Broadly skilled people

On Jan 16, 11:46 pm, "Steven Jones" <steven....DeleteThis@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
> man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
> example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
> building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
> Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
> him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
> skills.

I don't know who Jamie Hyneman is, but you can have someone who is an
expert (~15) in a wide range of subjects and also physically fit for,
oh, 200 points.

IQ 15 [100]
DX 12 [40]
HT 12 [20]
A bunch of IQ skills at 15 [2-4 each]

The Count of Monte Cristo, or his mentor the Abbe, would probably both
be worth 300 or more points.

-Max
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Steven Jones <stevenj76.RemoveThis@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
> man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
> example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
> building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
> Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
> him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
> skills.

Jamie, Adam, and most of the recurring cast of Mythbusters are "just"
bright and have a lot of skills, IMO. Just like in most of our games,
some people are just built on more points than others.

dave
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Steven Jones <stevenj76.DeleteThis@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
> man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
> example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
> building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
> Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
> him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
> skills.

I've never heard of Jamie Hyneman, but to count as a Leonardo-style
renaissance man, he's have to be more than just skilled, he'd have to
be an expert. For example, if he'd invented scuba diving, is a big
Special FX pioneer, wrote leading papers on Russian linguistics and
survived under conditions that would kill your average outdoorsman,
he'd definitely count as renaissance man or homo universalis, and he'd
be worth a lot of points. If he just has some knowledge and experience
of a wide range of subjects, he's just a jack-of-all-trades with
decent stats and a wide range of skills.


mcv.
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David E. Smith wrote:
> Steven Jones <stevenj76 RemoveThis @aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
>>man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
>>example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
>>building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
>>Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
>>him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
>>skills.
>
>
> Jamie, Adam, and most of the recurring cast of Mythbusters are "just"
> bright and have a lot of skills, IMO. Just like in most of our games,
> some people are just built on more points than others.
>
> dave

I would have to say that Jamie is an expert in diving. To quote him, "I
have literally spent man-years underwater". He is a good example of an
"adventurer" though...

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David E. Smith <dave RemoveThis @technopagan.org> wrote:
> Steven Jones <stevenj76 RemoveThis @aapt.net.au> wrote:
>> Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
>> man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
>> example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
>> building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
>> Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
>> him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
>> skills.
>
> Jamie, Adam, and most of the recurring cast of Mythbusters are "just"
> bright and have a lot of skills, IMO. Just like in most of our games,
> some people are just built on more points than others.

Is Jamie Hyneman the Jamie from Mythbusters? I haven't seen him do anything
that'd make him a renaissance man, or any more special than any other
technically inclined person with broad interests. He does seem like the
kind of guy who keeps learning new things, new skills and seek out new
knowledge all the time, which would probably make him a lot more skilled
(and especially more varied in his skill) than the average guy of his age,
but he's no Leonardo.


mcv.
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could be verified scientifically was considered real, then nearly all
of human experience would be not-real. -- Zachriel
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In article <478fd4be$0$85779$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, mcv <mcvmcv.TakeThisOut@xs4all.nl>
wrote:

> Is Jamie Hyneman the Jamie from Mythbusters? I haven't seen him do anything
> that'd make him a renaissance man, or any more special than any other
> technically inclined person with broad interests. He does seem like the
> kind of guy who keeps learning new things, new skills and seek out new
> knowledge all the time, which would probably make him a lot more skilled
> (and especially more varied in his skill) than the average guy of his age,
> but he's no Leonardo.

Leonardo may be the "renaissance man" as far as historians are concerned - but
he wasn't exactly an expert in anything besides painting. His new paint formulas
were universally unsuccessful. Most of his engineering plans never got beyond
paper - certainly none of them worked well enough to be used beyond testing.

Jamie Hyneman on the other hand lives in an age where the average human couldn't
possibly learn one percent of the world's accumulated knowledge. Yet his skill
set is a lot more like an above average engineer and mechanic with a lot of
general knowledge mixed in. No renaissance man, but certainly a higher level
character than most folks I've met in my life. (And of the two men, probably the
one you'd want to be stuck on a desert island with if you wanted to survive.)
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Steven Jones <stevenj76.RemoveThis@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
> man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
> example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
> building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
> Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
> him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
> skills.

He's just a high IQ character.


John
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On Jan 21, 4:09 pm, ra....RemoveThis@westnet.poe.com (Raven-Poe) wrote:
> Steven Jones <steven....RemoveThis@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> > Roughly how much would someone very broadly skilled (a modern 'renaissance
> > man') like Jamie Hyneman be worth in point value? To use Jamie as an
> > example, he has skills in Scuba diving, Russian languages, Special FX, model
> > building, toy prototyping and wilderness survival. He also has high
> > Charisma (his show wouldn't be such a hit if he was a the viewers disliked
> > him.) Since he owns and runs M5, he would also have the necessary business
> > skills.
>
> He's just a high IQ character.

I suggested that in the second post of the thread

Brandon
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Kent Allard <evil.DeleteThis@hearts_of_men.net> wrote:
> In article <478fd4be$0$85779$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, mcv <mcvmcv.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> Is Jamie Hyneman the Jamie from Mythbusters? I haven't seen him do anything
>> that'd make him a renaissance man, or any more special than any other
>> technically inclined person with broad interests. He does seem like the
>> kind of guy who keeps learning new things, new skills and seek out new
>> knowledge all the time, which would probably make him a lot more skilled
>> (and especially more varied in his skill) than the average guy of his age,
>> but he's no Leonardo.
>
> Leonardo may be the "renaissance man" as far as historians are concerned - but
> he wasn't exactly an expert in anything besides painting. His new paint formulas
> were universally unsuccessful. Most of his engineering plans never got beyond
> paper - certainly none of them worked well enough to be used beyond testing.

Yet centuries later, people did build vehicles with those same functions,
just with more modern technology. His study of the human body was also
ahead of its time. Granted, he lived in a time where it was still
possible to know almost everything, and where there was still lots of
new stuff to discover without requiring a lifetime of academic study,
but that doesn't change the fact that he actually did, and many others
in his time didn't.

> Jamie Hyneman on the other hand lives in an age where the average human couldn't
> possibly learn one percent of the world's accumulated knowledge.

But keep in mind that much of that knowledge is also much more accessible.

> Yet his skill
> set is a lot more like an above average engineer and mechanic with a lot of
> general knowledge mixed in. No renaissance man, but certainly a higher level
> character than most folks I've met in my life.

No doubt, but it's the "no renaissance man" that was my point. In my mind,
a renaissance man is not just someone who knows lots of stuff, but one
who makes a difference in very different fields. Modern examples of this
are very rare. One that I can think of is Noam Chomsky, who is a leading
and very influential linguist, his Chomsky hierarchy shows up in
theoretical computer science, he gets mentioned in artifical intelligence
and psychology, but he is also an influential political thinker. No idea
how much points he'd be worth, but he is influential in very differennt
fields. I know Jamie Hyneman only from TV (but he's young, so who knows
what else he's up to in the rest of his life).

> (And of the two men, probably the
> one you'd want to be stuck on a desert island with if you wanted to survive.)

No doubt, but I also think your average medieval outdoorsman would be
much better at surviving in the wilderness than Leonardo da Vinci.


mcv.
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A very powerful tool, but not the only tool. And if only that which
could be verified scientifically was considered real, then nearly all
of human experience would be not-real. -- Zachriel
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 21:24:21 -0500, Kent Allard
<evil.DeleteThis@hearts_of_men.net> wrote:

>In article <478fd4be$0$85779$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, mcv <mcvmcv.DeleteThis@xs4all.nl>
>wrote:
>
>> Is Jamie Hyneman the Jamie from Mythbusters? I haven't seen him do anything
>> that'd make him a renaissance man, or any more special than any other
>> technically inclined person with broad interests. He does seem like the
>> kind of guy who keeps learning new things, new skills and seek out new
>> knowledge all the time, which would probably make him a lot more skilled
>> (and especially more varied in his skill) than the average guy of his age,
>> but he's no Leonardo.
>
>Leonardo may be the "renaissance man" as far as historians are concerned - but
>he wasn't exactly an expert in anything besides painting. His new paint formulas
>were universally unsuccessful. Most of his engineering plans never got beyond
>paper - certainly none of them worked well enough to be used beyond testing.

Truth be told would you want to try and build and USE any of his
designs with the materials avalible in his time?

>
>Jamie Hyneman on the other hand lives in an age where the average human couldn't
>possibly learn one percent of the world's accumulated knowledge. Yet his skill
>set is a lot more like an above average engineer and mechanic with a lot of
>general knowledge mixed in. No renaissance man, but certainly a higher level
>character than most folks I've met in my life. (And of the two men, probably the
>one you'd want to be stuck on a desert island with if you wanted to survive.)

Nah, take Adam, if it comes down to eating your companion to stay
alive he would be the easier kill.
--

Grant
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