Dec 7th, 2007 HOST.EXE 4.000.212

"Lord Lancelot" <polandor DeleteThis @hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> http://home.comcast.net/~twisseman/vgap/v4download.htm
>
> Is it the same as 211b ?
>
> Lord Lancelot


Looking at the "whats new" text this pretty much looks the same.

Cheers,
Jochen
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"Host 212 has been released. It is the same code as the Host 211b
release, but official this time.

The Borg Bug is fixed in Host 211b/212, but only for newly started
games. Apparently when the issue occurs once, it will keep occuring. I
am anaylzing a way to stop the trend from happening in existing games.

I'm not positive when this bug was actually introduced, but if you
want to be able to continue held games then you may want to try
looking at when Host 211 was installed on your host and roll back the
universe files to a turn before that host processed and continue from
there. The only other alternative is to wait until I or Tim find a way
to stop the issue from occuring in existing games.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

Magik"
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"Host 212 has been released. It is the same code as the Host 211b
release, but official this time.

The Borg Bug is fixed in Host 211b/212, but only for newly started
games. Apparently when the issue occurs once, it will keep occuring. I
am anaylzing a way to stop the trend from happening in existing games.

I'm not positive when this bug was actually introduced, but if you
want to be able to continue held games then you may want to try
looking at when Host 211 was installed on your host and roll back the
universe files to a turn before that host processed and continue from
there. The only other alternative is to wait until I or Tim find a way
to stop the issue from occuring in existing games.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

Magik"
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Ok, this bug causes bases formed by transporters to be given to the
Borg.

Is it every base formed in such a way, or just some of them?
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"Lord Lancelot" <polandor RemoveThis @hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> "Host 212 has been released. It is the same code as the Host 211b
> release, but official this time.
>
> The Borg Bug is fixed in Host 211b/212, but only for newly started
> games. Apparently when the issue occurs once, it will keep occuring. I
> am anaylzing a way to stop the trend from happening in existing games.
>
> I'm not positive when this bug was actually introduced, but if you
> want to be able to continue held games then you may want to try
> looking at when Host 211 was installed on your host and roll back the
> universe files to a turn before that host processed and continue from
> there. The only other alternative is to wait until I or Tim find a way
> to stop the issue from occuring in existing games.
>
> I apologize for the inconvenience.
>
> Magik"

Do you think rolling back is sufficient or do we need to remaster games...

Cheers,
Jochen
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>Do you think rolling back is sufficient or do we need to remaster games...

Magik has done wonders. Sometimes it is not worth trying to undo damage
- after all the games will end sometime anyway. I would continue with
the games as they are and accept that the Borg are sneaky, powerful
creatures. All hail the Borg!

When I first started playing VGAP (and a number of other games) I did
not know all the rules. I still remember the sense of wonder / delight /
awe / fear when something unexpected would happen.
--
Paul Honigmann
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On 13 Dez., 14:45, KlingonKommand <P... DeleteThis @nurk.fnord> wrote:

> not know all the rules. I still remember the sense of wonder / delight /
> awe / fear when something unexpected would happen.

Ah, then you can looking forward to the new combat...

Gabor
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> I'm not positive when this bug was actually introduced, ...

Hello Magik-

Do you keep a separate folder of source code for each version, or
perhaps use some software versioning system (Subversion, etc.)? If
so, wouldn't it be possible to do a source diff across versions to see
how/where the Borg bug was introduced, for example?

Obviously it's not that simple, so I'm kind of curious as to how your
process works.

By the way, keep up the good work! You're doing great things for the
game.
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On Dec 15, 6:01 am, Chugina....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you keep a separate folder of source code for each version, or
> perhaps use some software versioning system (Subversion, etc.)? If
> so, wouldn't it be possible to do a source diff across versions to see
> how/where the Borg bug was introduced, for example?

I keep the versions separated, even subversions that I have a group of
people help me test. I started out researching this bug by doing the
diffs, but it wasn't easily apparent. I did find and fix the bug;
it'll be released in host 213 shortly. It was related to the IMT
Spindizzy code. You can read the details here:
http://vgap.drewhead.org/perl/bb.cgi?a=s&i=1197636345.24291.

> Obviously it's not that simple, so I'm kind of curious as to how your
> process works.

It's simple sometimes and others not. The debugging tools built into
the compiler for this game's language are lacking, so I have to take
means that make debugging host runs take hours for even a simple test.

Magik
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