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> And I did. Currently playing a Pyromancer, on Elite difficulty. He's level
> 4, using the Wisp sub-tree of the 'Coalsmasher' skill-tab. Currently only
> 1 Wisp, which is sort of like a mobile guided missile launcher. Quite
> nice. The higher levels synergies add more Wisps, more damage, more
> missiles, looks nice. A quick browse in the forums also showed it's pretty
> viable, though you need to decide on a secondary skill...

My friend Tresa is the one who got my a beta invite, and my friend Jaime has
dabbled a little in Mythos as well, and they've both gone the Wisp route
with their pyromancers. From what I've seen, it's VERY potent. Not sure what
secondary Tresa uses, I know Jaime's going meteor with hers though.

> I'm not sure what to do myself; I think I'll go perhaps the 'Dart'
> route from the Flamecaster tab; at least that gives me something to do
> myself.

I know Meteor seems to work, dunno bout the darts yet.

> Haven't spotted anything like Teleport, so the only way to traverse levels
> is by walking, no tele-jumping (unless there's something in between the
> Bloodletter's skills?). Not a bad thing perhaps.

Aye, seems running is the way it is then.

> I also have no idea what to use as a weapon; Wisdom doesn't really add a
> lot except mana,

From what I understand, wisdom also boosts spell damage. So for a pure
caster, wisdom is the way to go. And armor's not a problem, since there's
wisdom based armor as well.

> but summoning a Wisp is rather light on the mana. With a
> Barrage/Napalm Gadgeteer you know you need loads of dex to use the better
> rifles, since that's also the item you deal the damage with.

Plus, dex adds to ranged weapon damage too(like str adds to melee damage),
and I think wisdom adds to spell damage. So, from what I've read, in normal
and elite modes, most people pump strictly str, dex, or wisdom at least
until it gets to 125 or so, then pump vita afterwars. HC players tend to go
3/2 primary/vita from what I've seen. I'll have to look/ask around and see
if I'm right about wisdom boosting spell damage.

> But here..
> Not sure, so I'll hold off as long as possible. For now checking out
> Wands; free missile weapons, but not sure if they're viable. Some Wisdom
> can't hurt for the mana, but beyond that...

Wands can get good mods on them, plus you can dual wield them. Two wands
each with increased missle speed and missle range, or perhaps increased
spell damage can be pretty potent.

> Thanks, once you've visited them, they're easy to re-visit, since that
> apparently unlocks the 'Warp' option of travelling to them.

Aye.

> Hope to run into him, with plenty of coin in the pocket.

Indeed;-)

> Oh, and to take this OT in another direction: the shop checked the gaming
> 'puter, and they checked the 8800GTX in another system: no problem. Also
> checked the memory and PSU: all ok. So it looks like the mainboard is the
> culprit. They're trying to get it credited instead of replaced, because I
> told 'em that if that was possible, I'd like to upgrade/migrate to an
> Intel X38 based mainboard. We'll see what happens. I can live with getting
> a new 680i mainboard back, but it is a bit limited in it's growth
> potential, and if it's now already broken, this doesn't improve my
> confidence in it.

Eek, not ideal...

> Regards, Patrick.
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In article <lQptj.8620$iB4.3154@newsfe07.lga>,
Shiflet <rshiflet.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:
>
>"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
>message news:7fb4$47b61edb$82a1d3bf$27871@news1.tudelft.nl...
>
>> And I did. Currently playing a Pyromancer, on Elite difficulty. He's level
>> 4, using the Wisp sub-tree of the 'Coalsmasher' skill-tab. Currently only
>> 1 Wisp, which is sort of like a mobile guided missile launcher. Quite
>> nice. The higher levels synergies add more Wisps, more damage, more
>> missiles, looks nice. A quick browse in the forums also showed it's pretty
>> viable, though you need to decide on a secondary skill...
>
>My friend Tresa is the one who got my a beta invite, and my friend Jaime has
>dabbled a little in Mythos as well, and they've both gone the Wisp route
>with their pyromancers. From what I've seen, it's VERY potent. Not sure what
>secondary Tresa uses, I know Jaime's going meteor with hers though.

It's a bit like a Summoning Necro, apparently. Basic build is maxing the
Wisp tree. Fanning the Flames is apparently also mandatory, and is a bit
like Diablo II's Cold Mastery (it lowers and breaks monster's Fire
resists). Beyond that, a lot of variants seem to exist. Some use the
Burning Colossus for a big bad tank. Others even use the melee skills (and
therefore invest in Str for wielding big bad weapons). Others use indeed
Meteor. The Coalsmasher tree also includes some skills which at first slow
down, and with the higher synergies, also damage mobs. That allows you to
let the Wisps do their thing. Plenty of options, but of course with
Skill points being somewhat limited, quite important. Although 1 Gold does
get you a new chance on spending them.

>> I'm not sure what to do myself; I think I'll go perhaps the 'Dart'
>> route from the Flamecaster tab; at least that gives me something to do
>> myself.
>
>I know Meteor seems to work, dunno bout the darts yet.

Read about Meteor, Darts seems to be an option too. Hmm.

>> I also have no idea what to use as a weapon; Wisdom doesn't really add a
>> lot except mana,
>
>From what I understand, wisdom also boosts spell damage. So for a pure
>caster, wisdom is the way to go. And armor's not a problem, since there's
>wisdom based armor as well.

From what I read in the forums, Wisdom does not (yet anyhow) boost spell
damage. There might be plans to let it do that, but for now it boosts
mana, and I also read that only the Wistdom based armors can have the
_very_ interesting mods which affect your Wisps' damage. Seems the highest
Wisdom needing item you can find, for now, is a Sorcerer's Crown, which
needs 133 Wisdom, so that's something to aim for. Many save up the rest
(Act 3, to be released at the end of month, might unlock a whole new bunch
of items, needing even more wisdom), others spend them in Vit for more
life, but also Str is sometimes used for weaponry. Apparently.

>> but summoning a Wisp is rather light on the mana. With a
>> Barrage/Napalm Gadgeteer you know you need loads of dex to use the better
>> rifles, since that's also the item you deal the damage with.
>
>Plus, dex adds to ranged weapon damage too(like str adds to melee damage),
>and I think wisdom adds to spell damage. So, from what I've read, in normal
>and elite modes, most people pump strictly str, dex, or wisdom at least
>until it gets to 125 or so, then pump vita afterwars. HC players tend to go
>3/2 primary/vita from what I've seen. I'll have to look/ask around and see
>if I'm right about wisdom boosting spell damage.

I'd be interested in what you find out. See above for what I found about
Wisdom: purely mana boost and for Wisdom gear. Future tweeks might allow
Wisdom to affect spell damage.

>> But here..
>> Not sure, so I'll hold off as long as possible. For now checking out
>> Wands; free missile weapons, but not sure if they're viable. Some Wisdom
>> can't hurt for the mana, but beyond that...
>
>Wands can get good mods on them, plus you can dual wield them. Two wands
>each with increased missle speed and missle range, or perhaps increased
>spell damage can be pretty potent.

Hmmm, indeed. For now I'm actually back to using a staff: I found a unique
(yellow) staff with some semi-nice mods. The difference between Normal and
Elite is quite noticable: quests/dungeons which only contained about 1
Unique in total, or sometimes per dungeon level, now contain several of
those. I also seem to find more colored items.

>> Oh, and to take this OT in another direction: the shop checked the gaming
>> 'puter, and they checked the 8800GTX in another system: no problem. Also
>> checked the memory and PSU: all ok. So it looks like the mainboard is the
>> culprit. They're trying to get it credited instead of replaced, because I
>> told 'em that if that was possible, I'd like to upgrade/migrate to an
>> Intel X38 based mainboard. We'll see what happens. I can live with getting
>> a new 680i mainboard back, but it is a bit limited in it's growth
>> potential, and if it's now already broken, this doesn't improve my
>> confidence in it.
>
>Eek, not ideal...

Well, I'm trying to make the best of it. It's only after I decided on, and
bought, the 680i based board, that became known that most of these would
not support the 45nm Wolfdale based Quad-Cores. That wasn't very good for
future possibilities with this board. So while I was happy with it when it
was working, I would like to use the current bad luck to perhaps improve
the situation. We'll see what is possible...

Regards, Patrick.
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"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn.DeleteThis@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
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> It's a bit like a Summoning Necro, apparently. Basic build is maxing the
> Wisp tree. Fanning the Flames is apparently also mandatory, and is a bit
> like Diablo II's Cold Mastery (it lowers and breaks monster's Fire
> resists). Beyond that, a lot of variants seem to exist. Some use the
> Burning Colossus for a big bad tank. Others even use the melee skills (and
> therefore invest in Str for wielding big bad weapons). Others use indeed
> Meteor. The Coalsmasher tree also includes some skills which at first slow
> down, and with the higher synergies, also damage mobs. That allows you to
> let the Wisps do their thing. Plenty of options, but of course with
> Skill points being somewhat limited, quite important. Although 1 Gold does
> get you a new chance on spending them.

Ahh many options is good. And with skill refunds, you can try several of
them;-)

> Read about Meteor, Darts seems to be an option too. Hmm.

So many choices;-)

> From what I read in the forums, Wisdom does not (yet anyhow) boost spell
> damage. There might be plans to let it do that, but for now it boosts
> mana, and I also read that only the Wistdom based armors can have the
> _very_ interesting mods which affect your Wisps' damage. Seems the highest
> Wisdom needing item you can find, for now, is a Sorcerer's Crown, which
> needs 133 Wisdom, so that's something to aim for. Many save up the rest
> (Act 3, to be released at the end of month, might unlock a whole new bunch
> of items, needing even more wisdom), others spend them in Vit for more
> life, but also Str is sometimes used for weaponry. Apparently.

Heh, seems to be quite a few ways to go stats wise too. Guess that stuff I
heard bout wisdom boosting spell damage was only a rumor.

>>> but summoning a Wisp is rather light on the mana. With a

> I'd be interested in what you find out. See above for what I found about
> Wisdom: purely mana boost and for Wisdom gear. Future tweeks might allow
> Wisdom to affect spell damage.

Ahh, gotcha.

> Hmmm, indeed. For now I'm actually back to using a staff: I found a unique
> (yellow) staff with some semi-nice mods. The difference between Normal and
> Elite is quite noticable: quests/dungeons which only contained about 1
> Unique in total, or sometimes per dungeon level, now contain several of
> those. I also seem to find more colored items.

Ahh, nice.
>
> Well, I'm trying to make the best of it. It's only after I decided on, and
> bought, the 680i based board, that became known that most of these would
> not support the 45nm Wolfdale based Quad-Cores. That wasn't very good for
> future possibilities with this board. So while I was happy with it when it
> was working, I would like to use the current bad luck to perhaps improve
> the situation. We'll see what is possible...

Indeed, good luck!

> Regards, Patrick.
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~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Shiflet" typed:
>> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz DeleteThis @yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:47b41718$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>> You guys have me quite interested.
>> Have you signed up for the beta at Mythos.com?
>
> I signed up after posting here yesterday but haven't heard from them.
>

As did I. But as it seems to be a random selection i signed up with all
my email addresses, should slighty improve my odds
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Squiggle wrote:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Shiflet" typed:
>>> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz DeleteThis @yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:47b41718$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>>> You guys have me quite interested.
>>> Have you signed up for the beta at Mythos.com?
>>
>> I signed up after posting here yesterday but haven't heard from them.
>>
>
> As did I. But as it seems to be a random selection i signed up with all
> my email addresses, should slighty improve my odds

Just go here and ask for one. I did and got an invite in less than one
day. Look for the thread about requesting an invitation. Good luck.

http://www.flagshipforums.com/index.php
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Somewhere on teh intarweb "Squiggle" typed:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Shiflet" typed:
>>> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz DeleteThis @yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>>> news:47b41718$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>>> You guys have me quite interested.
>>> Have you signed up for the beta at Mythos.com?
>>
>> I signed up after posting here yesterday but haven't heard from them.
>>
>
> As did I. But as it seems to be a random selection i signed up with
> all my email addresses, should slighty improve my odds

Hmmm, never thought of that. I have 8 email addys that I check on a weekly
basis..... <g>

Ehhh, I'll just leave it at the one I think and keep my fingers crossed that
I get picked or that Shiflet gets another invite assigned.
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In article <M%Btj.54$si3.21@newsfe06.lga>,
Shiflet <rshiflet.DeleteThis@charter.net> wrote:

>Ahh many options is good. And with skill refunds, you can try several of
>them;-)

Well, three rerolls apparently for some heavy coinage...?

But, indeed, it looks like there are many viable builds possible; quite a
lot less limited than D2 where every character has usually only a few
viable builds available.

Main problem currently for my Pyromancer are the immune to all
magical/elemental stuff swords that sometimes spawn when you open a
chest/kick a barrel... Neither my Wisp, nor the 1 point Colossus can do
anything about these: I have to zap them myself with my wands.. :S

>> Read about Meteor, Darts seems to be an option too. Hmm.
>
>So many choices;-)

Darts, and especially the higher synergies, sound a bit like CL. Main
problem: they're still only fire and if/when the game ever is going to
contain more 100% fire res monsters, the going might get tough. Also, I
still need to unlock the 'Fanning the Flames' skill, so perhaps that is
able to counter these...

>Heh, seems to be quite a few ways to go stats wise too. Guess that stuff I
>heard bout wisdom boosting spell damage was only a rumor.

Well, perhaps I'm wrong eh?

>Ahh, nice.

Well, back to wands. I need more wands with nice mods!

Regards, Patrick.
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"Patrick Vervoorn" <patrick.vervoorn.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.perihelion.demon.nl> wrote in
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> Well, three rerolls apparently for some heavy coinage...?

Aye.

> Main problem currently for my Pyromancer are the immune to all
> magical/elemental stuff swords that sometimes spawn when you open a
> chest/kick a barrel... Neither my Wisp, nor the 1 point Colossus can do
> anything about these: I have to zap them myself with my wands.. :S

Ooh yeah, those things can be annoying...

> Darts, and especially the higher synergies, sound a bit like CL. Main
> problem: they're still only fire and if/when the game ever is going to
> contain more 100% fire res monsters, the going might get tough. Also, I
> still need to unlock the 'Fanning the Flames' skill, so perhaps that is
> able to counter these...

I know there are some high fire immune monsters that are problematic, so
hopefully fanning can help with those.

> Well, back to wands. I need more wands with nice mods!

Indeed;-)

> Regards, Patrick.
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~misfit~ wrote:
> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Squiggle" typed:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Shiflet" typed:
>>>> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz.RemoveThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>>>> news:47b41718$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>>>> You guys have me quite interested.
>>>> Have you signed up for the beta at Mythos.com?
>>> I signed up after posting here yesterday but haven't heard from them.
>>>
>> As did I. But as it seems to be a random selection i signed up with
>> all my email addresses, should slighty improve my odds
>
> Hmmm, never thought of that. I have 8 email addys that I check on a weekly
> basis..... <g>
>
> Ehhh, I'll just leave it at the one I think and keep my fingers crossed that
> I get picked or that Shiflet gets another invite assigned.

If i somehow end up getting in i'll throw you an invite, would be good
to have someone to play with, and at least you're in the same timezone,
even if you do keep insomniac hours
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Somewhere on teh intarweb "Squiggle" typed:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Squiggle" typed:
>>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>>> Somewhere on teh intarweb "Shiflet" typed:
>>>>> "~misfit~" <misfit61nz.DeleteThis@yahoot.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> news:47b41718$1@news2.actrix.gen.nz...
>>>>>> You guys have me quite interested.
>>>>> Have you signed up for the beta at Mythos.com?
>>>> I signed up after posting here yesterday but haven't heard from
>>>> them.
>>> As did I. But as it seems to be a random selection i signed up with
>>> all my email addresses, should slighty improve my odds
>>
>> Hmmm, never thought of that. I have 8 email addys that I check on a
>> weekly basis..... <g>
>>
>> Ehhh, I'll just leave it at the one I think and keep my fingers
>> crossed that I get picked or that Shiflet gets another invite
>> assigned.
>
> If i somehow end up getting in i'll throw you an invite, would be good
> to have someone to play with, and at least you're in the same
> timezone, even if you do keep insomniac hours

Hehee! Thanks mate.
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