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The Kaiser

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:20 pm
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I find that I'll be drafting the new set next Friday. Draft is always
good times, no matter what the game is. I've drafted the Magical cards
for years, and it's easily my favourite format....drafting Call of
Cthulhu is fun too. However, drafting Vampiric cards is a little
different because you have the question of when to draft vampires. The
solution to that seemingly simple question has eluded me in the few
drafts that I've participated in so far. I'm always torn between
drafting vampires early and hoping cards that they can use show up
later and drafting cards of a specifc discipline first and then hoping
vampires with those disciplines show up. That's a little more hoping
than I'm really comfortable with. Since the best minds in the game
browse this forum occasionally, I thought I'd get some opinions.

So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?

Thanks in advance.
TTFn

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:15 pm
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The Kaiser wrote:
> So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?

Heh. I generally tend to draft some vampires early, and then pick cards
to go with what I draft. In the format we are using (6 packs, 7 minimum
crypt, 40 minimum cards), there is room to err in vampires (as you only
need 7 of 18 average) but not much to err in cards (40 out of 48
average). So probably the way to go is to pick some vampires early to
build your deck around, and then pick cards to flesh out a deck,
picking up extra vampires as they come by.

But then, I generally don't do so well at draft Smile

-Peter

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:22 am
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The Kaiser wrote:
> I find that I'll be drafting the new set next Friday. Draft is always
> good times, no matter what the game is. I've drafted the Magical cards
> for years, and it's easily my favourite format....drafting Call of
> Cthulhu is fun too. However, drafting Vampiric cards is a little
> different because you have the question of when to draft vampires. The
> solution to that seemingly simple question has eluded me in the few
> drafts that I've participated in so far. I'm always torn between
> drafting vampires early and hoping cards that they can use show up
> later and drafting cards of a specifc discipline first and then hoping
> vampires with those disciplines show up. That's a little more hoping
> than I'm really comfortable with. Since the best minds in the game
> browse this forum occasionally, I thought I'd get some opinions.
>
> So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?

What I found myself able to do in several 3rd ed. drafts was pull
mostly (all in at least one case) disciplineless/clanless cards (or
solid cards like Enchant Kindred or Guard Dogs with a Disciplineless
draftferior) in my first pack or two while trying to pull a few
vampires with a matching discipline spread. Then on the rest of the
packs you draft to match your minions where you can.

Look at the discipline requirement of every draftferior. Many of them
have no requirement for a decent effect.

Witness1
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:43 am
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Jozxyqk wrote:
> The Kaiser <aleistre.TakeThisOut@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> > So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?
>
> Watch "your" pack carefully. See what other people are *not* taking.
> Then take that.
>
> For example, we just did a 7-pack Internal Recursion draft in Boston,
> and I noticed nobody was really taking Thaumaturgy cards or Tremere
> Antitribu.
> I ended up with 10 !Tremere, a few Theft, a few Soul Burn, Walk of Flame,
> Mob Connections, some Dominate, and 2 Grooming the Protege, and I won the
> one game I played with this deck; it was practically a Starter.

Well I guess getting Dominate and 2 Grooming the Protégé is rather
bad card evaluation from the other drafters and not !tremere not being
drafted Smile Dominate/presence was very strong in our draft (and lasombra
were everywhere) also grooming should go in almost every deck since
bloodgain advantage is very rare in 3rd edition. suprisingly strong was
also king's rising. especially if you can get multiples.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:28 am
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Jozxyqk wrote:
> xcver <xcver.RemoveThis@xcver.com> wrote:
>
> > grooming should go in almost every deck
>
> In draft, you're unlikely to be able to use Grooming that effectively.
> Your vampires are more likely to be of several different clans.

Maybe this is true in general, but it hasn't been the case in the Third
Edition drafting I've done so far. Perhaps it is due to clumping.

Also, If you are playing IR, and only need 7 vampires in your crypt, it
isn't that hard to get 3 or 4 from a specific clan, and that is really
about all you need to have a decent shot at using Grooming the Protege.

-Dave Clooney
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:35 am
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The Kaiser <aleistre RemoveThis @stny.rr.com> wrote:
> So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?

Watch "your" pack carefully. See what other people are *not* taking.
Then take that.

For example, we just did a 7-pack Internal Recursion draft in Boston,
and I noticed nobody was really taking Thaumaturgy cards or Tremere
Antitribu.
I ended up with 10 !Tremere, a few Theft, a few Soul Burn, Walk of Flame,
Mob Connections, some Dominate, and 2 Grooming the Protege, and I won the
one game I played with this deck; it was practically a Starter.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:47 am
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xcver <xcver RemoveThis @xcver.com> wrote:

> grooming should go in almost every deck

In draft, you're unlikely to be able to use Grooming that effectively.
Your vampires are more likely to be of several different clans.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:24 am
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006, The Kaiser wrote:

> So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?

Draft good cards. Sounds obvious, but whenever you are trying to decide
between two cards, think to yourself, "Is this a good card?" Do not pass
up the Ivory Bow because Political Struggle fits better in your Lasombra
deck.

When it comes to vamps vs. library cards, go for a balanced approach. If
you're on your third pack and you already have seven vampires, give them a
rest for a while. Take library cards. Try to draft a deck that's at
least somewhat playable at each stage in drafting.

It's good to have an idea of what you want to draft ahead of time, but you
need to be flexible. If you're sitting there thinking "DOMINATE,
DOMINATE, DOMINATE" and none can be found, you need to go for something
else.

When all else fails, go for a weenie deck. It's boring but it can win.

Matt Morgan
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:40 pm
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quickbeam schrieb:
> Jozxyqk wrote:
>> xcver <xcver.DeleteThis@xcver.com> wrote:
>>
>>> grooming should go in almost every deck
>> In draft, you're unlikely to be able to use Grooming that effectively.
>> Your vampires are more likely to be of several different clans.
>
> Maybe this is true in general, but it hasn't been the case in the Third
> Edition drafting I've done so far. Perhaps it is due to clumping.
>
> Also, If you are playing IR, and only need 7 vampires in your crypt, it
> isn't that hard to get 3 or 4 from a specific clan, and that is really
> about all you need to have a decent shot at using Grooming the Protege.
>
> -Dave Clooney
>
true in a regular draft I had 8 Lasombra out of 12 vamps which is quite
solid in my book.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:55 pm
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"xcver" <xcver RemoveThis @xcver.com> wrote in
news:1158756202.503012.26470@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

>
> Jozxyqk wrote:
>> The Kaiser <aleistre RemoveThis @stny.rr.com> wrote:
>> > So, what's your strategy for drafting V:tES?
>>
>> Watch "your" pack carefully. See what other people are *not* taking.
>> Then take that.
>>
>> For example, we just did a 7-pack Internal Recursion draft in Boston,
>> and I noticed nobody was really taking Thaumaturgy cards or Tremere
>> Antitribu.
>> I ended up with 10 !Tremere, a few Theft, a few Soul Burn, Walk of
>> Flame, Mob Connections, some Dominate, and 2 Grooming the Protege,
>> and I won the one game I played with this deck; it was practically a
>> Starter.
>
> Well I guess getting Dominate and 2 Grooming the Protégé is rather
> bad card evaluation from the other drafters and not !tremere not being
> drafted Smile

As Jozyqk's prey-side neighbor in said draft, I object mildly Wink I saw
three dominate cards all draft, and took two; one Scouting Mission, one
Redirection. On the third observed dom card, there was an Inconnu
Tutelage in the same pack... *shrug* a different priority than the draft
prompted me to take it Smile I did make use of the IT in our game (to no
great effect).

Jozyqk's Predator-side neighbor in our pod (John Eno) came away with a
War Ghoul, an Abbot, and at least one other power rare, so I'm guessing
that also had a bit to do with his receiving more than a few common
dominate cards.

DaveZ
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