Cooler weapon and armor names

On Nov 15, 5:04 am, Antoine <antoine.from.r....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi variant designers,
>
> I always felt some of the V object types were named a bit lamely and
> with too much D&D influence - like Metal Lamellar Armour, Lucerne
> Hammer, Large Wooden Shield.
>
> I have just gone through the object file and changed some names. Here
> are some of the new ones:
>
> Leather Cuirass
> Wolfskin
> Lacquered Leather
> Habergeon
> Mail-coat
> Cuirass
> Knightly Plate Armour (was Mithril)
> Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)
> Kite Shield
> Tower Shield
> Table Knife (was Broken Dagger)
> Dirk
> Greatsword
> Fell Blade (was Executioner's Sword)
> War Axe
> Berserker Axe
> Great Spiked Flail
> War Helm
> Great Helm
> Elven Arrow (was Mithril)
> Pair of Shoes (was Light Leather Boots)
>
> Any other designers have done this? Good ideas...?
>
> A.

Having more variety is good. However, mithril is originally Tolkien,
not D&D, so I'd keep the mithril armor. Elven arrows sounds neater,
IMO.

-Hiedran
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On Nov 16, 3:17 am, konijn_ <kon... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 15, 7:04 am, Antoine <antoine.from.r... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hi variant designers,
>
> > I always felt some of the V object types were named a bit lamely and
> > with too much D&D influence - like Metal Lamellar Armour, Lucerne
> > Hammer, Large Wooden Shield.
>
> > I have just gone through the object file and changed some names. Here
> > are some of the new ones:
>
> > [snip]
> > Any other designers have done this?
>
> I kept the originals and added new ones.

What did you add?

A.
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On Nov 16, 4:24 am, Timo Pietilä <timo.piet....TakeThisOut@helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Antoine wrote:

> > I have just gone through the object file and changed some names. Here
> > are some of the new ones:
>
> > Leather Cuirass
> > Wolfskin
> > Lacquered Leather
> > Habergeon
> > Mail-coat
> > Cuirass
>
> I have no idea what these are. What are you replacing with "cuirass"?

I forget - maybe the Metal Scale Mail?

> > Knightly Plate Armour (was Mithril)
>
> Mithril is Tolkien origin. I'd keep that one.

Yes there seems to be a bit of a consensus on this...

A.
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On 2007-11-15 13:04:22, Antoine <antoine.from.rgrd.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi variant designers,
>
> I always felt some of the V object types were named a bit lamely and
> with too much D&D influence - like Metal Lamellar Armour, Lucerne
> Hammer, Large Wooden Shield.
>
> I have just gone through the object file and changed some names. Here
> are some of the new ones:
>
> Leather Cuirass

Please remember to reduce the AC for cuirasses compared to what they're
replacing. Unlike proper armors, cuirasses don't have arm/leg protection at
all.

> Cuirass

Easier to visualize the AC reduction here; think conquistadors vs. plate-armored
knights.

> Knightly Plate Armour (was Mithril)

Tolkein is a formative influence on D&D. Mithril is a big import.

This substitution needs a large increase in weight, and elimination of acid
immunity.

> Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)

This substitution also needs a large increase in weight, and elimination of acid
immunity. Adamantite is an D&Dism, but it can be visualized as a "hypersteel"
-- it's at an absurd point in the weight/rigidity spectrum.

> Elven Arrow (was Mithril)

Cf. Unangband: racial equipment.

> Pair of Shoes (was Light Leather Boots)

Please reduce AC. [I'm not clear whether these should be AC1 or AC0.] Also, I
can't think of a good backstory excuse for this substitution.
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Antoine wrote:
> Hi variant designers,
>
> I always felt some of the V object types were named a bit lamely and
> with too much D&D influence - like Metal Lamellar Armour, Lucerne
> Hammer, Large Wooden Shield.

Lucerne hammer is real name for real weapon, it isn't D&D:ism. But it
isn't quite "priesty" weapon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucerne_hammer

Those "lame" names are quite informative. Other names don't tell you
what the item really is.

> I have just gone through the object file and changed some names. Here
> are some of the new ones:
>
> Leather Cuirass
> Wolfskin
> Lacquered Leather
> Habergeon
> Mail-coat
> Cuirass

I have no idea what these are. What are you replacing with "cuirass"?

> Knightly Plate Armour (was Mithril)

Mithril is Tolkien origin. I'd keep that one.

> Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)

"Royal Plate Armour"?

Timo Pietilä
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In article <fhhsl9$lof$1@news.vol.cz>,
Kenneth 'Bessarion' Boyd <zaimoni.DeleteThis@zaimoni.com> wrote:
> On 2007-11-15 13:04:22, Antoine <antoine.from.rgrd.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Hi variant designers,
> >
> > I always felt some of the V object types were named a bit lamely and
> > with too much D&D influence - like Metal Lamellar Armour, Lucerne
> > Hammer, Large Wooden Shield.
> >
> > I have just gone through the object file and changed some names. Here
> > are some of the new ones:
> >
> > Leather Cuirass

> Please remember to reduce the AC for cuirasses compared to what they're
> replacing. Unlike proper armors, cuirasses don't have arm/leg
> protection at all.

[Snip]
> > Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)

> This substitution also needs a large increase in weight, and elimination
> of acid immunity. Adamantite is an D&Dism, but it can be visualized as
> a "hypersteel" -- it's at an absurd point in the weight/rigidity
> spectrum.

Actually, it predated D&D. To quote my Oxford Dictionary - Adamantine
from Greek adamos - very hard metal or stone.

If you wiki it there are references in Norse mythology, The Faerie Queene,
Tolkein, and the King James Bible, plus the 1813 Websters dictionary.

--
Steve Clark

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It's a game, whatever you do should make it more fun! Personally, my favorite
weapons and armor in *bands are the "cool" ones that have interesting names
and/or properties (they don't necessarily need to be especially good or
magical):
Storm hammers, Blades of Chaos, Gnomish Picks, Falcon Swords,
Mithril/Adamantite Plate, Shadow Cloaks, etc.

Executioner's Sword and Fell Blade are both cool, if I were in your shoes I'd
include them both ^ ^

So on the whole I agree with you (although I do not agree with every single
change). How far is too far, that's your call. (Like, maybe you don't want
people finding ultra doomsabers on level 1. or maybe you do.)
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Timo Pietilä <timo.pietila DeleteThis @helsinki.fi> wrote in news:5q36lbFu6rfsU1
@mid.individual.net:
> Antoine wrote:

>> Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)
>
> "Royal Plate Armour"?

Both Kingly and Royal Plate makes me think of armor made for show
rather than real use, like gold-plated or with really fancy designs.
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On 2007-11-16 05:27:52, Billy Bissette <baines RemoveThis @coastalnet.com> wrote:

> Timo Pietilä wrote in news:5q36lbFu6rfsU1
> @mid.individual.net:
> > Antoine wrote:
>
> >> Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)
> >
> > "Royal Plate Armour"?
>
> Both Kingly and Royal Plate makes me think of armor made for show
> rather than real use, like gold-plated or with really fancy designs.

"Kingly Plate Armor" elicits Maximillian plate armor, to my mind.
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On 15 Nov, 15:24, Timo Pietilä <timo.piet....DeleteThis@helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Antoine wrote:
> > Hi variant designers,
>
> > I always felt some of the V object types were named a bit lamely and
> > with too much D&D influence - like Metal Lamellar Armour, Lucerne
> > Hammer, Large Wooden Shield.
>
> Lucerne hammer is real name for real weapon, it isn't D&D:ism. But it
> isn't quite "priesty" weapon.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucerne_hammer
>
I followed this link and a further link to see some pictures and
examples, and I think there's a very good case to be made for moving
it to the "polearms" category, even in Vanilla.

I agree with what has already been said on the subject of Adamantite
pre-dating D&D. IIRC, this has the same root as the adjective
"adamant" meaning stubborn or unyielding (i may be wrong though as I
don't have my dictionary in front of me). I believe Adamant used to
serve as the noun, too, but this is a pretty archaic usage nowadays.

Dave
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Billy Bissette wrote:
> Timo Pietilä <timo.pietila.DeleteThis@helsinki.fi> wrote in news:5q36lbFu6rfsU1
> @mid.individual.net:
>> Antoine wrote:
>
>>> Kingly Plate Armour (was Adamantite)
>> "Royal Plate Armour"?
>
> Both Kingly and Royal Plate makes me think of armor made for show
> rather than real use, like gold-plated or with really fancy designs.

Adamantine plte armour is very heavy, so changing it to royal and
imagining just what you imagined is approriate. Gold is heavy. Really
heavy. But also quite soft, so in order to support it it has to have
steel too. It can't rust, it is made for royal person. Because all of
those monsters it should also protect well.

Timo Pietilä
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On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:17:09 -0800 (PST), konijn_ <konijn RemoveThis @gmail.com>
wrote:

>Sure, I would also check wikipedia or other resources for the weight
>of those weapons.

Why? The existing weights in Angband aren't accurate.

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On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:52:01 +0000 (UTC), zaimoni <zaimoni.DeleteThis@zaimoni.com>
wrote:

>"Kingly Plate Armor" elicits Maximillian plate armor, to my mind.

In a Middle-Earth context, I think I'd want to call that Numenorean
Plate Armor. They'd have had the military mindset and advanced
technology to do it. The Noldor might have also made armor equivalent to
Maximillian plate.

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