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Zarin

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:08 am
Post subject: Changing color(s) of the source once the ability is on the stack
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Hello, all,
let's say it is my beginning of combat step and my opponent activates
her Glare of Subdual, tapping a Saproling token and targeting my
Soltari Priest. If in response I use my Distorting Lens targeting
Glare and eventually making it red until EOT, is the tap ability
countered on resolution (due to the Priest's Protection from red)?

I think it WILL be countered, but cannot find the rule supporting this
point of view...

Regards,
Arkady.

Glare of Subdual
2GW
Enchantment
Tap an untapped creature you control: Tap target artifact or creature.

Soltari Priest
WW
Creature - Soltari Cleric
2/1
Protection from red
Shadow (This creature can block or be blocked by only creatures with
shadow.)

Distorting Lens
2
Artifact
T: Target permanent becomes the color of your choice until end of turn.

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Daniel W. Johnson

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:58 pm
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Zarin <arkadyz1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, all,
> let's say it is my beginning of combat step and my opponent activates
> her Glare of Subdual, tapping a Saproling token and targeting my
> Soltari Priest. If in response I use my Distorting Lens targeting
> Glare and eventually making it red until EOT, is the tap ability
> countered on resolution (due to the Priest's Protection from red)?
>
> I think it WILL be countered, but cannot find the rule supporting this
> point of view...

Perhaps one of these rules is the one you are missing:

413.2a If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the
targets are still legal. A target that's removed from play, or from the
zone designated by the spell or ability, is illegal. A target may also
become illegal if its characteristics changed since the spell or ability
was played or if an effect changed the text of the spell. The spell or
ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word
"target," are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it
will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal.
If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can't perform any actions
on it or make the target perform any actions. If the spell or ability
needs to know information about one or more targets that are now
illegal, it will use the illegal targets' current or last known
information.
Example: Aura Blast is a white instant that reads, "Destroy target
enchantment. Draw a card." If the enchantment isn't a legal target
during Aura Blast's resolution (say, if it has gained protection from
white or left play), then Aura Blast is countered. Its controller
doesn't draw a card.
Example: Plague Spores reads, "Destroy target nonblack creature and
target land. They can't be regenerated." Suppose the same animated land
is chosen both as the nonblack creature and as the land, and the color
of the creature land is changed to black before Plague Spores resolves.
Plagues Spores isn't countered because the black creature land is still
a legal target for the "target land" part of the spell.

502.7b A permanent with protection can't be targeted by spells with the
stated quality and can't be targeted by abilities from a source with the
stated quality.

Source of an Ability
The source of an ability is the object that generated it. See rule 402,
"Abilities," and rule 200.7.
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David DeLaney

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:04 pm
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Zarin <arkadyz1 DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>Hello, all,
>let's say it is my beginning of combat step and my opponent activates
>her Glare of Subdual, tapping a Saproling token and targeting my
>Soltari Priest. If in response I use my Distorting Lens targeting
>Glare and eventually making it red until EOT, is the tap ability
>countered on resolution (due to the Priest's Protection from red)?
>
>I think it WILL be countered, but cannot find the rule supporting this
>point of view...

>Glare of Subdual >2GW >Enchantment
>Tap an untapped creature you control: Tap target artifact or creature.
>
>Soltari Priest >WW >Creature - Soltari Cleric
>2/1 >Protection from red, Shadow (*)

>Distorting Lens >2 >Artifact
>T: Target permanent becomes the color of your choice until end of turn.

You are correct. The ability is an ability -from- the Glare; the ability's text
is locked in on announcement - but anything that's asking about the SOURCE
of the ability gets to see the 'current' source (or to use LKI if the source
has gone missing in the meantime). So if the Glare is red on resolution of
its ability, then its ability will be a targetted ability from a (currently)
red source, and a Soltari Priest will find it's an illegal target for the
ability, which then gets countered.

402.6 appears to be what you're looking for - the information about the source
will be checked on resolution (since this isn't about dividing the tapping).
Dealt with in slightly more detail (and less specifically) in 413.2f;
protection from red cares about what color the source is, not about whether
the source is actually doing something or not.

Dave
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