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Blig Merk

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:11 pm
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Blu-ray is now on the same path as DVD before it. First, as BD-ROM
drives on PC's, then as BD+R/RE until they end up being a standard
configuration. It will take a couple of years but PC game developers
will start putting games on BD-ROM once multi-DVD installations start
exceeding 3 or more discs. The net effect for the PS3 is that BD-ROM
costs are going to plummet due to massive volume sales, increasing the
profits for Sony from Blu-ray hardware royalties and increasing the
profit margin for sales of PS3 hardware. At the current rate, it is
possible there will be a $349 PS3 by the end of the year with Sony
still making a significant profit on every PS3 sold. By 2009, DVD will
be looking at old age then death not long after.

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20080302PD201.html
BD-ROM to become mainstream of BD in 2008, say Taiwan makers
3 March 2008

Following Sony's offering of its BDU-X10S, its first Blu-ray Disc (BD)-
ROM drive, BD-ROM is expected to become the mainstream among all BD
formats in 2008, according to leading Taiwan-based makers of optical
disc drives.

The Sony BDU-X10S is an internal PC BD-ROM drive featuring 2x playback
of Blu-ray discs as well as 8x playback of DVD-ROM and 24x for CD-ROM
discs, the sources indicated. Sony will launch the BDU-X10S in Taiwan
at a retail price of NT$7,000 (US$230) in March, the sources noted.
The first BD-ROM drive model available for sale in Taiwan, the Liteon
HD-401S offered by Philips & Lite-On Digital Solutions, a joint
venture of Philips and Taiwan-based Lite-On IT, was launched in late
2007 for NT$5,999, the sources said.

Since Sony is the leader of the BD group, its offering of the BDU-X10S
will encourage other international vendors to follow suit with BD-ROM
expected to become popular relative to other BD formats in 2008, the
sources pointed out. Pioneer, Hewlett-Packard and Taiwan-based Acer
and Asustek Computer plan to offer BD-ROM drives in the second quarter
or later in 2008, the sources added.

While pick-up heads (PUHs) and chipsets account for 60-70% of the
total production cost for optical disc drives in general, BD-ROM PUHs
with a laser diode power of 130-150mW are much less expensive than
PUHs of 200-300mW for use in BD burners and the yield rate of the
former is higher than that of the latter, the sources pointed out. The
lower production costs is another reason that BD-ROM is expected to
pick up in popularity, the sources analyzed.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:25 pm
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On Mar 3, 9:11 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> By 2009, DVD will be looking at old age then death not long after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder

Indicators of a delusion

(Munro, 1999)

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence
or force.
2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her
life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
3. Despite his profound conviction, there is often a quality of
secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive,
especially about the belief.
5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is
that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts
them relatively unquestioningly.
6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an
inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and
hostility.
7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it
overwhelms other elements of his psyche (psychology).
9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are
abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in
the light of the delusional beliefs.
10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief
and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:39 am
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Blig Merk wrote:

So, tell me this. How long did it take DVD to take over from VHS?
And will it be any different for Blu-Ray? Sheesh. Sony don't
need any Viagra with people like YOU stroking their...ego.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:54 am
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On 4 Mar, 06:39, Relic <relic1... RemoveThis @ameritech.net> wrote:
> Blig Merk wrote:
>
> So, tell me this. How long did it take DVD to take over from VHS?
> And will it be any different for Blu-Ray? Sheesh. Sony don't
> need any Viagra with people like YOU stroking their...ego.

Blu-Ray will NEVER be the dominant medium for movies.

Quite what this has to do with the Xbox 360, I have no idea. I
seriously doubt Blig has a clue, either.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:23 am
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On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
posting>

It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.

The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.

Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
Nights.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:06 am
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On Mar 4, 10:23 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> <snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
> posting>
>
> It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
> considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
> format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
> don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.
>
> The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
> movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
> buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
> tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.
>
> Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
> Nights.

Actually, Blu-Ray is suffering along with DVD. Apparently, digital
distribution is harming DVD and Blu-Ray sales.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:22 am
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I was in Wal-Mart yesterday while the wife was getting groceries I thought
id check out the HD and Blue Ray movies. To my surprise they had two tiny
racks with a very small selection, and they were not even priced. I dont
think HD will be taking over DVD anytime soon. Most people do not even know
they exist. I was hoping for a fire sale on the HD DVD's, I picked up a 360
hd player for $49 with the 5 + 1 movie deal. I havent spotted a hd dvd sale
as of yet, im sure they will come later on.
Brad
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> On 4 Mar, 06:39, Relic <relic1....RemoveThis@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> Blig Merk wrote:
>>
>> So, tell me this. How long did it take DVD to take over from VHS?
>> And will it be any different for Blu-Ray? Sheesh. Sony don't
>> need any Viagra with people like YOU stroking their...ego.
>
> Blu-Ray will NEVER be the dominant medium for movies.
>
> Quite what this has to do with the Xbox 360, I have no idea. I
> seriously doubt Blig has a clue, either.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:20 am
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On Mar 4, 9:22 am, "Brad Darnell" <brad_n_chri....TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> I was in Wal-Mart yesterday while the wife was getting groceries I thought
> id check out the HD and Blue Ray movies. To my surprise they had two tiny
> racks with a very small selection, and they were not even priced.

My local Walmart actually had a halfway decent selection of Blu-rays
and HD-DVD's when they first came out. But they actually slowly cut
back on the shelf-space to the point where they hardly carry any of
them now. I was around in the early days of DVD and this is NOT the
pattern than DVD followed. DVD started out with a small amount of
shelf space and built up over time.

Best Buy seems to be following a more DVD-like pattern with the HD
discs. Hard to believe that in 1997, when I bought my first DVD
player, my Best Buy allocated just two small shelves to DVD, and
dozens of shelves of VHS. Right now, blu-ray and HD-DVD get a full row
of shelves (about 5 or 6 each), which is respectable (about where DVD
was in 1998). But it's still a very long way from any sort of
"takeover."

-Eric
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:22 am
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On Mar 4, 11:06 am, Jonah Falcon <jonahny... RemoveThis @mindspring.com> wrote:

> Actually, Blu-Ray is suffering along with DVD. Apparently, digital
> distribution is harming DVD and Blu-Ray sales.

Nothing compared to how badly CD's are suffering. We could be seeing
the end of physical media (a bittersweet moment, indeed).
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:13 am
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The alMIGHTY N wrote:
> On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> <snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
> posting>
>
> It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
> considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
> format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
> don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.
>
> The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
> movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
> buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
> tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.
>
> Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
> Nights.

I'm an "average consumer"........I've got a REAL hard time justifying the cost
of buying movies on Blu-Ray when I see regular DVD's selling for $15 on their
release date, and then see them 6 months later for $7.50, or in the $5 bin at
Wal-Mart.......

--
Steve Irving - BS#237/SLOB#12
http://www.users.qwest.net/~niteh/bike

"A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and
understanding." Marshall McLuhan
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:01 am
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"Steve Irving" <sdirv.DeleteThis@nospamqwest.net> wrote in message
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> The alMIGHTY N wrote:
>> On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
>> posting>
>>
>> It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
>> considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
>> format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
>> don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.
>>
>> The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
>> movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
>> buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
>> tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.
>>
>> Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
>> Nights.
>
> I'm an "average consumer"........I've got a REAL hard time justifying the
> cost of buying movies on Blu-Ray when I see regular DVD's selling for $15
> on their release date, and then see them 6 months later for $7.50, or in
> the $5 bin at Wal-Mart.......
>
>
NetFlix.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:04 am
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On Mar 4, 11:06 am, Jonah Falcon <jonahny....RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 10:23 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
> > posting>
>
> > It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
> > considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
> > format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
> > don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.
>
> > The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
> > movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
> > buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
> > tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.
>
> > Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
> > Nights.
>
> Actually, Blu-Ray is suffering along with DVD. Apparently, digital
> distribution is harming DVD and Blu-Ray sales.

What digital distribution (unless you count piracy on the newsgroups)?

People are buying less DVDs now because they're renting more.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:56 pm
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On Mar 4, 1:04 pm, The alMIGHTY N <natle....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 4, 11:06 am, Jonah Falcon <jonahny....RemoveThis@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 4, 10:23 am, The alMIGHTY N <natle....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 4, 12:11 am, Blig Merk <blig_m....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > <snip typical delusional ranting and wholly irrelevant article
> > > posting>
>
> > > It will be at least a couple of years before Blu-Ray will be
> > > considered a mainstream technology. It's a clear indication that the
> > > format has a long way to go when many entertainment junkies still
> > > don't plan on jumping into the format even after HD DVD surrendered.
>
> > > The big complaints I hear a lot are that there simply aren't enough
> > > movies (and more importantly GOOD movies) available. A lot of movie
> > > buffs aren't going to jump in until there are a good number of top
> > > tier catalog titles and classics available for purchase.
>
> > > Very few average consumers are interested in paying $30 for Talladega
> > > Nights.
>
> > Actually, Blu-Ray is suffering along with DVD. Apparently, digital
> > distribution is harming DVD and Blu-Ray sales.
>
> What digital distribution (unless you count piracy on the newsgroups)?
>
> People are buying less DVDs now because they're renting more.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jonah's just spouting the Microsoft party line....yet again.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:58 pm
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On Mar 3, 11:11 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> Blu-ray is now on the same path as DVD before it. First, as BD-ROM
> drives on PC's, then as BD+R/RE until they end up being a standard
> configuration. It will take a couple of years but PC game developers
> will start putting games on BD-ROM once multi-DVD installations start
> exceeding 3 or more discs. The net effect for the PS3 is that BD-ROM
> costs are going to plummet due to massive volume sales, increasing the
> profits for Sony from Blu-ray hardware royalties and increasing the
> profit margin for sales of PS3 hardware. At the current rate, it is
> possible there will be a $349 PS3 by the end of the year with Sony
> still making a significant profit on every PS3 sold. By 2009, DVD will
> be looking at old age then death not long after.
>

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I
have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close
to anything that
could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now
dumber for having
listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your
soul."
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:16 pm
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You idiots went down with your Dreamcasts, wrong about that, you went
down with your XFLop, wrong about that, you went down with HD-DVD,
wrong about that, and now going down with the xflop 3-shitty, all in
the name of being anti-Sony, anti-PS2, anti-PS3 and anti-Blu-ray.
Delusional subhumans like you are not able to understand delusion.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/03/03/why-blu-ray-will-be-the-next-dvd/

Why Blu-ray will be the next DVD
Mar 3rd 2008

Everyone loves a fight, and no sooner was the HD movie format war
over, many analyst and pundits were setting up Blu-ray's next battles.
We love to watch a fight as much as the next person -- more like
watching a train wreck really -- but some of the craziness just has to
stop. Many give consumers too much credit, and even worse are ignoring
the facts. Blu-ray has the best chance to replace DVD, and we're going
to tell you why. There is no arguing that DVD currently rules the
roost, but it won't forever and the battle to overtake DVD is being
fought on two main fronts.

The future without shiny round discs
You'd have a hard time finding someone who wouldn't concede that there
will be a day in the future when physical media is no more, but it's
hard to find two people who agree on when. The humorous part is that
we've been waiting on this since before the World Wide Web was a
twinkle in Sir Tim Berners-Lee's eye. We've had data communications in
our homes for years before the internet became widespread, and the
companies that control the pipes running into our homes have been
trying to get a piece of the home media pie before DVD was battling
DIVX. The fact is that VOD is far more successful than any internet
delivery method and still isn't nearly as successful as many have
predicted. You don't have to look very far to find an analyst
criticizing the VOD industry for its lackluster growth. The scary part
is that VOD will almost always have the advantage over internet
delivery, because the cable co's not only own the pipes running into
our homes, but some are part of large companies that own the bulk of
the content -- like Warner Brothers and Time Warner Cable.

Despite this advantage, the providers who use the internet to deliver
its content still have a chance, but none have gotten any traction --
yet. No one seems to be able to figure out a balance between what
consumers want and what the studios are willing to give. So we end up
with $5 rentals, with 24 hour limits, a measly 100 HD movie selection,
and having our content locked on a box that sits on the top of our TV.
The mass public is accustomed to the freedoms and security that come
with a physical medium, and have a hard time paying what is perceived
as more, to get less. The convenience alone of renting from the
comfort of our couch, hasn't been enough to overcome the satisfaction
of owning little shiny disc.

The real red vs blue
Not sure if anyone could've ever predicted that DVD would be as
successful as it has been, and when a format dominates the way DVD
has, it's hard to imagine a world without it. People love to point out
that Americans are happy with DVD and don't appreciate the marginal
improvement of Blu-ray. These people give joe six pack too much
credit. We're talking about the same people who buy so many
upconverting DVD players, that its nearly impossible to buy a DVD
player that doesn't upconvert. This is despite the fact that every
HDTV sold has an upconverter built in that works as well -- if not
better -- than most of the DVD upconverters on the market. Most flock
to LCD TVs despite the fact that they don't compare to plasmas in
contrast or color, just because they feature 1080p. The problem of
course is that they are viewing their 42-inch 1080p LCD form 10 feet
away, which is so far, no human can even perceive the difference in
resolution. Do they care that the 1080p TV cost $400 more than the
720p plasma? No, they bought it because they had to have 1080p. Many
buy TVs after looking at the fact tag, and never once think to
actually look at the TV. The same people that pay $99 for an HDMI
cable and throw away the component cable that was in the box. They
spend $200 on an HDMI switch so both their upconverting DVD player,
over-compressed cable, and Xbox 360 can all be connected via HDMI. Do
they ever test out the 3 unused component inputs to see if there is
noticeable improvement? No, they don't, 'cause everyone knows digital
is always better than analog.

The point is that people will spend more if they believe there is a
difference, regardless of whether they can actually see the
difference. They won't spend four times more, but they will spend
more.

So while we all wait for instant access to whatever we want, whenever
we want, we hold on to the shiny little disc that we know is better,
even though we can't really tell it's better. We'll pay the extra $50
to $100 a player (eventually) and $5 to $10 more per disc, to get the
most out of the 1080p HDTV we just bought. And we'll be happy while we
do it, and with no regard to the technology analysts who predict that
physical mediums are dead. The very same analyst who probably
predicted HDTV would never take off.

But wait, what about DVD-A, SACD, and Laserdisc?
Yeah, what about 'em? The success of HDTVs are proof that picture
quality is more important than audio quality and if you don't think
so, think about this. The majority of our readers that said they owned
HD DVD or Blu-ray, siad they were still using Toslink. We'd be willing
to wager that 0 percent of our readers who own HD DVD or Blu-ray are
still using S-Video. There are just far more people with a nice HDTV,
but a super cheap HTIB -- or use the speakers in the TV -- than there
are without a TV and a set of $5,000 speakers. Seriously, most people
actually believe Bose is "the most respected name in sound."

Oh, and Laserdisc. Well, just because your parents didn't have one
when you were growing up, doesn't mean it wasn't successful. Laserdisc
players were sold in the US for twenty years, and every major studio
released content on the format. Although it was never as popular as
VHS, it was successful. But Blu-ray has a few big advantages over LD.
For starters, LD couldn't play VHS tapes the way a Blu-ray player can
play DVDs. Second, LD players were far more expensive than even the
current Blu-ray players -- adjust for inflation and you're really
talking some money. And despite the expense, enough people bought the
players and discs to keep the format around until DVD completely
replaced it.
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