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Korin Duval

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:55 am
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No, not Absolute HEARING. ^___^

Abs. Ear (don't know if it's the correct, technical term in English)
is the ability to discern musical notes with very high precision.

It seems to be both innate in a rare percentage of people, but can be
acquired and mantained with training in music arts.


I'd go for a Perk OR include it in Music Talent... But there's people
In Real Life (I'm told) which seem to have Music Talent and NO
Abs.Ear. ?___?

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David Johnston

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:55 am
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:32:21 GMT, korinNOduvalSPAM.DeleteThis@yahoo.it (Korin
Duval) wrote:

>
>No, not Absolute HEARING. ^___^
>
>Abs. Ear (don't know if it's the correct, technical term in English)
>is the ability to discern musical notes with very high precision.
>

Perfect Pitch.

Which could be done as Discriminatory Hearing (Only Versus Music,
-80%).

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Elvis

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:05 am
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David Johnston wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:32:21 GMT, korinNOduvalSPAM.RemoveThis@yahoo.it (Korin
> Duval) wrote:
>
> >
> >No, not Absolute HEARING. ^___^
> >
> >Abs. Ear (don't know if it's the correct, technical term in English)
> >is the ability to discern musical notes with very high precision.
> >
>
> Perfect Pitch.
>
> Which could be done as Discriminatory Hearing (Only Versus Music,
> -80%).

Actually I've met people with absolute pitch & it INTERFERES with
their musical training. Their instrument is never tuned well enough &
they NEVER have the MONEY
for a "STRAD". My practice Chromaharp with it's NON-tunable Bass
strings was
torture for someone with perfect pitch to listen to.
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Paul Colquhoun

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 8:59 am
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 08:32:21 GMT, Korin Duval <korinNOduvalSPAM RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
|
| No, not Absolute HEARING. ^___^
|
| Abs. Ear (don't know if it's the correct, technical term in English)
| is the ability to discern musical notes with very high precision.
|
| It seems to be both innate in a rare percentage of people, but can be
| acquired and mantained with training in music arts.
|
|
| I'd go for a Perk OR include it in Music Talent... But there's people
| In Real Life (I'm told) which seem to have Music Talent and NO
| Abs.Ear. ?___?


"absolute pitch" or "perfect pitch"

I'd agree that it's probably not worth more than a Perk.

I can think of a few uses for it (knowing what number was dialed just by
listening to the dialing tones) but they would be relatively rare.


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Sam Spade

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:55 pm
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> No, not Absolute HEARING. ^___^
>
> Abs. Ear (don't know if it's the correct, technical term in English)
> is the ability to discern musical notes with very high precision.
>
> It seems to be both innate in a rare percentage of people, but can be
> acquired and mantained with training in music arts.
>
>
> I'd go for a Perk OR include it in Music Talent... But there's people
> In Real Life (I'm told) which seem to have Music Talent and NO
> Abs.Ear. ?___?

According to a friend of mine who is a symphony oboe player, it's called
perfect pitch. She has told me stories of people who had problems because of
it. She has it and has used it to her advantage. She claims it can be
trained, by the way. I'd say it's a perk, yes. Oh, and many of the people
who make music for a living do not have it. (Of course, a lot of people
making their business by writing have no particular knack for writing.
Perseverance goes a long way.)

FWIW
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Korin Duval

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:55 am
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On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 15:47:02 GMT, "Sam Spade" <sam RemoveThis @spade.com> wrote:

[...]
>who make music for a living do not have it. (Of course, a lot of people
>making their business by writing have no particular knack for writing.
>Perseverance goes a long way.)

That is: Skills, not Advantages! ^_______^

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:55 am
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Sam Spade <sam.DeleteThis@spade.com> wrote:
>> No, not Absolute HEARING. ^___^
>>
>> Abs. Ear (don't know if it's the correct, technical term in English)
>> is the ability to discern musical notes with very high precision.
>>
>> It seems to be both innate in a rare percentage of people, but can be
>> acquired and mantained with training in music arts.
>>
>>
>> I'd go for a Perk OR include it in Music Talent... But there's people
>> In Real Life (I'm told) which seem to have Music Talent and NO
>> Abs.Ear. ?___?
>
> According to a friend of mine who is a symphony oboe player, it's called
> perfect pitch. She has told me stories of people who had problems because of
> it. She has it and has used it to her advantage. She claims it can be
> trained, by the way. I'd say it's a perk, yes. Oh, and many of the people
> who make music for a living do not have it.

As far as I know, professional classical musicians train for it. This
art is also called "solvege", at least in Dutch (and presumably in
French, because the word sounds French to me). Some people are born
with it, like my dad, who is by no means a professional musician, but
has had this ability for as long as he can remember. A couple of years
ago he realised that his "perfect pitch" (called "absoluut gehoor" or
absolute hearing in Dutch) was off by half a note compared to when he
was young.

Interesting anecdote: we were watching a Doctor Who episode (with
Sylvester McCoy) at the time. They heard a sound, someone asks:
"what was that?" and the Doctor replies with his usual wit: "a C".
My dad responded: "No, that's an F", and was proven right later in
that episode. He then admitted that he actually heard an almost
F-flat, but he assumed his hearing was off and it must have been a
real F.

Another interesting anecdote: The conductor of my choir also teaches
at a music academy ("conservatorium" in Dutch, no idea if it's the
same in English), and he has a student with perfect pitch who insisted
that a G was always a G. The conductor put the student in the choir,
and had the choir sing lots of chords with Gs in them, after which
the student admitted that a G isn't always a G.


mcv.
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Charlton Wilbur

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:25 pm
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mcv <mcvmcv.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl> writes:

> As far as I know, professional classical musicians train for it. This
> art is also called "solvege", at least in Dutch (and presumably in
> French, because the word sounds French to me). Some people are born
> with it, like my dad, who is by no means a professional musician, but
> has had this ability for as long as he can remember. A couple of years
> ago he realised that his "perfect pitch" (called "absoluut gehoor" or
> absolute hearing in Dutch) was off by half a note compared to when he
> was young.

Solfege and perfect pitch aren't quite the same thing.

Perfect pitch is, as you note, the ability to hear a note and
recognize it in isolation. You hear a B-flat, you know it's a B-flat.
You hear A-440 and recognize it as A-440; you can sing an A-415 on
demand. Recent research seems to indicate that this is a combination
of an inborn trait plus exposure to fixed pitches in childhood -- you
need to have the ability, and you need to learn to use it by the age
of 5 or 6.

Solfege is the ability to hear and recognize the intervals between
notes out of isolation. It's what the Do-Re-Mi syllables are really
used for -- a good musician can hear that the melody goes Sol-Do,
Sol-Mi, Mi-Fa-Sol-Sol-La-Sol-Sol-Fa, and then given another bit of
information (such as that the Mi is a D natural) work out what the key
is. This is something that some people have a knack for, but it's
trainable in just about everyone.

The two skills are complementary, but people with perfect pitch can
have a damn hard time learning solfege:

> Another interesting anecdote: The conductor of my choir also teaches
> at a music academy ("conservatorium" in Dutch, no idea if it's the
> same in English), and he has a student with perfect pitch who insisted
> that a G was always a G. The conductor put the student in the choir,
> and had the choir sing lots of chords with Gs in them, after which
> the student admitted that a G isn't always a G.

This is because the note-name G refers both to a pitch-frequency and
to a function. The function of G is always the same, and in isolation
a G pitch is always the same, but in actual musical context the note
functioning as G changes its precise pitch depending on its context.

When I was in graduate school one of my fellow musicians had perfect
pitch but otherwise a tin ear, and failed to grasp that. For one
thing, even when the choir stays in tune, in some styles of music
pitches get renegotiated all the time. (Think highly dissonant
Renaissance music, which has to have crystal-clear chords in the few
places they occur.) For another, sometimes the choir goes flat or
sharp, and when the lone guy with perfect pitch holds out at the
original pitch, the result is hideous.

Charlton
(who spent, at a conservative estimate, 8 points on
Professional Skill: Music Theory and Musicology)
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