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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 12:22 pm
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This article is coming out Monday. Blu-ray sales are set to double
this year, while DVD sales are actually in decline. Of course, this is
to be expected with the transition from Standard Definition (SD) DVD
to High Definition (HD) Blu-ray. Blu-ray is still a fraction of the
DVD market but the fraction is increasing and the transition is
starting to happen at a faster and faster rate. Nobody ever expected
Blu-ray to totally replace DVD instantaneously, except some xflop
fanbitch/HD-DUD retards. The transition rate that is occurring is very
satisfactory to the studios and Blu-ray beneficiaries. This is with
Wall-E and Dark Knight still ahead, plus recent remastered Disney
classics like Snow White and Cinderella in Blu-ray, and with the
Matrix and Lord of the Rings in a few months.

http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6606...&desc=t

DVD drop pales in comparison to market
Q3 sales declined 3.5%, but studios optimistic for holidays

OCT. 20 | Consumer spending on sales and rentals of home entertainment
softened in the third quarter but by an encouragingly modest amount,
given the dark economic environment, according to studio executives.

Year-to-date through Sept. 28, sell-through spending on all formats
slipped 3.5% from the same 2007 frame to $8.58 billion, according to
Video Business research. Disc rentals dropped 1.2% to $5.66 billion,
according to VB research and Rentrak. Taken together, the entire
industry fell 2.4% to $14.25 billion.

The declines were driven by DVD sell-through, which was off by about
6%, according to some studios. Blu-ray Disc sales, in contrast, grew
200% to nearly 300% from a small base, according to studio estimates.

Blu-ray revenue and unit sales are each pacing 200% over last year,
according to Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. Several executives at
different studios said they expect the new format’s growth to be
strong enough in the fourth quarter to pull rental and sales for the
full year even with 2007, despite economic challenges.

“Considering the bad economic news that is all around us, Blu-ray
sales continue to grow at a phenomenal rate,” Sony worldwide president
David Bishop said. “You cannot find any consumer electronics product
or new delivery system that is performing at that percentage growth
rate.”

Despite nationwide signs of consumer softness, including September
retail sales that fell by their largest monthly amount in three years,
according to the U.S. Commerce Dept., Bishop and other executives
continue to bet that Blu-ray title revenue will reach $1 billion by
year’s end.

Target is among retailers devoting significantly more room to the
format in recent weeks at the same time of this overall retail slide.

“It’s the primary growth for the DVD category, and retailers are
stepping up to take leadership positions because they don’t want to
fall behind,” Universal Studios Home Entertainment president Craig
Kornblau said. “As related to sales, a disproportionate amount of
space is going to Blu-ray, but [stores] want to make a bold statement
to their customers.”

Paramount Home Entertainment worldwide president Kelley Avery said she
is pleased with both new and catalog Blu-ray releases. One of the
year’s heftiest films, Paramount’s $318 million-grossing Iron Man,
sold more than 500,000 units on Blu-ray in its first week in stores.
To date, the studio’s Sept. 2 Blu-ray release of Transformers has sold
more than 200,000 units, which is respectable considering the studio
had already released the title last year on rival high-def format HD
DVD.

Iron Man sold 7.2 million units in its first week on sale in North
America, according to the studio, to make it the top debut of the
year. But Iron Man’s Sept. 30 street date put it just past the close
of third-quarter tracking.

“I think there are good signs in our category despite the fact that
other consumer goods are having a difficult go at it,” Avery said.
“You’re seeing rising costs on so many other consumer goods, but DVD
pricing is stable. It’s a great value, and a form of escapism during a
time when people are hearing a lot of bad economic news.”

Avery added, “We are cautiously optimistic about the year. It’s hard
to say what impact the economy will have on the business. But we could
be flat, to a point or two one way or the other.”

Lionsgate president and chief operating officer Steve Beeks agreed
with Avery’s end-of-year assessment, noting as proof that combined DVD/
Blu-ray spending in the first two weeks of the fourth quarter is 2%
over the same 2007 period.

“Tough recessionary times [could] keep people from buying the
hardware,” said Beeks. “Prices are coming down, but that is the only
question mark. But if we don’t get to $1 billion [in Blu-ray title
sales], we will get close.”

On average, Lionsgate titles are currently selling 10% to 20% of their
copies on Blu-ray. Last year at this time, Lionsgate’s Blu-ray portion
totaled 5%.

Aside from Blu-ray specifically, studios also found pockets of overall
strength in their third-quarter releases. Lionsgate’s Forbidden
Kingdom and The Bank Job have generated sales totaling 120% and 170%
of their theatrical box office, respectively.

Keeping with budget-conscious times, Sony’s 21, Vantage Point and Made
of Honor captured 15% more rental revenue than comparable titles would
typically secure, according to the studio.

Additionally, Sony’s Starship Troopers 3: Marauder outsold the
franchise’s second made-for-disc installment.

Universal’s second season of Heroes, hampered with fewer episodes
because of the screenwriters’ strike, has nevertheless sold more than
1 million units, commendably about 90% of its first season, added
Kornblau.

“In this tough economy, consumers might cut out restaurants and
babysitters, like they’ve done in past recessions,” said Kornblau.
“But I see DVDs fly off shelves this fourth quarter. They are great
value to the family.”

Some studios also began to talk about digital downloads as one of the
factors they look at when judging the success of a title in the home
entertainment window.

Lionsgate’s Beeks estimated that industrywide download/streaming
revenue will total $1 billion, matching Blu-ray’s expected
achievement, at the end of the year.

Universal began including download revenue into its assessment of
titles’ performance starting with Sept. 9 release Baby Mama, Kornblau
said. Lionsgate similarly began accounting for download activity
earlier this year.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:42 am
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On Oct 18, 3:22 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This article is coming out Monday. Blu-ray sales are set to double
> this year, while DVD sales are actually in decline.

How relevant do you think this is? If I have 2 apples and I get 2
more, I've doubled my number of apples, but that doesn't mean much to
the guy who as a thousand apples.

It's always interesting when people try to positively spin news by
avoiding the actual data and using percentages instead.

> Of course, this is
> to be expected with the transition from Standard Definition (SD) DVD
> to High Definition (HD) Blu-ray. Blu-ray is still a fraction of the
> DVD market but the fraction is increasing and the transition is
> starting to happen at a faster and faster rate.

The fraction is increasing because less people are buying discs in
general and there is an ever increasing trend of people either just
sticking with television or just renting movies.

> Nobody ever expected
> Blu-ray to totally replace DVD instantaneously, except some xflop
> fanbitch/HD-DUD retards.

The true retards are the people who think that Blu-Ray will ever
replace DVD. The best one could hope for is Blu-Ray co-existing as the
smaller niche format for high-def junkies.

> The transition rate that is occurring is very
> satisfactory to the studios and Blu-ray beneficiaries.

Is this why every studio except Warner Bros. refuses to budge on
pricing that would help the format grow faster? Studios realize that
they're not going to actually sell big numbers of discs so they need
to keep maximizing profit by keeping the prices high.

> This is with
> Wall-E and Dark Knight still ahead, plus recent remastered Disney
> classics like Snow White and Cinderella in Blu-ray, and with the
> Matrix and Lord of the Rings in a few months.

The Lord of the Rings is coming "sometime in 2009" which roughly
translates to a year from now during the all-important holiday
shopping season.

Snow White and Cinderella won't be on Blu-Ray a while. Their next
classic release is Pinocchio in March 2009 so the follow-up would be
in October 2009.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:56 am
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The alMIGHTY Nitwit Nathaniel wrote:
> Snow White and Cinderella won't be on Blu-Ray a while. Their next
> classic release is Pinocchio in March 2009 so the follow-up would be
> in October 2009.

Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month. The really
big one will be Fantasia re-mastered for Blu-ray. Re-mastered for Blu-
ray James Bond collection starts next week, How The West Was Won re-
mastered in Blu-ray receiving widespread attention for how much better
it is than the DVD.

Add to that, 42-inch 1080p LCD HDTV going under $1000 and expected to
be getting 20% less just before the holidays, stand alone Blu-ray
players going below $200.

You would have to be a nitwit to not see how this holiday season is
going to be a huge surge for Blu-ray.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:11 pm
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In alt.games.video.xbox Jordan <lundj.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> When they only talk percentage increases instead of actual units or
> dollars then they are HIDING SOMETHING FROM YOU.

Naw, it's just that "300%!" sounds much more impressive.

As the saying goes, however, "twice nothing is still nothing..."

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:35 pm
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Blig Merk wrote:
> The alMIGHTY Nitwit Nathaniel wrote:

>> Snow White and Cinderella won't be on Blu-Ray a while. Their next
>> classic release is Pinocchio in March 2009 so the follow-up would be
>> in October 2009.
>
> Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month. The really
> big one will be Fantasia re-mastered for Blu-ray. Re-mastered for Blu-
> ray James Bond collection starts next week, How The West Was Won re-
> mastered in Blu-ray receiving widespread attention for how much better
> it is than the DVD.
>
> Add to that, 42-inch 1080p LCD HDTV going under $1000 and expected to
> be getting 20% less just before the holidays, stand alone Blu-ray
> players going below $200.
>
> You would have to be a nitwit to not see how this holiday season is
> going to be a huge surge for Blu-ray.

The holidays are usually a "big surge" for nearly everything electronic. You
can't use that as an indicator of future sales.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:02 pm
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In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_murk.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month.

Meh, big deal. Are you a big Disney fan, or at least a big Sleeping
Beauty fan? Sure, if you've got a 6 year old girl who thinks she's a
Disney Princess, this might be a no-brainer...then again, the DVD release
would probably be a better choice. It's cheaper, and can be played in the
DVD player in the car. Besides, what 6 year old princess is going to
demand that her movies be in 1080p?

> The really
> big one will be Fantasia re-mastered for Blu-ray. Re-mastered for Blu-
> ray James Bond collection starts next week, How The West Was Won re-
> mastered in Blu-ray receiving widespread attention for how much better
> it is than the DVD.

Again, limited appeal...or at best stuff to throw onto ones' netflix
queue. With things the way they are now, it certainly isn't the time to
be throwing $35 or more at movies - DVDs or otherwise.

> Add to that, 42-inch 1080p LCD HDTV going under $1000 and expected to
> be getting 20% less just before the holidays, stand alone Blu-ray
> players going below $200.

Cheaper HDTVs are always a good thing - but seriously anything under 50"
is going to be extremely questionable in terms of being able to really tell
the difference between a good upscaling DVD player and a 1080p blu-ray
disc.

As for the stand-alone blu-ray players, as far as I know, the cheapest player
that is both HDMI 1.3a AND blu-ray 2.0 compliant is...the PS3. None of
the $200 players are blu-ray 2.0 compliant, meaning you'll lose a lot of
special features on some movies and let's be honest here, the extras are
one of blu-ray's big selling point, right?

> You would have to be a nitwit to not see how this holiday season is
> going to be a huge surge for Blu-ray.

Huge for HDTV, sure. "huge" for blu-ray...not so sure. Even now,
blu-ray still accounts for a tiny portion of the total video market, and
if the past few months have been any indication, retailers shouldn't
expect a very cheery holiday season. If blu-ray sales manage to still
stay positive, I'd call that a victory.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:04 pm
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In alt.games.video.xbox dvus <doug.RemoveThis@dvenator.com.invalid> wrote:
> The holidays are usually a "big surge" for nearly everything electronic. You
> can't use that as an indicator of future sales.

Except that this year, I don't think we're going to see the "big surge".
Sort of hard to justify a $1000 TV and $200 movie player for a $35 movie
when you aren't even sure you're going to have a job come January 2009...

November is going to be critical, for obvious reasons.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:06 am
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On Oct 20, 2:56 pm, Blig Merk <blig_m....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The alMIGHTY Nitwit Nathaniel wrote:
>
> > Snow White and Cinderella won't be on Blu-Ray a while. Their next
> > classic release is Pinocchio in March 2009 so the follow-up would be
> > in October 2009.
>
> Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month. The really
> big one will be Fantasia re-mastered for Blu-ray. Re-mastered for Blu-
> ray James Bond collection starts next week, How The West Was Won re-
> mastered in Blu-ray receiving widespread attention for how much better
> it is than the DVD.

I know Sleeping Beauty is already out. I pre-ordered it months ago
because I'm a Disney fanatic. I agree that Fantasia will be
spectacular on Blu-Ray but I haven't heard any solid plans for it.

As far as James Bond goes, I don't think it will be quite as big a hit
as you may think. The older movies aren't going to so much of a hit...
the average moviegoer today may remember Pierce Brosnan's take on the
character but only movie buffs and older consumers are going to be
interested in Sean Connery, George Lazenby and Roger Moore.

I think you'll see decent sell-through with the existing Blu-Ray
consumer base but those movies aren't going to push hardware sales.

Same deal with How the West Was Won.

> Add to that, 42-inch 1080p LCD HDTV going under $1000 and expected to
> be getting 20% less just before the holidays, stand alone Blu-ray
> players going below $200.

It's doubtful that a brand name 42" 1080p HDTV is going to be $800 or
less at brick and mortar retailers during the holiday season except on
Black Friday.

I do believe that you may see some Blu-Ray players getting to the $200
mark in time for the holidays, though.

Of course, you still don't get that a) just because a person buys an
HDTV doesn't mean they have any interest in Blu-Ray and b) there still
isn't enough incentive for the average mainstream consumer to invest
in Blu-Ray with movie prices where they are (and hardware not at $100
or less).

> You would have to be a nitwit to not see how this holiday season is
> going to be a huge surge for Blu-ray.

You would have to be a retard to think that this holiday season will
be a redefining moment for Blu-Ray (at least in the positive).

If by surge you're thinking the same way you were last week with your
Iron Man post then I don't disagree. If you think Blu-Ray's going to
make some significant headway into DVD, I think you're sorely
mistaken. We'll see. Maybe your one time to be right will be this time.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:12 am
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On Oct 20, 8:02 pm, Doug Jacobs <djac... DeleteThis @shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
> In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_m... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month.
>
> Meh, big deal.  Are you a big Disney fan, or at least a big Sleeping
> Beauty fan?  Sure, if you've got a 6 year old girl who thinks she's a
> Disney Princess, this might be a no-brainer...then again, the DVD release
> would probably be a better choice.  It's cheaper, and can be played in the
> DVD player in the car.  Besides, what 6 year old princess is going to
> demand that her movies be in 1080p?
>
> > The really
> > big one will be Fantasia re-mastered for Blu-ray. Re-mastered for Blu-
> > ray James Bond collection starts next week, How The West Was Won re-
> > mastered in Blu-ray receiving widespread attention for how much better
> > it is than the DVD.
>
> Again, limited appeal...or at best stuff to throw onto ones' netflix
> queue.  With things the way they are now, it certainly isn't the time to
> be throwing $35 or more at movies - DVDs or otherwise.
>
> > Add to that, 42-inch 1080p LCD HDTV going under $1000 and expected to
> > be getting 20% less just before the holidays, stand alone Blu-ray
> > players going below $200.
>
> Cheaper HDTVs are always a good thing - but seriously anything under 50"
> is going to be extremely questionable in terms of being able to really tell
> the difference between a good upscaling DVD player and a 1080p blu-ray
> disc.
>
> As for the stand-alone blu-ray players, as far as I know, the cheapest player
> that is both HDMI 1.3a AND blu-ray 2.0 compliant is...the PS3.  None of
> the $200 players are blu-ray 2.0 compliant, meaning you'll lose a lot of
> special features on some movies and let's be honest here, the extras are
> one of blu-ray's big selling point, right?
>
> > You would have to be a nitwit to not see how this holiday season is
> > going to be a huge surge for Blu-ray.
>
> Huge  for HDTV, sure.  "huge" for blu-ray...not so sure.  Even now,
> blu-ray still accounts for a tiny portion of the total video market, and
> if the past few months have been any indication, retailers shouldn't
> expect a very cheery holiday season.  If blu-ray sales manage to still
> stay positive, I'd call that a victory.

It'll be a great time for those football fans looking to finally
invest in an HDTV. December and January are huge selling months for
HDTVs because people want to watch the Superbowl in HD.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:37 am
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On Oct 21, 1:10 pm, vi... DeleteThis @fnord.io.com (vince) wrote:
> In article <3PmdndFPWamAgWDVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn... DeleteThis @posted.rawbandwidth>,
> Doug Jacobs  <djac... DeleteThis @shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
>
> >In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_m... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month.
>
> >Meh, big deal.  Are you a big Disney fan, or at least a big Sleeping
> >Beauty fan?  Sure, if you've got a 6 year old girl who thinks she's a
> >Disney Princess, this might be a no-brainer...then again, the DVD release
> >would probably be a better choice.  
>
> The Blu-ray comes with a DVD as well.

That's the Digital Copy which you can transfer once to one portable
device. It's not even DVD resolution (there have been DVDs with a
Digital Copy version of the movie) because it's meant to be played on
the tiny screen of an iPod or PSP.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:25 pm
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In article <3PmdndFPWamAgWDVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdnZ2d.RemoveThis@posted.rawbandwidth>,
Doug Jacobs <djacobs.RemoveThis@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
>In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_murk.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month.
>
>Meh, big deal. Are you a big Disney fan, or at least a big Sleeping
>Beauty fan? Sure, if you've got a 6 year old girl who thinks she's a
>Disney Princess, this might be a no-brainer...then again, the DVD release
>would probably be a better choice.

The Blu-ray comes with a DVD as well.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:49 pm
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In alt.games.video.sony-playstation2 vince <vince RemoveThis @fnord.io.com> wrote:
>>Meh, big deal. Are you a big Disney fan, or at least a big Sleeping
>>Beauty fan? Sure, if you've got a 6 year old girl who thinks she's a
>>Disney Princess, this might be a no-brainer...then again, the DVD release
>>would probably be a better choice.
>
> The Blu-ray comes with a DVD as well.

That's one way to boost your blu-ray sales...

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:25 pm
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In article <ec5affae-a2d4-4fc0-8ca8-eb6b65a21540.RemoveThis@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
The alMIGHTY N <natlee75.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Oct 21, 1:10 pm, vi....RemoveThis@fnord.io.com (vince) wrote:
>> In article <3PmdndFPWamAgWDVnZ2dnUVZ_hKdn....RemoveThis@posted.rawbandwidth>,
>> Doug Jacobs  <djac....RemoveThis@shell.rawbw.com> wrote:
>>
>> >In alt.games.video.xbox Blig Merk <blig_m....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Re-mastered for Blu-ray Sleeping Beauty is out this month.
>>
>> >Meh, big deal.  Are you a big Disney fan, or at least a big Sleeping
>> >Beauty fan?  Sure, if you've got a 6 year old girl who thinks she's a
>> >Disney Princess, this might be a no-brainer...then again, the DVD release
>> >would probably be a better choice.  
>>
>> The Blu-ray comes with a DVD as well.
>
>That's the Digital Copy which you can transfer once to one portable

That's not what the article says:

BPBS: Which sort of leads to my next question: The Blu-ray of Sleeping Beauty
is going to come packed with a DVD copy of the movie, which--correct me if
I'm wrong--has never been done by a studio before.

BC: Nope. That's a first.


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Analyst revises 2008 Blu-ray sales downward by 25%
By Jacqueline Emigh, BetaNews
October 20, 2008, 4:49 PM

Due to the stinging blows dealt by the economy these days, some
analysts are now predicting bleak sales, both for the holiday season
and 2008 as a whole, for Blu-ray players and many other CE products in
the not-so-cheap category.

Back in about the second quarter of this year, Parks Associates
predicted that Blu-ray player unit sales, not including Sony
PlayStation 3 game consoles, would total about 5 million globally this
year, up from about 800,000 Blu-ray players and 800,000 players for
Toshiba's competing HD DVD format sold in 2007.

Parks also forecast that annual Blu-ray player unit sales would jump
eightfold within four years to about 40 million, and that annual HDTV
would increase 60% by 2012.

"By all counts, sales of both Blu-ray players and HDTVs were such that
we did not [foresee] economic concerns impacting consumer purchases or
intentions -- at least not at that point," said Kurt Scherf, principal
analyst at Parks, in an e-mail to BetaNews today. "It looks like the
significant contraction of purchases started occurring in September,
and we're waiting to see what kinds of real numbers begin to emerge to
verify this."

In the interim, Scherf estimates it's likely that total sales of Blu-
ray players will drop at least 25% from the firm's original
projections to about 2.2 million players in the US and 4.3 million
worldwide. He told BetaNews that Parks is also currently working on
revised HDTV sales forecasts.

Meanwhile, in a survey showing that 26% of consumers plan to spend
less than last year on the holidays, NPD Group has identified
televisions and sunglasses as two of the "season's bright spots."

In a report, the analyst group cited other research performed by NPD
as indicating that, with the conversion to digital TV still scheduled
for February 2009, many consumers are looking to buy new digital TVs.
NPD's survey results also demonstrated, though, that, at 29%, "VHS and
DVD discs" will be the third most popular holiday gift this season,
following apparel at 49% and toys at 37%.

Books landed in fourth place at 27%, electronics in fifth place at
23%, and video games in sixth place at 22%. NPD's electronics category
encompasses TVs in addition to home theater systems/DVD players/
recorders, GPS systems, cell phones, computers, and a number of other
CE products.

On the other hand, Roger Kay, principal analyst at Endpoint
Technologies, thinks that items priced below $200 -- a description
that doesn't typically apply to either Blu-ray players or HDTVs --
will be best positioned this holiday season.

"Likely to take a hit are the higher price points. Shoppers will come
in and browse, but they'll probably leave with smaller packages.
Products like expensive flat-panel TVs, fancy notebooks, gaming
desktops, and high-end phones will likely remain on the shelves in
unprecedented numbers," according to Kay.

Earlier this month, Sony reduced the prices of some of its Blu-ray
players by $100. Still, though, the least expensive BD Live-enabled
box is priced at $299.
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Blu-ray has case of the economic blues

Benny Evangelista, Chronicle Staff Writer

Monday, October 20, 2008
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This year, Blu-ray won the war. Now it faces another battle.

Technology analysts say the world's economic roller coaster could mean
consumers will be holding onto their money instead of buying pricey
Blu-ray players and discs - the high-definition DVD format.
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Analyst Roger Kay predicts a "dramatic" drop in Blu-ray sales for the
fourth quarter and beyond, pushing back adoption of the technology
long enough to allow other forms of video over cable, satellite and
the Internet to shut the window of opportunity for Blu-ray.

"If you can get movies over the wire on demand and have an entire
library at your disposal on the screen a la Netflix, that's the way
you're going to go," said Kay, president of Endpoint Technologies
Associates.

But Andy Parsons, the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association's U.S.
promotions committee, counters that naysayers also predicted doom for
the original DVD players, which survived a shaky start to become the
fastest-selling consumer electronics device in history, even during
the dot-com implosion this decade.

"We're hopeful even though things are getting a little tough out
there, economically speaking," said Parsons, also an executive with
Blu-ray backer Pioneer Electronics. "Everyone thinks of DVD as an
overnight success, but it actually took several years for that
overnight success to happen."

Blu-ray DVDs provide sharp, high-definition video and are seen as the
next step up from the standard DVDs that first came on the market in
1997 and eventually shoved VHS video cassette tapes to the dustbin.
Sales of DVD players hit as high as 20 million per year in the U.S.,
said Jim Barry, a spokesman for the Consumer Electronics Association.

In February, the Sony-backed Blu-ray format became the standard for
high-def DVDs when Toshiba decided to throw in the towel on its rival
HD DVD technology. The format battle held back sales for both sides
because consumers were hesitant about choosing the wrong side in the
war.

Sony's own PlayStation 3 video game console, which plays Blu-ray
discs, helped swing the tide.

With that roadblock cleared, Blu-ray backers hoped to see the start of
an upswing in sales this year, especially as the holiday shopping
season approached. Research firms such as Parks Associates in Dallas
have projected worldwide sales of would jump from about 800,000 in
2007 to about 40 million by 2012.

But with the global economy in unprecedented turmoil, consumers are
now expected to tighten their purse strings, which is bad news for
sellers of premium-priced electronics like Blu-ray players, which are
still mostly selling for $250 or more, said Russ Crupnick, an analyst
with the NPD Group.

So while research shows consumer awareness of Blu-ray's capabilities
is growing, they're still "going to be more selective in their
spending," Crupnick said. "Because of the way they're pricing it, it's
still a niche product."

Consumers may be more apt to place a higher priority on game consoles
or an HDTV monitor, especially if they still consider their existing
DVD players good enough for now, he said.

Yet while Crupnick believes Blu-ray will have time to eventually
become big, Kay thinks the current economic woes will continue into
2009 and deal an even more serious blow to the format.

While DVD players only had to battle the older VHS format, Blu-ray
faces an oncoming rush of high-definition video challengers, including
cable and satellite channels, video on demand, Internet video
streaming and downloading services, and digital video recorders, Kay
said.

But Hollywood is still betting on the format, releasing more home
video titles on Blu-ray. Major studios such as Disney and 20th Century
Fox have recently begun releasing Blu-ray discs enhanced with an
interactive feature called BD Live, which allows owners to set up
Internet chats and access more content beyond the disc.

"We've been investing quite a bit of R&D and our future into this
business," said Sven Davison, director of DVD production for 20th
Century Fox Home Entertainment. "We definitely feel it shows a lot of
promise for the future."

And Parsons notes Blu-ray disc sales have already jumped from 5.6
million units in all of 2007 to 8.8 million by the end of August. In
addition, he said the market penetration for HDTVs in the U.S.
continues to grow, priming the desire to eventually upgrade to a high-
resolution video player.

Parson said Blu-ray's window of opportunity will be open for several
years, and compared predictions of an all-digital video market to
predictions that offices would one day become paperless.

"Everybody remembers that as a rational, reasonable prediction that
was absolutely wrong," he said.
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