paid for the large screen HD TV I
>bought about 6 months ago)
>
>I was around when Falcon 3.0 was going through the update dance... as long
>as the patches keep coming, I'm ok... Have you ever tried programming
>something? It's not that uncommon to have a fix to one subroutine screw
>something else up.
>
>Can you send a quick email to your car manufactuer and have him consider
>that as a new option you can pick up for free and install in six months?
>
>Thanks for an analogy that proves my point.
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Ah, another loser who somehow makes himself feel better by *telling*
someone he's killfiled them, expecting them to somehow be bothered by it.

Gee Gary, sniff, I'm shattered. <best Scarlet O'Hara voice> "But Gary,
what will I do, where will I go ?"


"GaryR" <GaryR.DeleteThis@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
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> Now that I have the hang of using my killfilter again i'm starting to
> really enjoy it!!
>
> Have a good life Mitch and JP, say hi to Coyote man for me!
> LOL
>
> >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:49 -0600, "Jay Williams"
<voodoo141bugoff.DeleteThis@spamcox.net> wrote:
> >Hell yes, I'd prefer to upgrade my older Caravan to have "stow and go" by
> >paying a nominal fee and downloading a patch...
> >
> >How about upgrading my coax input TV to RCA without buying new one (hows
> >that for dating it?) or better yet, can I just download a patch and
change
> >it to widescreen HD??? I'd have loved to pay about what it cost
originally
> >for that one (instead of the 2 grand I paid for the large screen HD TV I
> >bought about 6 months ago)
> >
> >I was around when Falcon 3.0 was going through the update dance... as
long
> >as the patches keep coming, I'm ok... Have you ever tried programming
> >something? It's not that uncommon to have a fix to one subroutine screw
> >something else up.
> >
> >Can you send a quick email to your car manufactuer and have him consider
> >that as a new option you can pick up for free and install in six months?
> >
> >Thanks for an analogy that proves my point.
>
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:14:57 -0600, "JP" <nicetry RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:


He's just one more "hanger on"



> Ah, another loser who somehow makes himself feel better by *telling*
>someone he's killfiled them, expecting them to somehow be bothered by it.
>
> Gee Gary, sniff, I'm shattered. <best Scarlet O'Hara voice> "But Gary,
>what will I do, where will I go ?"
>
>
>"GaryR" <GaryR RemoveThis @nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>news:2thj12h3m1f7dehdumna4e58htdcn4c8m8@4ax.com...
>> Now that I have the hang of using my killfilter again i'm starting to
>> really enjoy it!!
>>
>> Have a good life Mitch and JP, say hi to Coyote man for me!
>> LOL
>>
>> >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:49 -0600, "Jay Williams"
><voodoo141bugoff RemoveThis @spamcox.net> wrote:
>> >Hell yes, I'd prefer to upgrade my older Caravan to have "stow and go" by
>> >paying a nominal fee and downloading a patch...
>> >
>> >How about upgrading my coax input TV to RCA without buying new one (hows
>> >that for dating it?) or better yet, can I just download a patch and
>change
>> >it to widescreen HD??? I'd have loved to pay about what it cost
>originally
>> >for that one (instead of the 2 grand I paid for the large screen HD TV I
>> >bought about 6 months ago)
>> >
>> >I was around when Falcon 3.0 was going through the update dance... as
>long
>> >as the patches keep coming, I'm ok... Have you ever tried programming
>> >something? It's not that uncommon to have a fix to one subroutine screw
>> >something else up.
>> >
>> >Can you send a quick email to your car manufactuer and have him consider
>> >that as a new option you can pick up for free and install in six months?
>> >
>> >Thanks for an analogy that proves my point.
>>
>
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LOL. A name calling, Caravan driving Lawyer??? Hmmmm. I need to dig out
my waders, the bullshit is getting deeper with each sentence. To maintain
the guise perhaps you should be more careful.

Mitch

"Jay Williams" <voodoo141bugoff.TakeThisOut@spamcox.net> spewed on himself
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"Jay Williams" <voodoo141bugoff.TakeThisOut@spamcox.net> wrote in message
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>I was here then too, albeit under a different moniker
>
> "GaryR" <GaryR.TakeThisOut@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
> news:jp0j12lmrhipnlcnf7pjka0ntpa4nmdkf1@4ax.com...
>>I was here when the same type of stupidity drove Andy Hollis away, now
>> THAT dates me...
>>
>> GR.
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:19:56 -0600, "Jay Williams"
>>><voodoo141bugoff.TakeThisOut@spamcox.net> wrote:
>>>I agree...
>>>
>>>Wyle is just demonstrating again the self destructiveness of the average
>>>flight simmer... It isn't enough to simply decide not to buy a game (or
>>>express dissapointment, warn off other potential buyers, etc.) You have
>>>to
>>>harp on it so much that it discourages the developers from ever wasting
>>>their time again...
>>
>
>

DITTO for me too.
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"Jay Williams" <voodoo141bugoff DeleteThis @spamcox.net> wrote in message
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> Hell yes, I'd prefer to upgrade my older Caravan to have "stow and go" by
> paying a nominal fee and downloading a patch...
>

So how do you like your "Stow and go"???
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:14:57 -0600, "JP" <nicetry.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ah, another loser who somehow makes himself feel better by *telling*
>someone he's killfiled them, expecting them to somehow be bothered by it.
>
I'm a loser then
*PLONK*


> Gee Gary, sniff, I'm shattered. <best Scarlet O'Hara voice> "But Gary,
>what will I do, where will I go ?"
>
>
>"GaryR" <GaryR.RemoveThis@nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>news:2thj12h3m1f7dehdumna4e58htdcn4c8m8@4ax.com...
>> Now that I have the hang of using my killfilter again i'm starting to
>> really enjoy it!!
>>
>> Have a good life Mitch and JP, say hi to Coyote man for me!
>> LOL
>>
>> >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:49 -0600, "Jay Williams"
><voodoo141bugoff.RemoveThis@spamcox.net> wrote:
>> >Hell yes, I'd prefer to upgrade my older Caravan to have "stow and go" by
>> >paying a nominal fee and downloading a patch...
>> >
>> >How about upgrading my coax input TV to RCA without buying new one (hows
>> >that for dating it?) or better yet, can I just download a patch and
>change
>> >it to widescreen HD??? I'd have loved to pay about what it cost
>originally
>> >for that one (instead of the 2 grand I paid for the large screen HD TV I
>> >bought about 6 months ago)
>> >
>> >I was around when Falcon 3.0 was going through the update dance... as
>long
>> >as the patches keep coming, I'm ok... Have you ever tried programming
>> >something? It's not that uncommon to have a fix to one subroutine screw
>> >something else up.
>> >
>> >Can you send a quick email to your car manufactuer and have him consider
>> >that as a new option you can pick up for free and install in six months?
>> >
>> >Thanks for an analogy that proves my point.
>>
>
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On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:21:40 GMT, WyleCoyote RemoveThis @cactus.com wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 15:14:57 -0600, "JP" <nicetry RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>He's just one more "hanger on"

*FLUSH*
>
>
>
>> Ah, another loser who somehow makes himself feel better by *telling*
>>someone he's killfiled them, expecting them to somehow be bothered by it.
>>
>> Gee Gary, sniff, I'm shattered. <best Scarlet O'Hara voice> "But Gary,
>>what will I do, where will I go ?"
>>
>>
>>"GaryR" <GaryR RemoveThis @nospamforme.com> wrote in message
>>news:2thj12h3m1f7dehdumna4e58htdcn4c8m8@4ax.com...
>>> Now that I have the hang of using my killfilter again i'm starting to
>>> really enjoy it!!
>>>
>>> Have a good life Mitch and JP, say hi to Coyote man for me!
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:41:49 -0600, "Jay Williams"
>><voodoo141bugoff RemoveThis @spamcox.net> wrote:
>>> >Hell yes, I'd prefer to upgrade my older Caravan to have "stow and go" by
>>> >paying a nominal fee and downloading a patch...
>>> >
>>> >How about upgrading my coax input TV to RCA without buying new one (hows
>>> >that for dating it?) or better yet, can I just download a patch and
>>change
>>> >it to widescreen HD??? I'd have loved to pay about what it cost
>>originally
>>> >for that one (instead of the 2 grand I paid for the large screen HD TV I
>>> >bought about 6 months ago)
>>> >
>>> >I was around when Falcon 3.0 was going through the update dance... as
>>long
>>> >as the patches keep coming, I'm ok... Have you ever tried programming
>>> >something? It's not that uncommon to have a fix to one subroutine screw
>>> >something else up.
>>> >
>>> >Can you send a quick email to your car manufactuer and have him consider
>>> >that as a new option you can pick up for free and install in six months?
>>> >
>>> >Thanks for an analogy that proves my point.
>>>
>>
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