Falcon 4 Mods V Falcon 4 Allied Force

More so than the various 'realism' patches like SP4, FreeFalcon, etc?
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Thanks for the offer C3PO and it's very generous of you but I've
already paid for this game once. I don't really want to have to pay
again. It's just a shame that there isn't an upgrade deal for existing
owners. What I really want to know is what realism patch should I go
for? SP4, Free Falcon, BMS, etc, etc. It's really difficult to find out
which one should I go for and confusing too!
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Flying a plane is not an easy thing to do. Realistic flightsims are
even more difficult to handle because you have a limited sight (a two
dimensional and relatively small pc screen) and difficult ways of
mastering the cockpit (mouse and keybaord). A good flightstick is a
help, but still a real cockpit is far easier to handle. The crowds that
like flying and are willing to accept a steep learningcurve are quite
small. Which makes developement of a flighsim risky business. Only MSFS
sells in large quantities, but my guess is that many owners don't fly
much, but like the idea of posessing a flightsim. No wonder that the
community falls back on 'old' titles: there is little new on the
market: Lomac, IL2 series, F4 AF, that's about it.

About AF: compared with FreeFalcon and SP4.2 it has it's flaws and it's
advantages. A question of taste. But LP is working to get AF on top.
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On 8 Mar 2006 13:47:46 -0800, Wadeyboy wrote:

>Oh right. I had got the impression that AF is just a more stable
>version of the old Falcon 4 with some extra graphical tweaks to the
>existing graphics engine and with the notorious bugs removed No?
>Because if that is the case, then in my opinion it's just an update
>rather than a completly new product.

Time to crawl out of the woodwork! No matter what C3PO says (and we
should be glad he reads/posts here) I think that *to the end user* it
still looks more like an upgrade than a new product. Knowing that 99%
of the code behind it all has changed doesn't mean much if it still
looks like an old game - and still retains bugs from the original. If
it looks like F4 smells like F4 feels like F4 .. then it must *be* F4!

Trust me to always say the negative first ... now for the good bit:

It's maybe not so much about where the product (AF) is *now* - it's
more to do with where it may be *going*. For all the amazing add-ons
from the very talented community devs, I got the impression it was
eventually going nowhere: too many cooks.

I bought AF (like many others) not so much for what it was worth, but
to make some kind of a statement - a thank you to all the modders that
kept this sim alive all these years - and to provide a financial base
for a new company (LP) to take it further.

In my view, my AF install roughly balances out with my last BMS F4
version. Some things are better, some worse - some (sadly) the same. I
was lucky to have had a very stable BMS install, so all this stuff
about AF being more stable doesn't mean much to me - except to know
that future incarnations are based on more solid code.

At the end of the day, modded F4 had to come to and end. Whatever may
be produced by the [talented] community in the future must be - by
definition - a NEW product because of the legal issues. F4, *as we
know it*, can only be developed by LP. The King is dead - long live
the King!

Which brings me right back to the beginning ... I don't think AF *is*
a new product. Treat it as an UPDATE if you like, but the bottom line
is: *It's worth every penny/cent*. Flight sims are a really niche part
of the games market - they're not exactly cash cows.

Anyway - there's no other good jet sim around that doesn't come with
Starfarce

Adamski.
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On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:46:57 -0600, triptych
<piper.RemoveThis@thegatesofdawn.net> wrote:

>me@home.net wrote:
>
>
>> While I don't think F4AF is perfect it is IMO the deepest most
>> realistic sim out there today.
>
ok it seems realistic
>
>Please qualify that comment.
Its my opinion
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"A bit too close to the original". I thought the same, until I decided
to
install the original Falcon 4 updated to patch 1.08. Played it and then

played Falcon 4 Allied Force. HUGE difference, above and beyond the
CTD's. "

It IS the original F4 with some editing and patches. This is NOT a
brand new product.
A previous poster stated something about too many cooks in the
kitchen, and that became a problem for the original.
Alot of history behind who owns what, who made what, etc., etc.
Basically F4-AF is a slimmed down more vanilla regular F4. Except they
tried to make it actually work. Instead of having multiple parties
working on alot of different things, there is ONE group with the same
goal. (I think!? lol!)
Of COURSE there is a huge difference between AF and F4 patched 108. 108
was released what, 1999?
NOBODY flies it just patched 108. Since 108 there has been a miriad of
patches and upgrades, RP series, SP series, BMS, FF, plus
pits, skins, terrains, skies, objects, theatres, flight
characteristics, weapons, yada yada yada.
AF's stated main goal was stability. So they left out the pits,
terrains, flyable aircraft, theatres, and other goodies, until they
could make such goodies available from only their crew. There is much
more involved than what I know or can state, but they seem to have been
successful in their effort.
AF is now suffering from exactly the same things that the original went
thru after 108. "Can I fly other planes?" Are there any other pits
available?" "Any more theatres? I'm bored with Korea." "Where can I get
other skins?" "Hey, how come no JSOWS?" All the 'normal' things that we
all want in a sim.
But there is no standard in computers, platforms, and programs, so many
simmers had different setups, some not compatable with some of the
patches and upgrades, so patches that worked for that guy, might not
work for this guy. AF seems to be taking their time, and putting out
quality patches and upgrades as they can, but all from one source.
Meanwhile, the original F4 went in several different directions, I'm
sure, for several different reasons.
BUT!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thru all the patching madness that the original
F4'ers have gone thru through the years, a vast majority of them have
working, stable, installs that sort of put AF to shame.........at least
until they catch up in their patching! %^)

Personally, I am using F4 patched FF3+FF3.1 and have no gripes about
"stability." Many others have FF3+FF3.1+Cobra (whatever number!) and
also have no issues. And many others are using SP4 and BMS with no
problems.We all already know how to dance, and have experienced
"dancing" in many all day affairs!
I do not own AF. It does not include all the wonderful things that I
have already acquired thru patches thru the years.
A few examples:
Theatres:
AF: Korea, Balkans. (Any Others?)

F4/FF3/FF3.1: Korea, Korea2005, Balkans, ODS, Israeli, vietnam (Theres
more,but that's all I use.)

AF skins: F-16

F4/FF3/FF3.1: All the skins plus any you can make and find.

AF Fly any plane?: Nope.

F4/FF3/FF3.1 Fly any plane?: Darn near all of them. Darn near a pit for
all of them.

"But it's a F-16 only sim, you dummy!" So? Why? Because I can.

Not knockin AF thou. I believe that, if work manages to continue
unabated, can eventually surpass the current patches and upgrades alot
of us are using now. And for new simmers, who never experienced the
original, you will certainly go thru alot less madness than we did back
in 98. Right now, us originals, sit back and laugh a little at the
"new" guys as you learn to "dance" with AF. (Am I correct that it has
already been patched 3 times?) We have BEEN to the mountaintop, and we
have seen the groups rip apart, we have seen the arguements, we have
seen the good, the bad, and the ugly. But behind our laughter, is the
hope that this new single group, will be different than what history
has shown us, and manage to beat the odds and make the benchmark of all
sims!
The simple answer? Just try em both!
E-Man
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"Wadeyboy" <wade4816 RemoveThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the offer C3PO and it's very generous of you but I've
> already paid for this game once. I don't really want to have to pay
> again. It's just a shame that there isn't an upgrade deal for existing
> owners. What I really want to know is what realism patch should I go
> for? SP4, Free Falcon, BMS, etc, etc. It's really difficult to find out
> which one should I go for and confusing too!
>

Upgrade offer? I mean the game costs $30, and can find it for $20 in some
places!!! I've paid more than that for an expansion that did little more
than make for a more stable game and add a few extra units.
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"Wadeyboy" <wade4816.DeleteThis@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Oh right. I had got the impression that AF is just a more stable
> version of the old Falcon 4 with some extra graphical tweaks to the
> existing graphics engine and with the notorious bugs removed No?

....Yes. I bought Allied Force and played it 'a bit' but it was too close to
the original for me. Yes its more stable but FF3 is far better overall -
better graphics, better plane choice (EF2000!) just as accurate etc. I
personally cant recommend it unless its in the bargain bin.

Nats
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"Nats" <nstutt.TakeThisOut@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Wadeyboy" <wade4816.TakeThisOut@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1141854466.450011.248740@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> Oh right. I had got the impression that AF is just a more stable
>> version of the old Falcon 4 with some extra graphical tweaks to the
>> existing graphics engine and with the notorious bugs removed No?
>
> ...Yes. I bought Allied Force and played it 'a bit' but it was too close
> to the original for me. Yes its more stable but FF3 is far better
> overall - better graphics, better plane choice (EF2000!) just as accurate
> etc. I personally cant recommend it unless its in the bargain bin.
>
> Nats
>

"A bit too close to the original". I thought the same, until I decided to
install the original Falcon 4 updated to patch 1.08. Played it and then
played Falcon 4 Allied Force. HUGE difference, above and beyond the CTD's.

Yes, the graphics are older technology, but better in F4AF, avionics work,
the ground war works, the flight model works, and despite some refueling
issues, it works in medium realism right now.

It offers anyone excited about the original but could never play it due to
its substatial issues, a chance to finally play it the way it was meant to
be developed. Not to mention working online capability.
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"HockeyTownUSA" <magma at comcast dot net> wrote in message
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> "Nats" <nstutt.RemoveThis@nstutt.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > "Wadeyboy" <wade4816.RemoveThis@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1141854466.450011.248740@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> Oh right. I had got the impression that AF is just a more stable
> >> version of the old Falcon 4 with some extra graphical tweaks to the
> >> existing graphics engine and with the notorious bugs removed No?
> >
> > ...Yes. I bought Allied Force and played it 'a bit' but it was too close
> > to the original for me. Yes its more stable but FF3 is far better
> > overall - better graphics, better plane choice (EF2000!) just as
accurate
> > etc. I personally cant recommend it unless its in the bargain bin.
> >
> > Nats
> >
>
> "A bit too close to the original". I thought the same, until I decided to
> install the original Falcon 4 updated to patch 1.08. Played it and then
> played Falcon 4 Allied Force. HUGE difference, above and beyond the CTD's.



Comparing AF to F4 1.08 isn't a valid comparison. It should be compared
to the latest F4 versions; SP 4.2 and FF 3.1.



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Sounds like a Charlton Heston movie.
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They are sitting back and laughing on the top of the mountain and
dancing.
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LOL!
E-Man
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