Doubling season and Pentavus

Heartstone, from Stronghold.

Not to mention Pentavus comes into play with 10 counters anyway,
allowing you to quickly generate 20 fliers and swarm your opponent.

Doubling Season is just silly.

Peter
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Heartstone doesn't reduce it to less than 1 though...

--Rick


On 13 Oct 2005 10:05:19 -0700, "Risser" <knucklehead000 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Heartstone, from Stronghold.
>
>Not to mention Pentavus comes into play with 10 counters anyway,
>allowing you to quickly generate 20 fliers and swarm your opponent.
>
>Doubling Season is just silly.
>
>Peter
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David DeLaney sez:

<<
>Hampmeis...@gmail.com <Hampmeis... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>Am I correct that with DS i play, removing one counter creates two
>>Pentavites, and saccing a Pentavite then gives two counters?
>
>Yes. Good thing there isn't anything in Standard that, say, makes activated
>abilities of creatures cost, oh, say, 1 less...
>
>>

It's also a good thing Ashnod's Altar isn't in Standard...
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In article <hcktk1petp1c3q0cecqp5uibq1dogu5stq.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Rick Kunkel <NOSPAM-kunkel.RemoveThis@w-link.net> wrote:

> Heartstone doesn't reduce it to less than 1 though...
>
> --Rick
>
>
> On 13 Oct 2005 10:05:19 -0700, "Risser" <knucklehead000.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Heartstone, from Stronghold.
> >
> >Not to mention Pentavus comes into play with 10 counters anyway,
> >allowing you to quickly generate 20 fliers and swarm your opponent.
> >
> >Doubling Season is just silly.
> >
> >Peter

Try Phryrexian Altar for giggles. Start off by spending (1) to
convert a Pentavus +1/+1 counter to 2 Pentavite tokens.
Sacrifice one token to the altar; with the (1) you get, convert
the other token into 2 +1/+1 counters. Lather, rinse, repeat.

--
Respectfully,
Eric Jablow
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On 13 Oct 2005 10:05:19 -0700, "Risser" <knucklehead000.DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Heartstone, from Stronghold.
>
>Not to mention Pentavus comes into play with 10 counters anyway,
>allowing you to quickly generate 20 fliers and swarm your opponent.
>
>Doubling Season is just silly.
>
>Peter

Hm. One other question... Would the Pentavus really come in with 10
counters? In other words, will Pentavus's "Pentavus comes into play
with five +1/+1 counters on it" trigger the Doubling Season's "If an
effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control"?

Thanks,

Rick
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> Hm. One other question... Would the Pentavus really come in with 10 counters? In other words, will Pentavus's "Pentavus comes into play with five +1/+1 counters on it" trigger the Doubling Season's "If an effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control"?

Yep, sure would.

Not 100% sure about the explanation, but I think it goes a little
something like this:

After an ever so slight moment right after it comes into play the
counters are added. Doubling Season then replaces that with twice as
many counters. So it comes into play with 10 tokens. All within the
resolution of the Pentavus spell. This is possible because doubling
season is a replacement effect (instead of a triggered effect or
something like that).
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On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:14:13 -0700, Rick Kunkel
<NOSPAM-kunkel DeleteThis @w-link.net> wrote:

>On 13 Oct 2005 10:05:19 -0700, "Risser" <knucklehead000 DeleteThis @yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Heartstone, from Stronghold.
>>
>>Not to mention Pentavus comes into play with 10 counters anyway,
>>allowing you to quickly generate 20 fliers and swarm your opponent.
>>
>>Doubling Season is just silly.
>>
>>Peter
>
>Hm. One other question... Would the Pentavus really come in with 10
>counters? In other words, will Pentavus's "Pentavus comes into play
>with five +1/+1 counters on it" trigger the Doubling Season's "If an
>effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you control"?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick

I appreciate the info, Hardtrack. I'm still kinda of confused as to
whether the "comes into play with counters" is an effect... Can
anyone give me a second opinion on this?

Thanks,

Rick Kunkel
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Rick Kunkel wrote:

> I appreciate the info, Hardtrack. I'm still kinda of confused as to
> whether the "comes into play with counters" is an effect... Can
> anyone give me a second opinion on this?

I'm not sure how it exactly works but the FAQ says:

* Doubling Season affects cards that "come into play with" a certain
number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would come into play with
six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.

--
David
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David de Kloet <dskloet.DeleteThis@few.vu.nl> wrote in
news:Pine.GSO.4.63.0510172350170.7530@fluit.few.vu.nl:

> On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Rick Kunkel wrote:
>
>> I appreciate the info, Hardtrack. I'm still kinda of confused as to
>> whether the "comes into play with counters" is an effect... Can
>> anyone give me a second opinion on this?
>
> I'm not sure how it exactly works but the FAQ says:
>
> * Doubling Season affects cards that "come into play with" a certain
> number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would come into play with
> six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.
>

i'm glad i read this... i've liked the idea of pentavus with doubling
season for a long time, but somehow i had the idea that "comes into play
with 5 counters" was different from "comes into play, then you put five
counters on it and nothing happens in between those two things"... or am
i just wishfully misconstruing this? would it then double the tokens
that come into play on modular creatures as well? and fading or
vanishing creatures as well? (this was mentioned as well, but i'm not
sure if they were serious or not) -dna

ps- woohoo, just imagine if you had a creature that comes into play with
some positive number of tokens on it, and it has an ability like "tap:
double the tokens on <this>". be even better if it were modular too
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dave n ant <davenant.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> sent:
> David de Kloet <dskloet.RemoveThis@few.vu.nl> wrote in
> news:Pine.GSO.4.63.0510172350170.7530@fluit.few.vu.nl:

> > On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Rick Kunkel wrote:
> >
> >> I appreciate the info, Hardtrack. I'm still kinda of confused as to
> >> whether the "comes into play with counters" is an effect... Can
> >> anyone give me a second opinion on this?
> >
> > I'm not sure how it exactly works but the FAQ says:
> >
> > * Doubling Season affects cards that "come into play with" a certain
> > number of counters. Triskelion, for example, would come into play with
> > six +1/+1 counters on it rather than three.
> >

> i'm glad i read this... i've liked the idea of pentavus with doubling
> season for a long time, but somehow i had the idea that "comes into play
> with 5 counters" was different from "comes into play, then you put five
> counters on it and nothing happens in between those two things"... or am
> i just wishfully misconstruing this? would it then double the tokens
> that come into play on modular creatures as well? and fading or
> vanishing creatures as well? (this was mentioned as well, but i'm not
> sure if they were serious or not) -dna

Wow, this is an old thread

Doubling Season {4}{G} Enchantment
/ If an effect would put one or more tokens into play under your
control, it puts twice that many of those tokens into play instead.
/ If an effect would place one or more counters on a permanent you
control, it places twice that many of those counters on that
permanent instead.

This works on "comes into play with..." effects, among others. It
works on modular, fading and vanishing just fine. It also works
on really simple things like Battlegrowth.

> ps- woohoo, just imagine if you had a creature that comes into play with
> some positive number of tokens on it, and it has an ability like "tap:
> double the tokens on <this>". be even better if it were modular too

Just *cough*Solarion*cough* imagine.

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> dave n ant <davenant DeleteThis @hotmail.com> sent:
>> David de Kloet <dskloet DeleteThis @few.vu.nl> wrote in
>> news:Pine.GSO.4.63.0510172350170.7530@fluit.few.vu.nl:
>
>> > On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Rick Kunkel wrote:
>> >
<snippage occurs>


> Zoe writes:
> Wow, this is an old thread
>
Indeed, sometimes while I'm waiting for my reader to gather all of
the articles in for review, I read from the vast array waiting for
me to actually learn something... and sometimes I do (or seem to).

<more snippage>
>
>> ps- woohoo, just imagine if you had a creature that comes into
>> play with some positive number of tokens on it, and it has an
>> ability like "tap: double the tokens on <this>". be even better
>> if it were modular too
>
> Just *cough*Solarion*cough* imagine.
>
indeed, and yes I have... reminds me of "subliminal man"
from an old (OLD) Saturday Night Live (I quit watching back when
Charles Rocket was on, I'm sure it's gotten better again since).
Now I'm trying to imagine Serra Avatar with Soul Link and that
card that says something like "double target player's life", but I
can't recall if that was a sorcery or what. Thanks again, -dna
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dave n ant <nothere DeleteThis @thisplace.com> sent:
> Now I'm trying to imagine Serra Avatar with Soul Link and that
> card that says something like "double target player's life", but I
> can't recall if that was a sorcery or what. Thanks again, -dna

Beacon of Immortality {5}{W} Instant
/ Double target player's life total. Shuffle Beacon of Immortality into
its owner's library.

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