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JDrozen

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:55 pm
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The debate over Blu-ray in the PS3 has only intensified as more information
has come to light. Many people question whether or not a new format,
especially with such a large amount of space, is really required for next
generation gaming. Further, many people question whether or not the price
increase due to the technology is worth the gain.

However not all views on the format have been doom-and-gloom. Several
developers we contacted were eager to tell use why they thought Blu-ray was
not only important, but imperative for the PS3 and Sony, and a genuine edge
over Microsoft.

"Consider that games of the current generation have to use DVD5 or DVD9 for
all of their content," points out Mike Ball, Co-founder and CTO of Ninja
Theory, the studio behind the anticipated title Heavenly Sword. "So roughly
the storage medium is 100 times larger than the main RAM of the unit.
Although they could, it's rare that a current gen title would take the
option of pressing on CD for example. Next generation machines have ~512MB
RAM on board, so a DVD5 or DVD9 is only 10-20 times the size of main RAM.

"Why is the ratio important? Many games use streaming, so a single level can
require many times the amount of data needed to fill the main RAM of the
console." Mike goes on to point out that the quality of the content in the
future is only increasing, and that the filesizes will follow. "Don't forget
the streaming audio too. Dialog may be translated to multiple languages
especially if a title is for multiple territories. Some audio may be
surround sound, so that will push up the size. It's also worth considering
HD video especially if it's 1080p @ 60Hz at high quality."

The problem this presents is that the current DVD formats use a larger
laser, allowing them to store less data in the same space a smaller laser,
like the one in a Blu-ray player, can store and read. Mr. Ball says he
thinks "it's not a problem for the current titles, [but] I'm sure that many
will soon find a single DVD9 to be quite tight. In fact I'm sure it won't be
too long before we see multiple disk games being released."

Other developers have said that they value the improved data streaming that
Blu-ray provides them, and the ability to create a game without worrying
about distributing content between multiple disks. "With a single Blu-ray
disk, you know that all the data will be there."

While some think that the ability to put games on a single disk is not worth
the cost of Blu-ray, the developers clearly disagree. We won't be able to
make a completely educated judgment until the system is released, but we are
looking forward to seeing the technology in action.

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Jonah Falcon

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:55 pm
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Wrong, of course.

Want to read the dozens of quotes that say otherwise?

Blig Merk's showing his face under another puppet I see.

JDrozen wrote:
> The debate over Blu-ray in the PS3 has only intensified as more information
> has come to light. Many people question whether or not a new format,
> especially with such a large amount of space, is really required for next
> generation gaming. Further, many people question whether or not the price
> increase due to the technology is worth the gain.
>
> However not all views on the format have been doom-and-gloom. Several
> developers we contacted were eager to tell use why they thought Blu-ray was
> not only important, but imperative for the PS3 and Sony, and a genuine edge
> over Microsoft.
>
> "Consider that games of the current generation have to use DVD5 or DVD9 for
> all of their content," points out Mike Ball, Co-founder and CTO of Ninja
> Theory, the studio behind the anticipated title Heavenly Sword. "So roughly
> the storage medium is 100 times larger than the main RAM of the unit.
> Although they could, it's rare that a current gen title would take the
> option of pressing on CD for example. Next generation machines have ~512MB
> RAM on board, so a DVD5 or DVD9 is only 10-20 times the size of main RAM.
>
> "Why is the ratio important? Many games use streaming, so a single level can
> require many times the amount of data needed to fill the main RAM of the
> console." Mike goes on to point out that the quality of the content in the
> future is only increasing, and that the filesizes will follow. "Don't forget
> the streaming audio too. Dialog may be translated to multiple languages
> especially if a title is for multiple territories. Some audio may be
> surround sound, so that will push up the size. It's also worth considering
> HD video especially if it's 1080p @ 60Hz at high quality."
>
> The problem this presents is that the current DVD formats use a larger
> laser, allowing them to store less data in the same space a smaller laser,
> like the one in a Blu-ray player, can store and read. Mr. Ball says he
> thinks "it's not a problem for the current titles, [but] I'm sure that many
> will soon find a single DVD9 to be quite tight. In fact I'm sure it won't be
> too long before we see multiple disk games being released."
>
> Other developers have said that they value the improved data streaming that
> Blu-ray provides them, and the ability to create a game without worrying
> about distributing content between multiple disks. "With a single Blu-ray
> disk, you know that all the data will be there."
>
> While some think that the ability to put games on a single disk is not worth
> the cost of Blu-ray, the developers clearly disagree. We won't be able to
> make a completely educated judgment until the system is released, but we are
> looking forward to seeing the technology in action.

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Zackman

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:30 pm
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JDrozen <zanzibar.high RemoveThis @email.t-com.hr> spake thusly:

> The debate over Blu-ray in the PS3 has only intensified

Yeah yeah, we already had this posted by another one of your troll pals. The
problem is, how is the debate "intensifying" with a story that quotes one
(1) developer who happens to be working on a PS3 exclusive? That's not
debate, that's propaganda.

Heavenly Sword will be one of the only reasons to own a PS3 around launch.
Not $600 worth of reason though. And if Ninja Theory is saying they couldn't
get that game on a single DVD-9, they're liars.

-Z-
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listermonocle

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:33 pm
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JDrozen wrote:
> "Don't forget
> the streaming audio too. Dialog may be translated to multiple languages
> especially if a title is for multiple territories."

Not a problem for US and Japanese versions, at least, since those are
one-language discs.

>It's also worth considering
> HD video especially if it's 1080p @ 60Hz at high quality."

Aren't we pretty much past the days of FMV?

> > Other developers have said that they value the improved data streaming that
> Blu-ray provides them

What does this mean? The 12x DVD in 360 reads faster than the 2x
Blu-Ray in PS3.
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Jordan

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:44 pm
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Zackman wrote:

> Heavenly Sword will be one of the only reasons to own a PS3 around launch.
> Not $600 worth of reason though. And if Ninja Theory is saying they couldn't
> get that game on a single DVD-9, they're liars.

It will be fun to compare relative file sizes on Assassins Creed when
it comes out. I suspect the 360 version will both a) fit on a single
DVD and b) look the same or better than the PS3 version.

- Jordan
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