Welcome to GameHourz.com!
FAQFAQ      ProfileProfile    Private MessagesPrivate Messages   Log inLog in

Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements

 
   Game Forums (Home) -> City of Heroes RSS
Next:  Training an Elite pet?  
Author Message
Amigoid

External


Since: Jun 05, 2007
Posts: 108



(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 9:12 am
Post subject: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements
Archived from groups: alt>games>coh (more info?)

I understand that Invention Enhancements (why are they called IOs?)
don't lose effectiveness as the character levels up. Basically, a
Level 10 IO is still effective at player level 18, where normal
enhancements will be useless at that point.

What I don't know is, if I am level 15, do I need to slot the
Invention enhancement as a level 18 enhancement to get the best
result?

If I am 15, and the IO is level 12, which is lower but still usable,
will the bonus gained from the enhancement be the same as if I had
slotted an 18 Invention enhancement instead?

 >> Stay informed about: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements 
Back to top
Login to vote
Amigoid

External


Since: Jun 05, 2007
Posts: 108



(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:41 am
Post subject: Re: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Aug 10, 10:24 am, John Parkinson <jp--usenet--spam--
t... DeleteThis @destiny.org.uk> wrote:
> Amigoid wrote:
> > I understand that Invention Enhancements (why are they called IOs?)
> > don't lose effectiveness as the character levels up. Basically, a
> > Level 10 IO is still effective at player level 18, where normal
> > enhancements will be useless at that point.
>
> > What I don't know is, if I am level 15, do I need to slot the
> > Invention enhancement as a level 18 enhancement to get the best
> > result?
>
> > If I am 15, and the IO is level 12, which is lower but still usable,
> > will the bonus gained from the enhancement be the same as if I had
> > slotted an 18 Invention enhancement instead?
>
> The bonus gained from an IO is static based on the level of the IO.
> The only relevance your level has to the IO is that you can't use IOs of
> more than +3 to your level.
>
> Level Sched B Sched A Sched C Sched D
> ---------------------------------------
> 10 0.07 0.117 0.14 0.21
> 11 0.08 0.133 0.16 0.24
> 12 0.09 0.15 0.18 0.27
> 13 0.1 0.167 0.2 0.3 <-- Even-level DO Value
> 14 0.108 0.179 0.215 0.323
> 15 0.115 0.192 0.231 0.346 <-- +3 DO Value
> 16 0.123 0.205 0.246 0.369
> 17 0.131 0.218 0.262 0.392
> 18 0.138 0.231 0.277 0.415
> 19 0.146 0.243 0.292 0.438
> 20 0.154 0.256 0.308 0.462
> 21 0.162 0.269 0.323 0.485
> 22 0.169 0.282 0.338 0.508
> 23 0.177 0.295 0.354 0.531
> 24 0.185 0.307 0.369 0.554
> 25 0.192 0.32 0.385 0.577
> 26 0.2 0.333 0.4 0.6 <-- Even-level SO Value
> 27 0.202 0.337 0.405 0.607
> 28 0.205 0.341 0.409 0.614
> 29 0.207 0.344 0.414 0.62
> 30 0.209 0.348 0.418 0.627
> 31 0.211 0.352 0.423 0.634
> 32 0.214 0.356 0.427 0.641
> 33 0.216 0.359 0.432 0.648
> 34 0.218 0.363 0.436 0.655
> 35 0.22 0.367 0.441 0.661
> 36 0.223 0.371 0.445 0.668
> 37 0.225 0.375 0.45 0.675
> 38 0.227 0.378 0.455 0.682
> 39 0.23 0.382 0.459 0.689 <-- +3 SO Value
> 40 0.232 0.386 0.464 0.695
> 41 0.234 0.39 0.468 0.702
> 42 0.236 0.394 0.473 0.709
> 43 0.239 0.397 0.477 0.716
> 44 0.241 0.401 0.482 0.723
> 45 0.243 0.405 0.486 0.73
> 46 0.245 0.409 0.491 0.736
> 47 0.248 0.412 0.495 0.743
> 48 0.25 0.416 0.5 0.75
> 49 0.252 0.42 0.505 0.757
> 50 0.255 0.424 0.509 0.764
> 51 0.257 0.428 0.514 0.77
> 52 0.259 0.431 0.518 0.777
> 53 0.261 0.435 0.523 0.784
>
> Note: all enhancement types are Schedule A, except for:
>
> Schedule B: Defense, Damage Resistance, ToHit Buff, ToHit DeBuff, Range
> Schedule C: Interrupt Reduction
> Schedule D: Knockback
>
> --
> John Parkinson

So, what I discern from this:

I have a Martial arts scrapper with bonesnap 3-slot set on her two
kicks. She has standard IOs installed for all of her powers, and she
has the JAUNT set slotted in her teleport. She was level 10-ish when
she got the IO's which were at or above her level when they were
applied. (same goes for the Jaunt set when she got her travel power)

When she hits the 40's she may want to re-install the same set but at
that higher level the comparative boost will make them worth more
(work better than...) an equally slotted SO without taking into
account bonuses gained from specialty sets.

Meanwhile, she can rack up influence, since she will not be broke
looking for new enhancements every 4-5 levels, right?
(and yeah, I realize that it cost more up front to build her with IO's
from the start, but she had my level 48 as a sugar daddy buying all
the goods).
If she scores a good SO, she can use it, and anything else she gets
can either be A: Shared with the SG, or B: used to finance planned
purchases of recipies and ingredients for the IO's she wants.

Semi-unrelated: What Invention Enhancement specialty set would you
recommend for using on TP foe to buff its accuracy? At lot of folks
eschew using that and just use the TP friend (unbuffed) and the
Teleport travel power, but it seems to be very useful for her as a way
to thin down mobs when she solos and even when it fails, it works fine
to pull a small subset to her location (just in case she gets stomped
she wants them to walk away so she can revive...).

 >> Stay informed about: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements 
Back to top
Login to vote
John Parkinson

External


Since: Jan 07, 2005
Posts: 341



(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:56 pm
Post subject: Re: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Amigoid wrote:
> I understand that Invention Enhancements (why are they called IOs?)
> don't lose effectiveness as the character levels up. Basically, a
> Level 10 IO is still effective at player level 18, where normal
> enhancements will be useless at that point.
>
> What I don't know is, if I am level 15, do I need to slot the
> Invention enhancement as a level 18 enhancement to get the best
> result?
>
> If I am 15, and the IO is level 12, which is lower but still usable,
> will the bonus gained from the enhancement be the same as if I had
> slotted an 18 Invention enhancement instead?

The bonus gained from an IO is static based on the level of the IO.
The only relevance your level has to the IO is that you can't use IOs of
more than +3 to your level.

Level Sched B Sched A Sched C Sched D
---------------------------------------
10 0.07 0.117 0.14 0.21
11 0.08 0.133 0.16 0.24
12 0.09 0.15 0.18 0.27
13 0.1 0.167 0.2 0.3 <-- Even-level DO Value
14 0.108 0.179 0.215 0.323
15 0.115 0.192 0.231 0.346 <-- +3 DO Value
16 0.123 0.205 0.246 0.369
17 0.131 0.218 0.262 0.392
18 0.138 0.231 0.277 0.415
19 0.146 0.243 0.292 0.438
20 0.154 0.256 0.308 0.462
21 0.162 0.269 0.323 0.485
22 0.169 0.282 0.338 0.508
23 0.177 0.295 0.354 0.531
24 0.185 0.307 0.369 0.554
25 0.192 0.32 0.385 0.577
26 0.2 0.333 0.4 0.6 <-- Even-level SO Value
27 0.202 0.337 0.405 0.607
28 0.205 0.341 0.409 0.614
29 0.207 0.344 0.414 0.62
30 0.209 0.348 0.418 0.627
31 0.211 0.352 0.423 0.634
32 0.214 0.356 0.427 0.641
33 0.216 0.359 0.432 0.648
34 0.218 0.363 0.436 0.655
35 0.22 0.367 0.441 0.661
36 0.223 0.371 0.445 0.668
37 0.225 0.375 0.45 0.675
38 0.227 0.378 0.455 0.682
39 0.23 0.382 0.459 0.689 <-- +3 SO Value
40 0.232 0.386 0.464 0.695
41 0.234 0.39 0.468 0.702
42 0.236 0.394 0.473 0.709
43 0.239 0.397 0.477 0.716
44 0.241 0.401 0.482 0.723
45 0.243 0.405 0.486 0.73
46 0.245 0.409 0.491 0.736
47 0.248 0.412 0.495 0.743
48 0.25 0.416 0.5 0.75
49 0.252 0.42 0.505 0.757
50 0.255 0.424 0.509 0.764
51 0.257 0.428 0.514 0.77
52 0.259 0.431 0.518 0.777
53 0.261 0.435 0.523 0.784

Note: all enhancement types are Schedule A, except for:

Schedule B: Defense, Damage Resistance, ToHit Buff, ToHit DeBuff, Range
Schedule C: Interrupt Reduction
Schedule D: Knockback

--
John Parkinson
 >> Stay informed about: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements 
Back to top
Login to vote
Shenanigunner

External


Since: Mar 16, 2007
Posts: 84



(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Somewhere, Amigoid wrote:
> I understand that Invention Enhancements (why are they called IOs?)

All of the other types are "something Origin" - Training Origin, Dual
Origin, Single Origin, Hamidon Origin - even if those names aren't quite
correct. So Invention Origin follows.

--
= The UPDATED v1.80 Keybind, Macro & Emote Guide for I8
= is available on HEROICA! - http://www.dgath.com/coh/
= @Shenanigunner (Victory server) & the ALTGAMESCOH channel
 >> Stay informed about: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements 
Back to top
Login to vote
Robotech_Master

External


Since: Jan 11, 2005
Posts: 247



(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:07 am
Post subject: Re: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:41:13 -0700, Amigoid <lbrown-amigoid.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> When she hits the 40's she may want to re-install the same set but
> at that higher level the comparative boost will make them worth
> more (work better than...) an equally slotted SO without taking
> into account bonuses gained from specialty sets.

You'll also want to replace the "normal" IOs with either higher-level
IOs or DO/SOs, because the level of IO you can get at level 10 is not
going to be as effective as those.

> Meanwhile, she can rack up influence, since she will not be broke
> looking for new enhancements every 4-5 levels, right?
> (and yeah, I realize that it cost more up front to build her with IO's
> from the start, but she had my level 48 as a sugar daddy buying all
> the goods).

It's only once you hit level 27 or so that you'll really be able to
stick IOs in and leave them there, because until that point, the SOs
you can get will be more effective. (Though given ED, you can start
3-slotting things and leaving them a few levels earlier than that, if
you don't care about the 1-2% difference in final effectiveness.)

--
Chris Meadows aka | WWW: http://www.terrania.us | Somebody
Robotech_Master | ICQ: 5477383 AIM: RoboMastr | help, I'm
robotech.master.RemoveThis@gmail.com | Skype, LJ-Gizmo: Robotech_Master | trapped in
robotech.RemoveThis@eyrie.org | Yahoo: robotech_master_2000 | a sig file!
 >> Stay informed about: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements 
Back to top
Login to vote
Vorlonagent

External


Since: Jun 19, 2006
Posts: 181



(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:56 am
Post subject: Re: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Robotech_Master" <robotech.TakeThisOut@eyrie.org> wrote in message
news:slrnfbpvdq.jrp.robotech@terrania.homelinux.org...
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:41:13 -0700, Amigoid <lbrown-amigoid.TakeThisOut@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> When she hits the 40's she may want to re-install the same set but
>> at that higher level the comparative boost will make them worth
>> more (work better than...) an equally slotted SO without taking
>> into account bonuses gained from specialty sets.
>
> You'll also want to replace the "normal" IOs with either higher-level
> IOs or DO/SOs, because the level of IO you can get at level 10 is not
> going to be as effective as those.

Put another way, your IO does NOT grow with you. It stays the same. If
you buy a level 10 IO, it will always give TO-grade performance, even at
level 50.

There are a handful fo set IOs where this doesn't matter. The ones that
give special abilities, like KB resistance or chance for extra damage.
Those things aren't level driven so any size will do as good as any other.

Level on any IO confers the right to slot it and nothing more. A level 15
cannot slot a level 40 IO. A level 40 can slot alevel 15 IO. Except for a
few special cases, (see above) it would beg the question "why?"


>> Meanwhile, she can rack up influence, since she will not be broke
>> looking for new enhancements every 4-5 levels, right?
>> (and yeah, I realize that it cost more up front to build her with IO's
>> from the start, but she had my level 48 as a sugar daddy buying all
>> the goods).
>
> It's only once you hit level 27 or so that you'll really be able to
> stick IOs in and leave them there, because until that point, the SOs
> you can get will be more effective. (Though given ED, you can start
> 3-slotting things and leaving them a few levels earlier than that, if
> you don't care about the 1-2% difference in final effectiveness.)

I consider level 25s to be quite acceptable. I don't care about the few
%tage points.

One point: I NEVER shop for enhancement sets ahead of level 22. There is
simply no point. They'll be obsolete as compared to the (level 25) SOs I
can get starting at 22 (or the SO-grade IOs) so I don't consider there to be
much point to it. Exceptions made for useful enahncemnts I get through
drops.


--
John Trauger,
Vorlonagent

"Methane martini.
Shaken, not stirred."

Vorlonagent (M), level 50 Blaster (Electric/Energy), Guardian
Fury- (F), Level 41 Brute (Energy/Energy), Liberty
Dr. Akagi (F), Level 40 Mastermind (Robots/Traps), Guardian
Lemon Tree (F), Level 40 Scrapper (Spine/Invuln), Liberty
RolIing Thunder (F), Level 38 Defender (Storm/Electric), Infinity
Pulsar Staraven (F), Level 33 Controller (Grav/Rad), Liberty
 >> Stay informed about: Need Clairification on Invention Enhancements 
Back to top
Login to vote
Display posts from previous:   
Related Topics:
What server does veryone play on? - I'm Liberty here, my main hero is Gacrux lvl 50 Eng/Eng Blaster, and my main villain is Stigma X lvl 39(for about an hour) Eng/Eng Brute

The Comic book - Some spoilers but, hell, you can read the damn thing on line... Well I just read Issue #10 of the new, improved comic. I have come to the decision that it's not an improvement. The universe is dark, b ut that's not unexpected, but the heroes cas...

Playing it on Vista Feb CTP possible? - Has anyone successfully played this game on the Vista Feb CTP? All my attempts didn't work out, so I wonder how it does work if it's possible to do that. ~T.

COV Missions, waves at end - I seem to be getting a lot of missions where the "complete" message comes up and half the group leaves. Just then the first of three or four waves of baddies --sometimes pretty damn big groups comes running in. Tonight I had the mish with Ba...

CoV Gear - Would someone please provide the link to the CoV DVD version "gear" that you can get without buying the box.....I can't find it anywhere. Dave
   Game Forums (Home) -> City of Heroes All times are: Ekaterinburg, Islamabad, Karachi, Tashkent (change)
Page 1 of 1

 
You can post new topics in this forum
You can reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



[ Contact us | Terms of Service/Privacy Policy ]