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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:43 pm
Post subject: DC Browser for LAN Adapter
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Everybody's tired of my eBay story... Back in April, a guy named Mikhail
Lubarsky from California sold me a Dreamcast LAN Adapter, falsely claiming
that it was the Broadband adapter that works with games. I've gone through
all the official methods of reporting this and trying to get my money
back, and after getting disappointing levels of support I've cancelled my
eBay and Paypal accounts. Life goes on.
In the spirit of making lemonade out of lemons, I'm trying to get some use
out of the LAN Adapter. I've read from a pretty reliable source that the
Dream Passport 2.0 software was released into the public domain by Sega of
Japan, and as a result some people have translated and re-relased the
software in other languages. There is a slightly different version of the
DPP 2.0 that works exclusively with the LAN Adapter, and in fact was
packaged with the thing.
On to the question: Does anybody know if the LAN Adapter version of this
software is also in the public domain? If so, does anybody have a source
for it, translated or not? The guys at Psilocybin Dreams have released a
version in their browser collection ( http://www.psilicybindreams.com )
but this appears to be the one that works with the modem and the Broadband
adapter only. Also, I know that Buyrite is selling the original software
for the surprisingly affordable price of $3.99. However, they got all
those discs by opening up LAN Adapter packages and selling the card as a
Broadband adapter, completely misrepresenting the product. So I don't want
to give them any money.
Sorry, long-winded. Any help is appreciated.
-KKC, who just wants to get minigames off his ISP and onto the VMU around
his neck. And Comcast doesn't support dial-up connections any more...
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:12 pm
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Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote[:
[snip]
> There is a slightly different version of the
> DPP 2.0 that works exclusively with the LAN Adapter, and in fact was
> packaged with the thing.
>
> On to the question: Does anybody know if the LAN Adapter version of this
> software is also in the public domain? If so, does anybody have a source
> for it, translated or not? The guys at Psilocybin Dreams have released a
> version in their browser collection ( http://www.psilicybindreams.com )
> but this appears to be the one that works with the modem and the Broadband
> adapter only. Also, I know that Buyrite is selling the original software
> for the surprisingly affordable price of $3.99. However, they got all
> those discs by opening up LAN Adapter packages and selling the card as a
> Broadband adapter, completely misrepresenting the product. So I don't want
> to give them any money.
[/snip]
Am I misunderstanding this post, or was there a LAN adaptor and the BBA?
If so, what's the difference?
I'd love to get my dreamcast connected to my LAN (play with DC linux
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 pm
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"Chris Bartram" <news.TakeThisOut@delete.me.piglet-net.net> wrote in message
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> Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote[:
>
> [snip]
> > There is a slightly different version of the
> > DPP 2.0 that works exclusively with the LAN Adapter, and in fact was
> > packaged with the thing.
> >
> > On to the question: Does anybody know if the LAN Adapter version of this
> > software is also in the public domain? If so, does anybody have a source
> > for it, translated or not? The guys at Psilocybin Dreams have released a
> > version in their browser collection ( http://www.psilicybindreams.com )
> > but this appears to be the one that works with the modem and the
Broadband
> > adapter only. Also, I know that Buyrite is selling the original software
> > for the surprisingly affordable price of $3.99. However, they got all
> > those discs by opening up LAN Adapter packages and selling the card as a
> > Broadband adapter, completely misrepresenting the product. So I don't
want
> > to give them any money.
> [/snip]
> Am I misunderstanding this post, or was there a LAN adaptor and the BBA?
> If so, what's the difference?
> I'd love to get my dreamcast connected to my LAN (play with DC linux
> perhaps?) but getting a BBA at a reasonable cost seems vey difficult.
I would have though a LAN adaptor would allow you the attachment of a
broadband modem/router?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 pm
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In article <cc6qlm$83o$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>,
scoota <nospamo DeleteThis @whamo.com> wrote:
>"Chris Bartram" <news DeleteThis @delete.me.piglet-net.net> wrote in message
>news:VNBFc.2970$JD2.25968805@news-text.cableinet.net...
>> Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote[:
>> [snip]
>> >
>> > On to the question: Does anybody know if the LAN Adapter version of this
>> > software is also in the public domain? If so, does anybody have a source
>> > for it, translated or not? The guys at Psilocybin Dreams have released a
>> > version in their browser collection ( http://www.psilicybindreams.com )
>> > but this appears to be the one that works with the modem and the Broadband
>> > adapter only. Also, I know that Buyrite is selling the original software
>> [/snip]
>> Am I misunderstanding this post, or was there a LAN adaptor and the BBA?
>> If so, what's the difference?
>> I'd love to get my dreamcast connected to my LAN (play with DC linux
>> perhaps?) but getting a BBA at a reasonable cost seems vey difficult.
>
>I would have though a LAN adaptor would allow you the attachment of a
>broadband modem/router?
This is one of the few things I can actually blame Sega for... There were
two network devices sold for the Dreamcast, not counting the pack-in
modems. The first was model number HIT-030X, a 10 mBit custom network card
that worked only with a specific version of the Dream Passport browser. No
games were written to support connectivity with this device, whch was
officially called the "Sega Dreamcast LAN Adapter" and sold only in Japan.
The second device is model number HIT-040X, a 10/100 card with a Realtek
ethernet chipset that ships with the Planetweb 3.0 browser and works with
Quake, Phantasy Star Online, and a couple of other games. This second card
is officially called the "Sega Dreamcast Broadband Adapter." Both devices
have RJ-45 female connectors and are indistinguishable from each other
once the stickers are removed.
A few unscrupulous retailers and resellers sold the first item claiming
that it was the second. Mikhail Lubarsky in San Jose, California is one
such seller. Buyrite Games and a couple of Asian websites also perpetrated
the same fraud. Since the LAN Adapter doesn't support any games, American
Dreamcast owners couldn't make use of the thing. However, developers and
hackers have found a use for the older LAN Adapter product in custom
applications like the Dreamcast port of Linux.
-KKC, who now wears a VMU around his neck at all times. Not that it's
anything to be proud of, you know. 
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 pm
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> -KKC, who now wears a VMU around his neck at all times. Not that it's
> anything to be proud of, you know.
>
I used to carry mine around in my pocket...until I saw that, hey, when you turn
off the VMU...it *stops* its count on the clock. So, like, at 2:30pm, if you turn
off your VMU...and turn it back on at 3:45...it'll *still* say 2:30. 
Bel
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 pm
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:51:46 -0500, Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
> A few unscrupulous retailers and resellers sold the first item claiming
> that it was the second. Mikhail Lubarsky in San Jose, California is one
> such seller. Buyrite Games and a couple of Asian websites also perpetrated
> the same fraud.
Oh, man. You don't mean:
http://www.buyritegames.com/
do you?
They don't seem much better in person than the buyer reports on USENET
I've read. I used to live where their brick-and-mortar stores are, and
they were the only video game store I avoided. It is true that they have
things that other stores don't have...where they get it, I don't
know...but when you see how they act in person, it just feels dirty.
Of course, the selling of LAN adaptors as BBAs doesn't come as any great
surprise to those who've been reading Buyrite horror stories for years.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 pm
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In article <40E70751.9BCD9B80.DeleteThis@no-spamev1.net>,
BelPowerslave <belpowerslave.DeleteThis@no-spamev1.net> wrote:
>> -KKC, who now wears a VMU around his neck at all times. Not that it's
>> anything to be proud of, you know.
>
>I used to carry mine around in my pocket...until I saw that, hey, when you turn
>off the VMU...it *stops* its count on the clock. So, like, at 2:30pm, if
>you turn
>off your VMU...and turn it back on at 3:45...it'll *still* say 2:30.
Uh, mine doesn't do that. In fact, I've had at least six different VMU's
in service from all three hardware revisions and none of them had any
problems keeping time in sleep mode. Was there another hardware version
that had a bug in the clock, or was there maybe a minigame that took over
the clock function in some way?
-KKC, who's now inspired to stop everything he's doing and code up a VMU
RPG that supports equipment trading through the link.
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a phone call from a mortgage company trying to make me - @io.com
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:33 pm
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> >I used to carry mine around in my pocket...until I saw that, hey, when you turn
> >off the VMU...it *stops* its count on the clock. So, like, at 2:30pm, if
> >you turn
> >off your VMU...and turn it back on at 3:45...it'll *still* say 2:30.
>
> Uh, mine doesn't do that. In fact, I've had at least six different VMU's
> in service from all three hardware revisions and none of them had any
> problems keeping time in sleep mode. Was there another hardware version
> that had a bug in the clock, or was there maybe a minigame that took over
> the clock function in some way?
>
Hmmmmm, interesting. The only minigame I've ever seriously played was Tiny Tetris
and that one from Skies of Arcadia...but on both, everytime I put it to sleep and
turn it back on, it refuses to keep track of time.
>
> -KKC, who's now inspired to stop everything he's doing and code up a VMU
> RPG that supports equipment trading through the link.
>
I'm still trying to find the damn page where I can download some of the user-made
DreamStudio adventures...
Bel
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:10 pm
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> > A few unscrupulous retailers and resellers sold the first item claiming
> > that it was the second. Mikhail Lubarsky in San Jose, California is one
> > such seller. Buyrite Games and a couple of Asian websites also perpetrated
> > the same fraud.
>
> Oh, man. You don't mean:
> http://www.buyritegames.com/
> do you?
>
I don't know that he was specifically thinking of them, but they'd fit just
about any desc. of "terrible online sellers". 
>
> They don't seem much better in person than the buyer reports on USENET
> I've read. I used to live where their brick-and-mortar stores are, and
> they were the only video game store I avoided. It is true that they have
> things that other stores don't have...where they get it, I don't
> know...but when you see how they act in person, it just feels dirty.
>
God, I can't imagine it being any worse than talking to those jackasses on the
phone....but man, seeing them in real life...you're right, it's probably
horrid. I hate Buyrite...
>
> Of course, the selling of LAN adaptors as BBAs doesn't come as any great
> surprise to those who've been reading Buyrite horror stories for years.
>
> Regards,
> matt
It amazes me that people still shop there....even moreso that people who have
shopped there haven't *all* been jacked in one way or another...
Bel
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:12 pm
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In article <40E74AED.FCCA8A21.TakeThisOut@ev1.net>,
BelPowerslave <belpowerslave.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote:
>> > A few unscrupulous retailers and resellers sold the first item claiming
>> > that it was the second. Mikhail Lubarsky in San Jose, California is one
>> > such seller. Buyrite Games and a couple of Asian websites also perpetrated
>> > the same fraud.
>>
>> Oh, man. You don't mean:
>> http://www.buyritegames.com/
>> do you?
>
>I don't know that he was specifically thinking of them, but they'd fit just
>about any desc. of "terrible online sellers".
That would be the one. Their specific fraud is well documented, thanks to
the Google archive and the Wayback logs. Essentially, they told you what
they were selling, that it was a different product, and then claimed that
it would do everything the Broadband adapter would to. On top of that,
they sold them loose and without the packed-in software, which is
presently available for separate purchase for $3.99
>> Of course, the selling of LAN adaptors as BBAs doesn't come as any great
>> surprise to those who've been reading Buyrite horror stories for years.
>
>It amazes me that people still shop there....even moreso that people who have
>shopped there haven't *all* been jacked in one way or another...
I gotta admit, I have bought from them in the past. Purchased some Saturn
stuff that was hard to get wrong, although one item that I thought was
going to be new ended up being used.
Ignoring the business practices for a moment, I found it interesting to
compare Buyrite and NCS, the very well-respected game importer based in
New York. Buyrite will bring over anything from Japan and try to sell it
to U.S.-based otaku for as long as they can. NCS, on the other hand, will
get their hands on stuff only if they think people want it. The example
that springs to mind is the Saturn fighting game Elan Doree, which got
some luke-warm reviews and was generally not well received. Buyrite had
hundreds of copies to pawn off, wheras NCS didn't keep it in stock.
-KKC, wondering how to fit five and ten-item combat menus on a VMU screen.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:43 pm
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Kendrick Kerwin Chua wrote:
> -KKC, who just wants to get minigames off his ISP and onto the VMU
> around his neck. And Comcast doesn't support dial-up connections any
> more...
iirc there is a PC to VMS linker available on Lik-sang or Playasia, will
that help?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 8:01 pm
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"Chris Bartram" <news DeleteThis @delete.me.piglet-net.net> wrote in message
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> Am I misunderstanding this post, or was there a LAN adaptor and the BBA?
> If so, what's the difference?
> I'd love to get my dreamcast connected to my LAN (play with DC linux
> perhaps?) but getting a BBA at a reasonable cost seems vey difficult.
Yes there is both a LAN adapter and a BBA. The LAN adapter does not support
any games. That is the major difference that I know of, I'm sure some knows
more about them.
Here is a old quote from Lik-Sang:
"We have received confirmation from customers who bought cheap adapters from
other sources that those versions are the old DC LAN Adapters from 1999 and
do not support the games or development tools. Those adapters do have a
model number of HIT-0300 instead of HIT-0401 and are marked as "DC LAN
Adapters" instead of "Broadband Adapters" on their box."
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:23 am
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In article <40EABB32.D9A8B6A5.RemoveThis@ev1.net>,
BelPowerslave <belpowerslave.RemoveThis@ev1.net> wrote:
>>
>> -KKC, wondering how to fit five and ten-item combat menus on a VMU screen.
>
>Whew...more power to you...if you figure it out, let me know....
Actually, Sega's gaming philsophy has come to the rescue here... You know
how Phantasy Star Online is supposed to operate independently of language
and national borders? I remembered that the point of the shout-out icons
and the online phrasebook was so that players from any country could play
with each other. Of course, the Xbox and Gamecube country lockouts got in
the way of that, but on the Dreamcast the developers were reaching high.
Then I remembered that one of the reasons I want to code an RPG on the VMU
is because the Nanwako Densetsu minigame didn't get translated when Climax
Landers was localized as Time Stalkers. Wouldn't it have been nice if the
menus in that game were icon-based instead of word-based, so that there
was less to translate?
So... Ten items on your menu? Line them up four wide and three high as a
menu of icons, saving two slots for 'Back' or 'Cancel' like you might find
on a browser window. Five items? Line them up across the bottom while you
make the game image a white-on-black negative to indicate that you're in a
menu. Easy stuff.
Now all I have to figure out is why they called the processor in this
thing the 'Potato' and my life will be complete.
-KKC, who's posted that eBay scammer's name in about four or five Usenet
posts and a bunch of web forums and is vaguely toying with the idea of
collecting all the URL's and sending them to him.
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> > Uh, mine doesn't do that. In fact, I've had at least six different VMU's
> > in service from all three hardware revisions and none of them had any
> > problems keeping time in sleep mode. Was there another hardware version
> > that had a bug in the clock, or was there maybe a minigame that took
over
> > the clock function in some way?
> >
>
> Hmmmmm, interesting. The only minigame I've ever seriously played was Tiny
Tetris
> and that one from Skies of Arcadia...but on both, everytime I put it to
sleep and
> turn it back on, it refuses to keep track of time.
Only problem I have with VMU's is that quite often when you turn off the DC,
the VMU stays on, and since my DC is in a kiosk *evil grin* and the VMU's
are held in with a big metal plate, the batteries run down very quickly as I
cant be bothered to unscrew them to hit sleep. Why didnt sega put an
auto-sleep timer on them?
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> > Hmmmmm, interesting. The only minigame I've ever seriously played was Tiny
> Tetris
> > and that one from Skies of Arcadia...but on both, everytime I put it to
> sleep and
> > turn it back on, it refuses to keep track of time.
>
> Only problem I have with VMU's is that quite often when you turn off the DC,
> the VMU stays on, and since my DC is in a kiosk *evil grin* and the VMU's
> are held in with a big metal plate, the batteries run down very quickly as I
> cant be bothered to unscrew them to hit sleep. Why didnt sega put an
> auto-sleep timer on them?
>
No clue, or, more importantly, why didn't they opt for the more affordable AAA
batteries.
Bel
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