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Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 98
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:26 am
Post subject: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex Archived from groups: rec>games>miniatures>warhammer (more info?)
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Under the options for Chosen CSM, I've found something strange. If you go
down the list, you'll run into the option for a >single< model to replace
his bolter with plasma gun, missle launcher, etc. Then, a few options down
the list, you have the option of having up to >four< models replace said
bolters with plasma gun, meltagun, etc.
My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
attack of the stupids, and miss this?
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Since: Jun 22, 2007 Posts: 95
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:03 pm
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Hey,
Doctor Rock wrote:
> "relkins" <relkins.DeleteThis@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
> news:fcu3ee$vl3$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
> > Under the options for Chosen CSM, I've found something strange. If you go
> > down the list, you'll run into the option for a >single< model to replace
> > his bolter with plasma gun, missle launcher, etc. Then, a few options down
> > the list, you have the option of having up to >four< models replace said
> > bolters with plasma gun, meltagun, etc.
> >
> > My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
> > legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>
> yeah, it's so up to four guys can have special weapons and one other guy can
> choose either a heavy weapon OR a special weapon. I guess it's a half-assed
> attempt to allow players with 2 special weapons in under-10-man squads to
> reallocate them under the new codex.
Heh. If true, that would be an uncharacteristically solicitous
gesture. :- \
Poor playtest and proofreading skills usually explains these
anomalies.
Let's see -
A Unit of 5 Infiltrating Marines w/ 3 MGun and 2 PFist is 170pts?
And I can take three of these? So much for playtesting.
Now, what options are available to the Unit Champion?
Hmmm . . . he appears to have . . . none? So much for proofreading.
Playa >> Stay informed about: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex |
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Since: Dec 30, 2004 Posts: 374
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:57 pm
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"relkins" <relkins DeleteThis @u.washington.edu> wrote in message
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> Under the options for Chosen CSM, I've found something strange. If you go
> down the list, you'll run into the option for a >single< model to replace
> his bolter with plasma gun, missle launcher, etc. Then, a few options down
> the list, you have the option of having up to >four< models replace said
> bolters with plasma gun, meltagun, etc.
>
> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
yeah, it's so up to four guys can have special weapons and one other guy can
choose either a heavy weapon OR a special weapon. I guess it's a half-assed
attempt to allow players with 2 special weapons in under-10-man squads to
reallocate them under the new codex. >> Stay informed about: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex |
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Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 98
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:26 pm
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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"Graham Thurlwell" <nospam DeleteThis @jades.org> wrote in message
news:145172254f.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com...
> On the 20 Sep 2007, "relkins" <relkins DeleteThis @u.washington.edu> wrote:
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> <snip>
>
>> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
>> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>
>> Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
>> attack of the stupids, and miss this?
>
> Wouldn't surprise me. Did you know there was a CSM called 'Fabius
> Bike'?
I thought it was "Fabulous Bile"?
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Since: Dec 31, 2004 Posts: 313
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:57 pm
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On 2007-09-20, Playa <hurlgen40k.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
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> A Unit of 5 Infiltrating Marines w/ 3 MGun and 2 PFist is 170pts?
> And I can take three of these? So much for playtesting.
I'm building a squad of chosen with magnet swapable arms right now.
Neodymium kicks ass!
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Since: May 31, 2007 Posts: 146
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:13 pm
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On Sep 20, 7:26 pm, "relkins" <relk... RemoveThis @u.washington.edu> wrote:
> "Graham Thurlwell" <nos... RemoveThis @jades.org> wrote in message
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> news:145172254f.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com...
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> > On the 20 Sep 2007, "relkins" <relk... RemoveThis @u.washington.edu> wrote:
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> > <snip>
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> >> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
> >> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>
> >> Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
> >> attack of the stupids, and miss this?
>
> > Wouldn't surprise me. Did you know there was a CSM called 'Fabius
> > Bike'?
>
> I thought it was "Fabulous Bile"?
not all who wander are lost... just most of them. >> Stay informed about: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex |
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Since: Jan 04, 2005 Posts: 146
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:50 pm
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On the 20 Sep 2007, "relkins" <relkins RemoveThis @u.washington.edu> wrote:
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> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
> Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
> attack of the stupids, and miss this?
Wouldn't surprise me. Did you know there was a CSM called 'Fabius
Bike'?
--
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The best Frontier: First Encounters site on the Web.
nospam RemoveThis @jades.org /is/ a real email address! >> Stay informed about: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex |
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Since: Jul 30, 2007 Posts: 130
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:15 am
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:26:06 -0700, "relkins"
<relkins.TakeThisOut@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>Under the options for Chosen CSM, I've found something strange. If you go
>down the list, you'll run into the option for a >single< model to replace
>his bolter with plasma gun, missle launcher, etc. Then, a few options down
>the list, you have the option of having up to >four< models replace said
>bolters with plasma gun, meltagun, etc.
>
>My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
>legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>
>Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
>attack of the stupids, and miss this?
Yep, that's the way it works. On the other hand, they left out
options for the Aspiring Champion. Brilliant lot, that GW...
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Erik
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Since: Jan 31, 2005 Posts: 98
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:10 am
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Since: Jun 22, 2007 Posts: 95
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:56 am
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Spack wrote:
> Playa wrote on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:03:22 -0700:
> > Now, what options are available to the Unit Champion?
> > Hmmm . . . he appears to have . . . none? So much for proofreading.
> "One model may ..."
>
> "Up to four models may ..."
>
> An Aspiring Champion is a model.
The 8 Champ entries in Troops, FA and HS all say, "Character...He
may...".
Only the Elite Units have these options omitted. Why?
It's because 5 Chosen can *already* have the customary Champ options.
Thus making the 10pts for the Champion "upgrade" a waste of points.
Corollary:
Everyone reading the useless Elite Champ entries has wasted their
time.
So much for proofreading.
Possessed themselves get no Champ options, yet neither does their
Champ.
Champ options? The poor bastards didn't even get *pistols* this time
round.
Clearly, this Codex was not written by Chaos Marine players.
In fact, one could be a maddeningly out-of-touch semiliterate.
And the other might only have English as a second language.
Just a hunch.
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Since: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 75
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:07 am
Post subject: Re: (40K) Bit of a puzzler in the new CSM codex [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)
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Erik wrote on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 01:15:29 -0400:
>> Under the options for Chosen CSM, I've found something strange. If you go
>> down the list, you'll run into the option for a >single< model to replace
>> his bolter with plasma gun, missle launcher, etc. Then, a few options
>> down the list, you have the option of having up to >four< models replace
>> said bolters with plasma gun, meltagun, etc.
>>
>> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is totally
>> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>>
>> Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
>> attack of the stupids, and miss this?
> Yep, that's the way it works. On the other hand, they left out
> options for the Aspiring Champion. Brilliant lot, that GW...
Did they?
"One model may ..."
"Up to four models may ..."
An Aspiring Champion is a model. He gets the same options as the rest of the
squad.
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Dan
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Since: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 75
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:09 am
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Playa wrote on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:03:22 -0700:
> Doctor Rock wrote:
>> "relkins" <relkins.TakeThisOut@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
>> news:fcu3ee$vl3$1@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
>>> Under the options for Chosen CSM, I've found something strange. If you
>>> go down the list, you'll run into the option for a >single< model to
>>> replace his bolter with plasma gun, missle launcher, etc. Then, a few
>>> options down the list, you have the option of having up to >four< models
>>> replace said bolters with plasma gun, meltagun, etc.
>>>
>>> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is
>>> totally
>>> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>>
>> yeah, it's so up to four guys can have special weapons and one other guy
>> can choose either a heavy weapon OR a special weapon. I guess it's a
>> half-assed attempt to allow players with 2 special weapons in
>> under-10-man squads to reallocate them under the new codex.
> Heh. If true, that would be an uncharacteristically solicitous
> gesture. :- \
> Poor playtest and proofreading skills usually explains these
> anomalies.
> Let's see -
> A Unit of 5 Infiltrating Marines w/ 3 MGun and 2 PFist is 170pts?
> And I can take three of these? So much for playtesting.
> Now, what options are available to the Unit Champion?
> Hmmm . . . he appears to have . . . none? So much for proofreading.
"One model may ..."
"Up to four models may ..."
An Aspiring Champion is a model. He gets the same options as the rest of the
Chosen squad.
--
Dan
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Since: Apr 20, 2006 Posts: 75
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:11 am
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relkins wrote on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:26:07 -0700:
> "Graham Thurlwell" <nospam.RemoveThis@jades.org> wrote in message news:145172254f.jades@d.thurlwell.btopenworld.com...
>> On the 20 Sep 2007, "relkins" <relkins.RemoveThis@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> My question is this: reading this as written, it seems that it is
>>> totally
>>> legal to have a Chosen squad with five plasma guns.
>>
>>> Now, am I totally off-base on this? Or did some GW proofreader have an
>>> attack of the stupids, and miss this?
>>
>> Wouldn't surprise me. Did you know there was a CSM called 'Fabius
>> Bike'?
> I thought it was "Fabulous Bile"?
Page 53 of the new chaos codex, under the Wargear heading. Read it again
carefully
Maybe he's just had a lot of intimate contact with his "enhanced" warriors.
Fabius Bike and his Penile Warriors ...
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Dan
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Since: Jun 22, 2007 Posts: 95
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:36 pm
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Hey,
Spack wrote:
> Unless you want the extra attack, and the ability to be possessed by a GD.
True, but you'd have to *really* want that one extra attack -
You could give 10 Chosen ten extra attacks for 30pts.
Or give them eleven extra attacks for 40 . . . :- \
Champs designated Vessels are typically naked at the players'
discretion.
But, the *option* for Wargear was always there, and for good reason:
Candidates are generally cheaper than Elites, more mobile or both.
Besides, the Gear option was upheld everywhere in the new Codex.
Except in Elites.
Why? Exhaustive playtest and meticulous editing? Great Karnak says:
"The letter 'F' does not naturally occur in the word 'weigh'."
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:14 pm
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"Playa" <hurlgen40k DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> Spack wrote:
>> Playa wrote on Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:03:22 -0700:
>> > Now, what options are available to the Unit Champion?
>> > Hmmm . . . he appears to have . . . none? So much for proofreading.
>
>> "One model may ..."
>>
>> "Up to four models may ..."
>>
>> An Aspiring Champion is a model.
>
> The 8 Champ entries in Troops, FA and HS all say, "Character...He
> may...".
> Only the Elite Units have these options omitted. Why?
>
> It's because 5 Chosen can *already* have the customary Champ options.
> Thus making the 10pts for the Champion "upgrade" a waste of points.
> Corollary:
> Everyone reading the useless Elite Champ entries has wasted their
> time.
Unless you want the extra attack, and the ability to be possessed by a GD.
--
Dan
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