Dialogues in RPGs?

Werner Spahl wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Will wrote:
>
> >> take-quest-or-not. Are there other RPGs around that offer the rich
> >> conversations of Bloodlines?
> >
> > I would suggest Planescape: Torment, Fallout 2 and Arcanum. Maybe
> > Neverwinter Nights.
>
> Hmmm, these are all 3rd person or isometric. Anything else FP?
>
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> "The meaning of my life is to make me crazy" Vorlonships

Wizardry 8
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Will wrote:

>> take-quest-or-not. Are there other RPGs around that offer the rich
>> conversations of Bloodlines?
>
> I would suggest Planescape: Torment, Fallout 2 and Arcanum. Maybe
> Neverwinter Nights.

Hmmm, these are all 3rd person or isometric. Anything else FP?

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NFLed wrote:
> Werner Spahl wrote:
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Will wrote:
>>
>>>> take-quest-or-not. Are there other RPGs around that offer the rich
>>>> conversations of Bloodlines?
>>>
>>> I would suggest Planescape: Torment, Fallout 2 and Arcanum. Maybe
>>> Neverwinter Nights.
>>
>> Hmmm, these are all 3rd person or isometric. Anything else FP?
>>
>> --
>> Werner Spahl (spahl@cup.uni-muenchen.de) Freedom for
>> "The meaning of my life is to make me crazy" Vorlonships
>
> Wizardry 8

But there's not a lot else with Bloodlines' dialogue variety that I can
think of--perhaps some of the very old CRPGs, but don't ask for specifics;
it's been way too long. Nothing FP at all that I've played, but I don't
really see what FP has to do with it.

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chainbreaker
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>Hmmm, these are all 3rd person or isometric. Anything >else FP?

Gothic 2. It isn't as context sensitive as the others, but the npcs do
react to changes in your character's status. Be warned that the G2
expansion is vastly more difficult and changes G2 so I recommend starting
without it.
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I suggest that with G2 you should install the main game and then make a copy
of the whole folder "Gothic 2 Original" or whatever..
It will still work ok even tho its folder name has been changed..
Now you can install the NOTR add-on in the 1st copy and run this NOTR and
the Original seperately
Mouse
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The gread Mod God that is Werner asks;
"Are there other RPGs around that offer the rich conversations of
Bloodlines?"
Well how about MORROWIND ?? there is certainly vast amounts of information
...history detail ..
not many choices in the reply's though
Mouse
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Thus spake "chainbreaker" <noone.DeleteThis@nowhere.com>, Wed, 9 Aug 2006 14:44:59
-0400, Anno Domini:

>NFLed wrote:
>> Werner Spahl wrote:
>>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Will wrote:
>>>
>>>>> take-quest-or-not. Are there other RPGs around that offer the rich
>>>>> conversations of Bloodlines?
>>>>
>>>> I would suggest Planescape: Torment, Fallout 2 and Arcanum. Maybe
>>>> Neverwinter Nights.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, these are all 3rd person or isometric. Anything else FP?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Werner Spahl (spahl@cup.uni-muenchen.de) Freedom for
>>> "The meaning of my life is to make me crazy" Vorlonships
>>
>> Wizardry 8
>
>But there's not a lot else with Bloodlines' dialogue variety that I can
>think of--perhaps some of the very old CRPGs, but don't ask for specifics;
>it's been way too long. Nothing FP at all that I've played, but I don't
>really see what FP has to do with it.

Yeah, I agree - Anachronox could be another hybrid Werner may like for the
rich story/doalogue, even if it is more of an action/adventure/rpg hybrid -
don't recall if it had a fps mode though.

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Nostromo
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Thus spake "Trimble Bracegirdle" <NOspam.TakeThisOut@spam.not>, Wed, 9 Aug 2006 22:08:25
+0100, Anno Domini:

>The gread Mod God that is Werner asks;
> "Are there other RPGs around that offer the rich conversations of
>Bloodlines?"
>Well how about MORROWIND ?? there is certainly vast amounts of information
>..history detail ..
>not many choices in the reply's though
>Mouse
>@@@@

You mean you really liked MW, it's 1st person so therefore you thought you
would suggest it to Werner? Have you even played VTMB through once (or
more)? MW can't hold a silent fart to VTMB's dialogue & *interactive*
storyline, something MW can only pretend to have through static out-of-order
book reading. I mean, seriously...? :-/

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Nostromo
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Werner Spahl <spahl.RemoveThis@cup.uni-muenchen.de> wrote in
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0608091122550.12393@cicum1.cup.uni-muenchen.de:

> As I came to the world of the RPGs
> from the FPS side and Bloodlines was the first real hybrid I played, I
> was overwhelmed by the number of dialogue choices it offered when
> talking to a NPC. Also these are dependent of gender, clan,
> disciplines, talents, previous talk and other knowledge and most of the
> time lead to different answers too.
I've played pretty old RPGs (like 20 years ago) and my impression that
interactivity and dialogues keep detiorating. There was time where you
could have almost real dialog by being able to say/ask anything you wanted
and half of the fun was figuring out what to ask. It's amazing how many
clues you could get by talking about right things with the right person
(unfortunately there were many old games that required you to ask wild
illogical things to get necessary clues). Now everything seems to be
dominated by click-through dialogs. When they're of PS:T quality, that's
fine, unfortunately that doesn't happen often

So getting back on topic, unfortunately, I can't really recommend anything
relatively recent with really good dialogues (OK with a flexible enough
imagination, PS:T can be considered recent).

Alex.
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On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, chainbreaker wrote:

> But there's not a lot else with Bloodlines' dialogue variety that I can
> think of--perhaps some of the very old CRPGs, but don't ask for specifics;
> it's been way too long. Nothing FP at all that I've played, but I don't
> really see what FP has to do with it.

For me first person view is very important to immerse me into the story.
It just doesn't work for me with any other kind of view. It was so great
to talk to the NPCs in Bloodlines face to face and watching their facial
expressions while listening to their voices!

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Werner Spahl wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, chainbreaker wrote:
>
>> But there's not a lot else with Bloodlines' dialogue variety that I
>> can think of--perhaps some of the very old CRPGs, but don't ask for
>> specifics; it's been way too long. Nothing FP at all that I've
>> played, but I don't really see what FP has to do with it.
>
> For me first person view is very important to immerse me into the
> story. It just doesn't work for me with any other kind of view. It
> was so great to talk to the NPCs in Bloodlines face to face and
> watching their facial expressions while listening to their voices!

Heh, each to his own, I guess. Until exact nuances of expression can be
achieved in PC character animation, what Bloodlines does in that regard is
as much gimmickry to me as anything, and as apt to break any immersion as
enhance it. I do credit the attempt, however, but for me neither it nor a
FP view is absolutely necessary.

Maybe I'm too old school, but a highlighted character portrait is plenty
good enough for me.
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chainbreaker
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Werner Spahl wrote:
> Are
> there other RPGs around that offer the rich conversations of Bloodlines?

Not first person ones.

But you should try Planescape: Torment.

Knight37
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