Confusion in the Ranks

On 26 Oct 2006 18:51:16 -0700, Risser <peterrisser.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>If CitR is out, and I play Flight of Fancy & trade for someone else's
>enchantment, I still get to draw the two cards, right?

Yes. The FoF triggers upon coming into play, as does the CitR; the FoF
ability is controlled by you, and the CitR ability is controlled by the
CitR's controller. The control of FoF and the other enchantment does not
change until the CitR ability -resolves-, some time after both triggered
and went onto the stack... and doing so doesn't change the controller of the
FoF _ability_ in any way.

So yes, you draw two cards if it came into play under your control. (Note that
CitR does NOT make the permanents come into play under someone else's control
in ANY way.)

>Also, if I
>give my creature flight, it doesn't matter if someone else controls it,
>I think.

Right. The continuous ability doesn't really care who controls FoF _or_ the
creature, it just gives flying to enchanted creature. And exchanging control
of FoF for control of another permanent does NOT move FoF to some other
creature.

>Confusion in the Ranks {3RR} >Enchantment
>- Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment comes into play, its
>controller chooses target permanent another player controls that shares
>a type with it. Exchange control of those permanents.
>Flight of Fancy {3U} >Enchantment - Aura
>- Enchant creature
>- When Flight of Fancy comes into play, draw two cards.
>- Enchanted creature has flying.

Dave
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Okay, let's try this:
Confusion in the Ranks,
Lifeline,
Bronze Bombshell

Assuming there is another creature in play, will the BB continue to
bounce into play, switch sides, explode, then bounce back into play at
the end of each turn, until everyone is dead? And again, it doesn't
matter who controlls CitR or Lifeline?

Thanks!
Peter

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Confusion in the Ranks {3RR}
Enchantment
Mirrodin Rare
- Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment comes into play, its
controller chooses target permanent another player controls that shares
a type with it. Exchange control of those permanents.
***
Lifeline {5}
Artifact
Urza's Saga Rare
- Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from play and another
creature is in play, return the first creature from that graveyard to
play under its owner's control at end of turn.
***
Bronze Bombshell {4}
Artifact Creature - Construct 4/1
Dissension Rare
- When a player other than Bronze Bombshell's owner controls it, that
player sacrifices it. If the player does, Bronze Bombshell deals 7
damage to him or her.
***
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Risser <peterrisser.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, let's try this:
> Confusion in the Ranks,
> Lifeline,
> Bronze Bombshell
>
> Assuming there is another creature in play, will the BB continue to
> bounce into play, switch sides, explode, then bounce back into play at
> the end of each turn, until everyone is dead? And again, it doesn't
> matter who controlls CitR or Lifeline?

Well, assuming that there is still an artifact or creature under the
control of the non-owner for Confusion in the Ranks's exchange, and that
there is still another creature in play for Lifeline's trigger, yes.
Note that Bronze Bombshell's ability will never deal damage to its
owner.
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Yah, you guys are right. It will only blow up folk who have stuff to
trade with. Hmm. I'll just have to beat the other guys to death with
whatever I've stolen.

Okay, let's try this:
Confusion in the Ranks
Shrieking Drake (Flying; When Shrieking Drake comes into play, return a
creature you control to its owner's hand.)

I don't think this will work. Here's why:
- Let's say I stack the CitR's comes into play ability first, then the
Drake. Drake resolves, I return it to my hand, then CitR resolves and
I have nothing to exchange, so the exchange "fizzles".
- If I do Drake, then CitR, CitR resolves, I exchange, then I still
have to return something *I* control, which would be whatever I
switched it with, not the Drake. Now, if it said return "target
creature you control", that'd be swell, because I could target the
Drake, trade it, then return it. But it doesn't, so oh well.

Peter
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On 30 Oct 2006 20:11:00 -0800, Risser <peterrisser.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>Okay, let's try this:
>Confusion in the Ranks,
>Lifeline,
>Bronze Bombshell

<pause while we bring in a replacement judge to cover for the one that just
melted>

>Assuming there is another creature in play, will the BB continue to
>bounce into play, switch sides, explode, then bounce back into play at
>the end of each turn, until everyone is dead? And again, it doesn't
>matter who controlls CitR or Lifeline?

Bronze Bombshell 4 Artifact Creature - Construct
4/1 When a player other than ~'s owner controls it, that player sacrifices it.
If the player does, ~ deals 7 damage to him or her.
Confusion in the Ranks 3RR Enchantment
Whenever an artifact, creature, or enchantment comes into play, its controller
chooses target permanent another player controls that shares a type with it.
Exchange control of those permanents.
Lifeline 5 Artifact
Whenever a creature is put into a graveyard from play and another creature is
in play, return the first creature from that graveyard to play under its
owner's control at end of turn.

Well, I see a small problem in this scenario; you're assuming the opponent
of the BB's owner has an unending supply of artifacts or creatures (or both)
for the BB to switch with through CitR. Once that opponent runs out of
artifacts and creatures (meaning the Lifeline is gonna end up under the BB's
owner's control if it wasn't to start with, though that doesn't make much
difference), the next time the BB comes into play, the CitR ability will
tigger, find there's no legal target to pick, and get removed from the stack,
and the BB will sit there in play under its owner's control.

So add a way to give that opponent a creature or artifact repeatedly - ideally
in response to the Lifeline delayed triggered ability - and then yeah, the
loop keeps repeating once per each player's turn until all opponents are dead,
as near as I can see.

Dave
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On 31 Oct 2006 04:50:00 -0800, Risser <peterrisser.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Yah, you guys are right. It will only blow up folk who have stuff to
>trade with. Hmm. I'll just have to beat the other guys to death with
>whatever I've stolen.

Or keep giving them something new to trade away, of course. Forbidden Orchard
is good at this, I hear.

>Okay, let's try this:
>Confusion in the Ranks
>Shrieking Drake (Flying; When Shrieking Drake comes into play, return a
>creature you control to its owner's hand.)

If it's your CitR, you may stack these two in either order. But:

>I don't think this will work. Here's why:
> - Let's say I stack the CitR's comes into play ability first, then the
>Drake. Drake resolves, I return it to my hand, then CitR resolves and
>I have nothing to exchange, so the exchange "fizzles".

Fails To Proceed. Correct.

> - If I do Drake, then CitR, CitR resolves, I exchange, then I still
>have to return something *I* control, which would be whatever I
>switched it with, not the Drake. Now, if it said return "target
>creature you control", that'd be swell, because I could target the
>Drake, trade it, then return it. But it doesn't, so oh well.

Right. So this is a Not So Combo-y combo, correct.

Dave
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