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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:12 am
Post subject: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:13 am
Post subject: Re: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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eddysterckx.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Review : http://www.gamesquad.com/index.php?option=com_articles&id=8&pform=&aid=179
>
> Perhaps the review which most closely matches my view of the game so
> I'm not going to comment on it 
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
Here's a mirror image of that review:
.....the developer's chose a hypothetical Syria for the setting and
that was perfect! Beats WWI, WWII and all the others rolled into one.
....I love that the new Quick Battle generator doesn't make a new,
random map. I hated that feature in the original games and so I like
how it's hamstringed.
....Dug the new RTS mode, made me feel at home. Great addition!
....I jumped right into a game and found that the graphics were the
most realistic looking things since '77's "Star Wars". Freaking
amazing.
....This has the best GUI in any game evahhhhhh. And the panning/
scrolling for the camera was smooth and easy to use! Glad that they
did away with that spacebar info screen thingie too. That was a waste
of time.
....In this new CM, the command lines plow right through the lay of the
land which is brilliant. In the old one, they followed the lay of the
land. Can't even get a straight command line in that old game. And
it's cool now that you can't adjust the waypoints. Instead I get to
delete the whole thing and start over.
....Pathfinding. Now that is some good stuff. Love that Strykers do
indian tribal dances out in front of the OpFor. Brilliant - and
entertaining! That's how you approach the enemy lines my friend!
....There's lots of game killers in this one and they make the CMSF
experience more than a little annoying. Great way to waste your
Saturday afternoon!
....This game is quirky and it definitely took one step forward AND one
step backwards from the original series. I think there's a game in
there folks!
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:19 am
Post subject: Re: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 12 dec, 10:13, GJK <j....TakeThisOut@garykrockover.com> wrote:
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> ...This game is quirky and it definitely took one step forward AND one
> step backwards from the original series. I think there's a game in
> there folks!
>
> Final Rating: 3
So I take it you found the review not harsh enough ?
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx >> Stay informed about: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:21 am
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On Dec 12, 3:19 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
<eddyster....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 dec, 10:13, GJK <j....DeleteThis@garykrockover.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > ...This game is quirky and it definitely took one step forward AND one
> > step backwards from the original series. I think there's a game in
> > there folks!
>
> > Final Rating: 3
>
> So I take it you found the review not harsh enough ?
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
The final score doesn't match his review. What he wrote was right on
- he's bashing the snot out of the thing, and then he gives it a 7.
Hence, the 3 in my review of praise. >> Stay informed about: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:57 am
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On 12 dec, 10:21, GJK <j... RemoveThis @garykrockover.com> wrote:
> The final score doesn't match his review. What he wrote was right on
> - he's bashing the snot out of the thing, and then he gives it a 7.
> Hence, the 3 in my review of praise.
Ah, ok, I completely missed the score
Hm indeed, but given that their absolute bottom score when doing a
review is a "6" ...
http://www.gamesquad.com/index.php?option=com_articles&id=8
Incidentally - I used to look a lot at scores, but over the years I've
come around to Jim Zabek's pov which is that they refuse to give
scores, but instead "force" you to read the review and get a more
accurate picture.
Is it a "7" because the game is excellent, but there are too many bugs
- or is it a "7" because of stinkin' gameplay, but rock-solid code ?
The first can be remedied by patches, the latter can't and the only
way to find out is to actually read the review.
Greetz,
Eddy Sterckx >> Stay informed about: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:03 am
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On Dec 12, 3:57 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
<eddyster... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 12 dec, 10:21, GJK <j... DeleteThis @garykrockover.com> wrote:
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> > The final score doesn't match his review. What he wrote was right on
> > - he's bashing the snot out of the thing, and then he gives it a 7.
> > Hence, the 3 in my review of praise.
>
> Ah, ok, I completely missed the score
>
> Hm indeed, but given that their absolute bottom score when doing a
> review is a "6" ...
>
> http://www.gamesquad.com/index.php?option=com_articles&id=8
>
> Incidentally - I used to look a lot at scores, but over the years I've
> come around to Jim Zabek's pov which is that they refuse to give
> scores, but instead "force" you to read the review and get a more
> accurate picture.
>
> Is it a "7" because the game is excellent, but there are too many bugs
> - or is it a "7" because of stinkin' gameplay, but rock-solid code ?
>
> The first can be remedied by patches, the latter can't and the only
> way to find out is to actually read the review.
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
Well if 6 is their baseline given the 5 numbers have a weight of 20%
each, then a 7 actually equates to a "4" on a 1-10 scale which more
closely matches the written review. My take away from the review is
that the game play is ok or better than average, but there's too many
bugs preventing it from being excellent. We'll see what future
patches have in store for it I suppose. >> Stay informed about: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:00 pm
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On Dec 12, 2:12 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
<eddyster... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Review :http://www.gamesquad.com/index.php?option=com_articles&id=8&pform=&ai...
>
> Perhaps the review which most closely matches my view of the game so
> I'm not going to comment on it
>
> Greetz,
>
> Eddy Sterckx
There is not a word in the review about human vs. human play. >> Stay informed about: Combat Mission : Shock Force - the GameSquad review |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:40 pm
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In article <c56cdda3-64b8-458a-8324-7f4c633ae503
@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, junk DeleteThis @garykrockover.com says...
> Yeah, but in fairness to the tactical level games, I would *think*
> that pathfinding on a strategic/operational level is one thing while
> doing the same for the smaller scale quite another. A stryker doing
> the indian dance in front of the enemy lines because it is navigating
> terrain obstacles (while ignoring the obvious dangers) isn't going to
> be translated to a regiment deciding to use a road or mountain pass to
> reach an objective area. I'm not a HTTR/COTA player though, so I may
> be missing something here....
In counterpoint, though, I do seem to recall other operational-esque
games that couldn't manage this trick that HTTR/COTA makes look so easy.
It was after HTTR appeared, IIRC, that I excoriated the programmers of
FLASHPOINT: GERMANY because the pathfinding there was so incredibly
insane that the AI managed to attack *across its own minefields*.
And in the case of CC:MT, it's just so over-the-top appalling that I
don't think I can muster any "fairness" whatsoever. I'm drawing series
of waypoints *ten meters apart* and my vehicles still can't confidently
*just drive down the road*. I mean, I could understand how sometimes a
fiendishly juxtaposed set of obstacles could engender a stupid-loop, but
vehicles in CC:MT often sit there jitterbugging instead of just driving
down roads.
--
Giftzwerg
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:00 pm
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"GJK" <junk.TakeThisOut@garykrockover.com> wrote in message
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> On Dec 12, 3:19 am, "eddyster...@hotmail.com"
> <eddyster....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 12 dec, 10:13, GJK <j....TakeThisOut@garykrockover.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > ...This game is quirky and it definitely took one step forward AND one
>> > step backwards from the original series. I think there's a game in
>> > there folks!
>>
>> > Final Rating: 3
>>
>> So I take it you found the review not harsh enough ?
>>
>> Greetz,
>>
>> Eddy Sterckx
>
> The final score doesn't match his review. What he wrote was right on
> - he's bashing the snot out of the thing, and then he gives it a 7.
> Hence, the 3 in my review of praise.
>
I bet the reviewer was afraid of being sacked like the one at GameSpot
<<Evil Grin>>
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