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Bill Kearney

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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:19 am
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> The S1 and S2 cannot, so you're screwed. Unless TiVo adds
> support for the external converted boxes, which they have yet to
> indicated they will do. (Maybe next week at CES - but they'd probably
> rather you buy a S3/HD.)

It would seem phenomenally unwise to take an existing base of paying
customers and leave them in the lurch.

They're already supporting a boatload of different cable TV systems and
boxes, so it's not like it'd be all that much work.

But there is the downside of dealing with reception issues. Right now if
there's a picture problem the customer has to call the cable company. With
OTA there's no cable company involved, and the calls would end up at Tivo.
That's certainly a cost Tivo would (rightly) prefer to avoid.

It would be interesting to get an idea of how many of Tivo's existing
subscribers don't use a cable or satellite provider. The number may indeed
be so low as to make it a bit of a waste to bother. It'd probably be a lot
cheaper to just offer them a sweet deal on a TivoHD instead.

-Bill Kearney

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Wes Newell

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:43 am
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:15:33 +0000, Gordon Burditt wrote:

> How difficult would it be for someone to add the codes themselves? I
> seem to recall some kind of Linux driver that could receive IR codes and
> tell you what they were. So you get one person with a Linux setup and a
> remote control for the converter box and a little time, and you've got
> the codes (or maybe the manufacturer will publish them anyway). Someone
> said there's a file with all the IR codes on the Tivos, and there are
> known (but not necessarily really easy) methods for modifying files.
> Now, how hard is it to add some codes to the IR code file in the right
> format, if you've got the codes?
>
I never needed an IR blaster so I never looked where they store the codes,
but creating the codes is pretty simple. I've done several for different
remotes using Linux Infrared Remote Control (LIRC), lirc.org. If they are
using lirc and I don't know if they are, you may be able to do it from tty
if they have the whole package installed. If not, it's a simple matter to
create a file with the codes. Here's part of one I did;

# lircd.conf.ofa
# Please make this file available to others
# by sending it to <lirc.TakeThisOut@bartelmus.de>
#
# this config file was automatically generated
# using lirc-0.8.0pre4-pvr150(all) on Sat Sep 23 12:37:15 2006
#
# contributed by W.Newell
#
# brand: One For All with serial IR rec. (lirc_serial)
# model no. of remote control: URC-8810 (default cable device)
# devices being controlled by this remote: MythTV, whatever
#

begin remote

name URC8810_Cable_Mode
flags RAW_CODES|CONST_LENGTH
eps 30
aeps 100

ptrail 510
repeat 0 0
gap 100206

begin raw_codes

name menu
9077 4498 506 4487 518 2213
509 2238 533 4453 527 4434
576 2182 550 2189 584 2166
570 2180 569 2186 562 2162
605 2150 597 2138 593 4401
590 4412 616 2105 608

name guide
9075 4498 481 2276 484 2253
493 2252 525 2221 503 4465
539 4447 571 2170 588 2173
553 2217 540 2180 560 2203
567 2174 571 4403 575 2168
587 4432 566 4402 612

name power
9099 4466 469 2289 477 4499
523 2240 490 4481 544 2196
527 2222 537 2198 576 2174
548 2192 603 2134 607 2148
544 2205 575 2173 559 4439
573 4405 639 2121 580

Left out the rest

end raw_codes

end remote


If I get a remote, it's not a problem to generate a code file. Here's
remote codes for many devices.

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/

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Gordon Burditt

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:03 pm
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>>How difficult would it be for someone to add the codes themselves?
>
>AFAIK no one has ever been able to add IR codes to the TiVo, other
>than Tivo.
>
>>Has anyone thought about the interference from all those cables that's
>>on these new frequencies that someone else is supposed to start using?
>
>What new frequencies? All of the ATSC channels are using spectrum
>that has long been assigned to VHF or UHF TV stations.

No, I'm talking about the frequencies radiated from CABLE that are
no longer assigned to TV, but to emergency communications or whatever.
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Wes Newell

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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:37 am
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On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:56:10 +0000, MegaZone wrote:

> "John" <john.hartshorn RemoveThis @yahoo.com.spamfilter> shaped the electrons to
> say:
>>converter can still act as the tuner for TIVO series 1 boxes. What I
>>don't know is if the A/D converter will accept the IR inputs from TIVOs
>>IR blaster. That may be the difference between the $50 model, and the
>>$70 (or
>
> At this point in time the TiVo doesn't have IR codes to control any of
> the converter boxes, and it is unknown if TiVo will add them.
>
They may not have to add them. A requirement for the box is that it uses
standard codes, and they must be made available to the user.

18. Remote Control
A remote control to operate the equipment shall be provided with
batteries. Standard codes will be used and provided so the
consumer can program an existing remote control to, at a minimum, change
channels and turn on and off the converter box and the
consumer's existing analog television receiver.



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Joe Smith

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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:19 pm
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Drew Lawson wrote:
> I don't know whether you
> need a different design of antenna for ATSC than for NTSC.

There is no difference. Antenna design is affected by distance
and frequency ranges (UHF vs VHF). Both criteria are identical for
ATSC transmissions in digital form and NTSC transmissions in analog form.

-Joe
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 7:44 pm
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Gordon Burditt wrote:

> Has anyone thought about the interference from all those cables that's
> on these new frequencies that someone else is supposed to start using?
>
> No, I'm talking about the frequencies radiated from CABLE that are
> no longer assigned to TV, but to emergency communications or whatever.

There is very little leakage of signals from coax cable.
I haven't heard of any in the UHF channel 61 to channel 69 range (the
ones being auctioned off). Do you know of any specific reports?

-Joe

P.S. Don't try to feed "Burditt" to the Thunderbird spell checker Wink
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:11 pm
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In article <doWdne9_NoyqoBnanZ2dnUVZ_v2pnZ2d RemoveThis @comcast.com>, Joe Smith <joe RemoveThis @inwap.com> wrote:
>Drew Lawson wrote:
>> I don't know whether you
>> need a different design of antenna for ATSC than for NTSC.
>
>There is no difference. Antenna design is affected by distance
>and frequency ranges (UHF vs VHF). Both criteria are identical for
>ATSC transmissions in digital form and NTSC transmissions in analog form.
>
> -Joe
Whilest you dont really need a special antenna, you may want one that is
better at pulling in UHF frequencies. Most ATSC broadcasts are in UHF range
and a VHF only antenna will not work.
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Jack Snodgrass

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(Msg. 23) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:11 pm
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:19:44 +0000, GMAN wrote:

> In article <doWdne9_NoyqoBnanZ2dnUVZ_v2pnZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Joe Smith <joe DeleteThis @inwap.com> wrote:
>>Drew Lawson wrote:
>>> I don't know whether you
>>> need a different design of antenna for ATSC than for NTSC.
>>
>>There is no difference. Antenna design is affected by distance
>>and frequency ranges (UHF vs VHF). Both criteria are identical for
>>ATSC transmissions in digital form and NTSC transmissions in analog form.
>>
>> -Joe
> Whilest you dont really need a special antenna, you may want one that is
> better at pulling in UHF frequencies. Most ATSC broadcasts are in UHF range
> and a VHF only antenna will not work.

One thing to note... some of my local HDTV stations are using VHF now...
but will be moving to UHF around the time of the switch over..... wish
they would pick a freq and stick with it...

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Wes Newell

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(Msg. 24) Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:11 pm
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:41:57 +0000, Jack Snodgrass wrote:

> On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:19:44 +0000, GMAN wrote:
>
>> In article <doWdne9_NoyqoBnanZ2dnUVZ_v2pnZ2d DeleteThis @comcast.com>, Joe Smith
>> <joe DeleteThis @inwap.com> wrote:
>>>Drew Lawson wrote:
>>>> I don't know whether you
>>>> need a different design of antenna for ATSC than for NTSC.
>>>
>>>There is no difference. Antenna design is affected by distance and
>>>frequency ranges (UHF vs VHF). Both criteria are identical for ATSC
>>>transmissions in digital form and NTSC transmissions in analog form.
>>>
>>> -Joe
>> Whilest you dont really need a special antenna, you may want one that
>> is better at pulling in UHF frequencies. Most ATSC broadcasts are in
>> UHF range and a VHF only antenna will not work.
>
> One thing to note... some of my local HDTV stations are using VHF now...
> but will be moving to UHF around the time of the switch over..... wish
> they would pick a freq and stick with it...

Are you sure you didn't write that backwards? Here in DFW, all digital
stations but one are UHF now. AT switchover, another one is moving to vhf.
WFAA is now broadcast NTSC on channel 8 and ATSC on 9. At switchover, they
will move their ATSC feed back to their original channel 8 and someone
else is moving from UHF to channel 9 IIRC. Would have been nice if they'd
all move to UHF, but that just makes things too simple and easy.Sad

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