[Q] What Are The Characteristics of a Hardcore Raiding Gui..

"Newsgroups" <mtp1032 DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>
> Cheers,
>

Your requirements to join must include a ridiculous amount of epics that you
can only get via raiding in the first place.

At least 75% of your members must be elitist jerks.

Once per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official WoW
forums about how much you pwn.

Twice per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official WoW
forums about how much other people hate you.

You must use the Trade, LFG and other public chat channels as if you
yourself are the moderator and the channels exist for your own personal
discussions... usually about how much someone else sucks.

....that's all I can think of right now. However, one of the raiding guilds
on my server requires its members to have a redundant internet connection -
that is, some other way of connecting to the internet if your Cable/DSL goes
down.
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Ieyasu wrote:
> "Newsgroups" <mtp1032.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:QMCdnYihzKpHzwPbnZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d@comcast.com...
>> I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>
> Your requirements to join must include a ridiculous amount of epics that you
> can only get via raiding in the first place.
>
> At least 75% of your members must be elitist jerks.
>
> Once per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official WoW
> forums about how much you pwn.
>
> Twice per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official WoW
> forums about how much other people hate you.
>
> You must use the Trade, LFG and other public chat channels as if you
> yourself are the moderator and the channels exist for your own personal
> discussions... usually about how much someone else sucks.

You forgot the most important one:

You must have NO life outside of WoW at ALL.
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I wish I could be in a guild like that in my guild after the first 20g
repair "suddenly" many have to go urgently :s A lot are not prepared to wipe
for progress, I never had that problem with wow and money. And there are
always a LOT more signing for a farm instance than something that has to be
done first time.
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Newsgroups wrote:
> I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?

I'd say hardcore raiders are in Hyal/BT right now.
at least 5, better 6-7 raiding days, with at least 4 hours, better 6.
raid attendance will be 75% plus and thus the whole group will only be
about 40 people.

being prepared with buff mats, pots, elixirs, flasks, isn't something
which distinguishes hard core from less hard core, because every non
casual raiding guild will ask for that.

Urs

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US> I'd say hardcore raiders are in Hyal/BT right now.
US> at least 5, better 6-7 raiding days, with at least 4 hours, better 6.
US> raid attendance will be 75% plus and thus the whole group will only be
US> about 40 people.

Good description. Raid attendance is the most important thing to progress.
For example I have a lot of raid attendance and I have almost full tier 4
and rest various epics (1-2 blues). While some other people from my guild
are still mostly in blues. Because of those people the rest of us can't
progress.
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On Jul 18, 1:50 pm, "Newsgroups" <mtp1... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>
> Cheers,

- unemployed
- if they're clearing the final instances, they're european
- no grrls.
- gold buyers
- L337 5P3AK3R5 only NOOB!

Ok now for the serious response...aside from strong guild management
and guidelines, and significant time commitments from the dedicated
raid members, I doubt there's any other universal similarities. My
stereotypic points have all been claims made against Nihilium at some
point or another, and they bear some truth but not completely.
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Hello, John!
You wrote on Wed, 18 Jul 2007 19:19:01 +0000 (UTC):

??>> I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?

JG> Hardcore raiding guilds raid. A lot. Generally at least four nights a
JG> week, four to six hours per night. Members are expected to commit to
JG> this schedule.

How would you describe my guild... we raid every night BUT you dont have to
be in raids if you can't or don't feel like it.
(still I don't ike it too much. true we dont HAVE to be in raids but hose
who go every now and then have sucky gear and can't do well in the places we
progress, 1 of our warriors got 1 shotted by maulgar yesterday cause he
wasnt raiding 2 months and his gear was way behind our MT that has 20k hp
buffed these days)

JG> Members are expected to show up for raids on time and prepared. This
JG> usually means that you've spent additional time collecting materials
JG> for consumables such as potions, buff food, sharpening stones, mana
JG> oil, etc.

Well not being in time is just rude to all the others that are waiting in
time prepared and then have to wait you too...

JG> Members are expected to have the best gear they can get. A lot of it
JG> will come from boss drops, but there is still a lot to do on your own.
JG> Enchants and gems take a lot of gold. Some factions have very nice
JG> reward items which require Exalted reputation, which can be a long
JG> grind. Some crafted gear is very nice, so you might have to farm up
JG> materials for that.

Well raid places aren't exactly easy and every bit helps and since you can
get a lot of improvement form enchants/gems you should have them, not becaue
the guild says so but because hopefully you want to give your maximum (if
you don't your guild can't progress).

JG> In short, hardcore raiding is a significant time commitment, both for
JG> the actual raids themselves and in preparing for raids.

We are raiding every day from 21,00 to 23,30... damn I wish we would raid
more at least from 20.00 to 00.00. I <3 raiding ^^
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On Jul 18, 3:19 pm, John Gordon <gor... DeleteThis @panix.com> wrote:
> In <QMCdnYihzKpHzwPbnZ2dnUVZ_v2un... DeleteThis @comcast.com> "Newsgroups" <mtp1... DeleteThis @comcast.net> writes:
>
> > I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>
> Hardcore raiding guilds raid. A lot. Generally at least four nights a
> week, four to six hours per night. Members are expected to commit to
> this schedule.
>
> Members are expected to show up for raids on time and prepared. This
> usually means that you've spent additional time collecting materials for
> consumables such as potions, buff food, sharpening stones, mana oil, etc.
>
> Members are expected to have the best gear they can get. A lot of it will
> come from boss drops, but there is still a lot to do on your own. Enchants
> and gems take a lot of gold. Some factions have very nice reward items
> which require Exalted reputation, which can be a long grind. Some crafted
> gear is very nice, so you might have to farm up materials for that.
>
> In short, hardcore raiding is a significant time commitment, both for
> the actual raids themselves and in preparing for raids.
>
> --
> John Gordon A is for Amy, who fell down the stairs
> gor... DeleteThis @panix.com B is for Basil, assaulted by bears
> -- Edward Gorey, "The Gashlycrumb Tinies"

That was a great explanation. Most hardcore guilds, especially ones
that progress quickly have a large core base that is either IRL
friends or has become IRL friends since the guild started. I've only
run into one 2 guild in my time that progress as fast if not faster
that has neither of these.

If your question is related to trying to join a "hardcore" guild, from
personal experience, don't. Its a huge time commitment not only for
the actual raids but the rep grinds, the skill grinds, and material
grinds for your raiding. You end up spending about 6-9hrs a day 6-7
days a week either farming or raiding. I remember when Naxx came out,
my guild spent almost 16hr straight in there downing bosses. and over
the course of the first week the guild spent roughly 90hrs in there.
When BC came out it was just as insane. The whole guild helped lvl 10
people that were chosen by lottery. They were power lvl'd by
roommates as well as the actual player. They were run through
hellfire citidal until honored and Coilfang until honored, with the
exception of one rogue and a mage who did an amazing job of lvling at
bascially the same rate completely on their own. we had 11 70s within
7 days of BC coming out. They were all crazy. Great people but
utterly obsessed.

Since that experience I have quit hardcore raiding and "hardcore"
guilds, partly because of work/life and partly because the game
becomes a job and less of a game. My current guild is literally the
best guild I've ever been in. It has no "core IRL" friends its all
guild mates that me and a couple other Online friends have met over
the course of wow. We all quit our main 70s and rerolled on a new
server, we brought with us the best we could find, and man it worked
out. We are the fastest progressing guild on the server. 2 weeks
after entering Kara we had the entire place on farm, 4 weeks after
entering Kara we had 2 kara groups who did full 1 night clears and
Gruul on farm. We start SSC this weeek, its taken a while to stack
all the primals/ore/cloth/ and other mats to make the resist gear.
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On Jul 18, 12:19 pm, John Gordon <gor....TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote:
> Members are expected to have the best gear they can get. A lot of it will
> come from boss drops, but there is still a lot to do on your own.

So if the guild raids 4 nights a week, 4 hours a night,
when exactly do members get time to do a lot on their
own? (much less eat and sleep)

I've never understood why people actually do this.
What is the benefit to the player in all this, and
why put up with the hassle? If I was stuck with
this hardcore schedule being the only thing to do
in WoW, I'd check out another game. Or are people
just so used to having an elite character that they
can't fathom going to a new game and being a newb
all over again?

What happens when people have got all the gear and
done all the raids? Do they go back to a casual
play schedule, or do they continue with the grind
forever?

--
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"Ieyasu" <nitesbane.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Newsgroups" <mtp1032.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>
> Your requirements to join must include a ridiculous amount of epics that
> you can only get via raiding in the first place.
>
> At least 75% of your members must be elitist jerks.
>
> Once per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official WoW
> forums about how much you pwn.
>
> Twice per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official
> WoW forums about how much other people hate you.
>
> You must use the Trade, LFG and other public chat channels as if you
> yourself are the moderator and the channels exist for your own personal
> discussions... usually about how much someone else sucks.
>
> ...that's all I can think of right now. However, one of the raiding
> guilds on my server requires its members to have a redundant internet
> connection - that is, some other way of connecting to the internet if your
> Cable/DSL goes down.
>

Chip on your shoulder eh?
Apply and get rejected?
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> "Ieyasu" <nitesbane.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Newsgroups" <mtp1032.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:QMCdnYihzKpHzwPbnZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>
>> Your requirements to join must include a ridiculous amount of epics
>> that you can only get via raiding in the first place.
>>
>> At least 75% of your members must be elitist jerks.
>>
>> Once per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the
>> official WoW forums about how much you pwn.
>>
>> Twice per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the
>> official WoW forums about how much other people hate you.
>>
>> You must use the Trade, LFG and other public chat channels as if you
>> yourself are the moderator and the channels exist for your own
>> personal discussions... usually about how much someone else sucks.
>>
>> ...that's all I can think of right now. However, one of the raiding
>> guilds on my server requires its members to have a redundant internet
>> connection - that is, some other way of connecting to the internet if
>> your Cable/DSL goes down.
>>
>
> Chip on your shoulder eh?
> Apply and get rejected?
>
>
>

Yea, that must be it. I was so sad that I could not give up everything
in my rl and spend all my waking hours with social rejects and 20 year
olds in parents basement. I am affraid that this rejection has left me
suicidal....I..I...I am going to jump...dont try to stop me!
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> Ieyasu wrote:
>> "Newsgroups" <mtp1032.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:QMCdnYihzKpHzwPbnZ2dnUVZ_v2unZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> I would be interested in any thoughts in this regard?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>
>> Your requirements to join must include a ridiculous amount of epics that
>> you can only get via raiding in the first place.
>>
>> At least 75% of your members must be elitist jerks.
>>
>> Once per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official
>> WoW forums about how much you pwn.
>>
>> Twice per month, a thread needs to be started somewhere on the official
>> WoW forums about how much other people hate you.
>>
>> You must use the Trade, LFG and other public chat channels as if you
>> yourself are the moderator and the channels exist for your own personal
>> discussions... usually about how much someone else sucks.
>
> You forgot the most important one:
>
> You must have NO life outside of WoW at ALL.

lol we have a winner.

When I was in a raiding guild (before the expansion) we used to raid 6 days
a week for at least 4 hours, often 6 or 8 hours depending.
If we were wiping a lot learning a new boss then that would necessitate
farming60+ gold a day for repairs, not to mention the mana, shadow prot and
flasks for some of the naxx fights, and that would be a couple more hours
farming.
It was basically more than a full time job. I got burned out, but it was
definitly a lot of fun for a while. (but I dont think Id want to do it
again)
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Shammy wrote:
> I wish I could be in a guild like that in my guild after the first 20g
> repair "suddenly" many have to go urgently :s A lot are not prepared to wipe
> for progress, I never had that problem with wow and money. And there are
> always a LOT more signing for a farm instance than something that has to be
> done first time.
>
>

I would bet most of the "hardcore raiders" are also "hardcore gold buyers"
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