Will Blood Shadowed Court sell?

On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:52:38 -0800 (PST), XZealot <xzealot.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:

>> can u imagine how many broken decks would emerge if they do the same
>> with final nights and many ezmeraldas hang around?
>> I do!!!
>
> there are 96 non-advanced, non-bloodlines Independant vampires in
> Group 2!!!
>
> there are 146 non-advanced, non-bloodlines Sabbat vampires in Group
> 2!!
>
> What do you think of that?

I think we cannot rule it out that this also has to do something with
the fact that there are four non-bloodline Indie clans and ten
non-bloodline Sabbat clans.

But to the original point - I don't think any of the FN vamps are
broken, not even Ezmeralda. She has a powerful ability, and I have
seen some decks built on her, but it's not even tier 1. She is fun
to play but if I'm looking for tier 1 I probably look at Gabrin or
Isabel Giovanni, instead.

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:44:05 -0800 (PST), <ashur RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> I´ve been wondering... What is the selling point with Blood Shadowed
> Court? (http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?
> line=news&articleid=875)
>
> I mean, don´t (most) people own those vamps already?
>
> From a commercial point of view, wouldn´t it have been smart to
> include like 10 new library cards in the box?

Why I will buy (and think BSC is a good idea):

1. Gaps in my collection - I do have missing vamps from 3rd Ed. Now I
can get them for cheap.

2. Tin (if any) - I can never have enough deck boxes.

3. Intent - I really appreciate that WW tries to balance the need to
have news every 6 months to stay on the shelves with the need to
produce a quality product that fits the budgets and playing frequency
of the players (which would be more like an expansion every 12+ months).

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In message <a7618b50-2260-46a3-b8ea-1ddb229bf3bc.DeleteThis@t1g2000pra.googlegroups
..com>, Peter D Bakija <pdb6.DeleteThis@lightlink.com> writes:
>It requires a bunch more effort to get those 10 (or
>whatever) extra cards in the set than it is probably worth, given how
>the existing plan of "just reprint the single preexisting sheet,
>package, and sell!" is likely a very efficient production plan.

That's not the existing plan.

- All cards are being moved to "the newest standard layout".
- Marcus Vitel's art is changing.

If you remember, the layout of crypt cards was tweaked post-CE. One
thing I vaguely remember is that the disciplines were moved slightly
further up, because of how common dots were on some brands of sleeves.

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In article <S+sPhLFgT2mHFwW+@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>,
James Coupe <james RemoveThis @zephyr.org.uk> wrote:

> That's not the existing plan.

Well, it's close enough--yeah, there are slight layout changes, but they
don't have to remove anything or add anything to the sheet. Adding new
cards to the sheet would require removing vampires from the sheet, was
basically my point.

> - All cards are being moved to "the newest standard layout".
> - Marcus Vitel's art is changing.

Yes. Correct. But still, it is little more than a matter of printing a
single sheet (assuming 100 cards fit on a sheet, and if IIRC, they do)
of pre-existing cards. Which is a much less work intensive plan,
presumably (minor layout changes or no) than another plan that includes
removing vampires from the sheet and adding new, previously unseen cards
to the sheet. Or printing a whole new sheet and cutting it up and adding
some of the cards from that sheet to the box that contained all the
cards from the other sheet.

> If you remember, the layout of crypt cards was tweaked post-CE. One
> thing I vaguely remember is that the disciplines were moved slightly
> further up, because of how common dots were on some brands of sleeves.

Yes. I'm pleased that the vampires are getting the newest layout. And
completely neutral to Marcus Vitel getting new art. But returning to the
point at hand, the question was "why aren't there new cards mixed into
the set?". That the 100 vampires are likely a single sheet of cards
(editing or no) is probably the primary reason. If there were exactly 90
G3 CE vampires, there probably *would* be 10 new cards in the set (or
something similar--some other cards that have never been reprinted?
Whatever.)

Peter D Bakija
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Peter D Bakija schrieb:
> I suspect it has to do with the simplicty of production more than
> anything else. It requires a bunch more effort to get those 10 (or
> whatever) extra cards in the set than it is probably worth, given how
> the existing plan of "just reprint the single preexisting sheet,
> package, and sell!" is likely a very efficient production plan.

Also, if 10 new library cards were introduced, even people with a decent
collection (like me) would have to buy 4-5 copies of the set just to
have them in numbers (think of Carlton van Wyk). I am glad that WW didnt
force players to buy 100 vampires they might not need just too get 2-3
cards they need. Leave the new library cards for the new sets.

Johannes
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ashur.DeleteThis@hotmail.com writes:

> I´ve been wondering... What is the selling point with Blood Shadowed
> Court? (http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?
> line=news&articleid=875)
>
> I mean, don´t (most) people own those vamps already?


When Camarilla Edition came out, I already owned lots of Jyhad and VTES
cards.

Camarilla boosters had many library cards, the vast majority of them
reprints. But they had only two vampires each, and I owned none of those.

It made no sense for me to buy lots of Camarilla Edition, since I already
owned most of the library cards, and the cards I really wanted (crypt cards)
were relatively more expensive than usual. I traded for the vamps and
Weighed Walking Sticks instead. Unfortunately, I still don't own a single
copy of Carna, for example. She's too good to be traded away.

I'll definitely be buying at least two copies of Blood Shadowed Court.


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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:33:27 -0800 (PST), <ashur DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> So long 16 answers in this thread, and no comments on why no new cards
> was included to _guarantee_ explosive sales. Sure, I too miss out one
> or two CE-vamps, and maybe I will buy a set of BSC, but if there was a
> bunch of new cards in I would _absolutely_ buy one! Very weird
> thinking from WW I think. Unless they plan to print many Advanced
> versions of the CE-vamps in new Camarilla-set!

....now I get the impression that you were starting this thread not so much
to learn other people's opinions but hoping their responses would support
your point. Also I don't get the "guaranteed explosive sales" thing...
You would want 10 new cards in the set? Fair point, I guess it's a
completely reasonable wish, though I don't think it's necessary (it
didn't hurt 10th either). But I think it's definitely not a sale-hurting
thing they didn't put 10 new cards in there!

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Hi,

these Vamps are nearly all really popular.

We're nearly always sold out of them.

Anything that WW does that allows players to get cards they want at a
reasonable price is OK by me.

Cheers,
Karen
House Atreides - www.hacards.com
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On 27 Jan, 10:13, Daneel <dan....TakeThisOut@eposta.hu> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:33:27 -0800 (PST), <as....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > So long 16 answers in this thread, and no comments on why no new cards
> > was included to _guarantee_ explosive sales. Sure, I too miss out one
> > or two CE-vamps, and maybe I will buy a set of BSC, but if there was a
> > bunch of new cards in I would _absolutely_ buy one! Very weird
> > thinking from WW I think. Unless they plan to print many Advanced
> > versions of the CE-vamps in new Camarilla-set!
>
> ...now I get the impression that you were starting this thread not so much
> to learn other people's opinions but hoping their responses would support
> your point. Also I don't get the "guaranteed explosive sales" thing...
> You would want 10 new cards in the set? Fair point, I guess it's a
> completely reasonable wish, though I don't think it's necessary (it
> didn't hurt 10th either). But I think it's definitely not a sale-hurting
> thing they didn't put 10 new cards in there!

Gee, I´m sick of this "hoping their responses"-thing. It doesn´t
matter what I write here, this is the standard response. The purpose
of my original post was to raise a discussion about the topic, because
I want VtES to sell alot, so the game become more popular and survive.
And I succeeded in this - there is a small discussion, and people seem
to dislike the idea of new cards. OK, fine. I myself like new cards,
but OK, fine.

I thought that 'Only CE vamps = Mainly those who do not own CE vamps
buy BSC' and 'CE vamps+new cards = all buy BSC', but I guess that was
not logical thinking of me.
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do cheap camarilla edition in nice package sells ? sure

i own just few cards from the set and want to play some cammy boyz
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I can say easily that I think BSC will sell massively to my playgroup.
I'm the only one with cards dating back to Jyhad, and I only dabbled
in the game pre-Dark Sovereigns. The playgroup here in Manchester I
think is quite excited about the prospect, because it allows them to
play with the Sect that really *is* Vampire in a lot of respects, but
has been missing form our tables until now, except in supporting roles
to Sabbat / Indie / Laibon decks.

- Dave
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On 28 Jan., 10:09, as....DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 27 Jan, 10:13, Daneel <dan....DeleteThis@eposta.hu> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:33:27 -0800 (PST), <as....DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > So long 16 answers in this thread, and no comments on why no new cards
> > > was included to _guarantee_ explosive sales. Sure, I too miss out one
> > > or two CE-vamps, and maybe I will buy a set of BSC, but if there was a
> > > bunch of new cards in I would _absolutely_ buy one! Very weird
> > > thinking from WW I think. Unless they plan to print many Advanced
> > > versions of the CE-vamps in new Camarilla-set!
>
> > ...now I get the impression that you were starting this thread not so much
> >   to learn other people's opinions but hoping their responses would support
> >   your point. Also I don't get the "guaranteed explosive sales" thing....
> >   You would want 10 new cards in the set? Fair point, I guess it's a
> >   completely reasonable wish, though I don't think it's necessary (it
> >   didn't hurt 10th either). But I think it's definitely not a sale-hurting
> >   thing they didn't put 10 new cards in there!
>
> Gee, I´m sick of this "hoping their responses"-thing. It doesn´t
> matter what I write here, this is the standard response. The purpose
> of my original post was to raise a discussion about the topic, because
> I want VtES to sell alot, so the game become more popular and survive.
> And I succeeded in this - there is a small discussion, and people seem
> to dislike the idea of new cards. OK, fine. I myself like new cards,
> but OK, fine.
>
> I thought that 'Only CE vamps = Mainly those who do not own CE vamps
> buy BSC' and 'CE vamps+new cards = all buy BSC', but I guess that was
> not logical thinking of me.

I belong to the group of players who already have enough CE vamps.
However, they are in the old layout, and I will definitely buy 4
packages of BSC, just to get the vampires in the most recent
layout!
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"librarian" <auctions.DeleteThis@superfuncards.com> wrote in message
news:Qssmj.31320$Gr4.24674@newsfe08.phx...
> Jozxyqk wrote:
>> Also also, we haven't seen the packaging yet. If it's as "neat" as the
>> 10th anniversary tins, then many players will want at least one of these
>> anyway.
>
> Good point Josh - I haven't noticed, are the tins going to be like the
> 10th Anniversary tins? All I am seeing is that it will have "deluxe
> packaging"...

I don't think it's going to be like the tins. The price wouldn't cover
it, AFAICT. The tins were just a special version of the 100-card Rook
boxes with VTES art and no raised "ROOK" trademark. They tend to sell
for several bucks so the +5$ price we paid for the 10th Anniversary Tins
over the usual price for 100-card precon deck (at least retail) came out
about right. These don't have the +5$ price.

Expect something disappointing, like those X-ray glasses they used to
advertise in comic books. =8-D

Fred
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