Beware of installing older aircraft in FSX

I think there is a basic problem regarding gauges. MS have changed the
format and no longer use .gau files, they have switched to .xml format.

Here is what I did to stop getting confused between default AC and 3rd party
AC
Edit the FSX.cfg thus (make a backup first of course)
[Main]

User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter

SimObjectPaths.0=SimObjects\Airplanes

SimObjectPaths.1=SimObjects\Rotorcraft

SimObjectPaths.2=SimObjects\GroundVehicles

SimObjectPaths.3=SimObjects\Boats

SimObjectPaths.4=SimObjects\Animals

SimObjectPaths.5=SimObjects\Misc

SimObjectPaths.6=SimObjects\AI Aircraft ------------------------------------
Added by me SimObjectPaths.7=SimObjects\Aircraft_3rd
Party --------------------------- Added by me

Then go into the FSX directory DRIVE:\FSX\SimObjects and create two new
directories of
AI Aircraft and Aircraft 3rd Party. Of course you don't need and may not
want the AI entry.
Now you can place any added AC within the Aircraft 3rd Party folder as per
FS9 and keep them well away from FSX AC. The gauges associated with each AC
can then be either placed within the panel folder of the respective AC or
make a gauges folder within Aircraft 3rd Party.
I have tried Dave Maltby's BAC 1-11's, his Tridents adn Rick Pipers
Chipmunks - they all work well in FSX. Also there is a great JU-52 by a
german chap which also works well.

Regards


" Charles Newman" <charlesnewman1 DeleteThis @comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote in
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>
> Beware of installing older aircraft in FSX, as they can
> screw up the portion of FS that reports your
> geographic coordinates to FSUIPC 4.
> MyFSGoogleEarth and ActveSky were both getting
> crazy results, but as soon as I removed all the
> FS9 and earlier aircraft from the Airplanes directory
> and restarted FSX, tne problem dissappeared.
>
> In short, some older aircraft will interfere will
> cause nonsense data to be sent to FSUIPC.
> I am trying to identify which FS9 and eariler
> aircraft are causing the problem, becuase some
> of them will work without causing the problem.
>
>
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Dagnabit! The editing in the above didn't work out too well, looked OK in
preview. Hopefully you can make it out.
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"Canuck" <ElmoreFudd DeleteThis @LooneyTunes.com> wrote in message
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> I think there is a basic problem regarding gauges. MS have changed the
> format and no longer use .gau files, they have switched to .xml format.

You can still load in .gau files into the Guages folder.
The only caveat is that you cannot use guages from
FS 98 and earlier. Anything FS2000 or late will
work.

>
> Here is what I did to stop getting confused between default AC and 3rd
party
> AC
> Edit the FSX.cfg thus (make a backup first of course)
> [Main]
>
> User Objects=Airplane, Helicopter
>
> SimObjectPaths.0=SimObjects\Airplanes
>
> SimObjectPaths.1=SimObjects\Rotorcraft
>
> SimObjectPaths.2=SimObjects\GroundVehicles
>
> SimObjectPaths.3=SimObjects\Boats
>
> SimObjectPaths.4=SimObjects\Animals
>
> SimObjectPaths.5=SimObjects\Misc
>
> SimObjectPaths.6=SimObjects\AI
Aircraft ------------------------------------
> Added by me SimObjectPaths.7=SimObjects\Aircraft_3rd
> Party --------------------------- Added by me
>
> Then go into the FSX directory DRIVE:\FSX\SimObjects and create two new
> directories of
> AI Aircraft and Aircraft 3rd Party. Of course you don't need and may not
> want the AI entry.
> Now you can place any added AC within the Aircraft 3rd Party folder as per
> FS9 and keep them well away from FSX AC. The gauges associated with each
AC
> can then be either placed within the panel folder of the respective AC or
> make a gauges folder within Aircraft 3rd Party.
> I have tried Dave Maltby's BAC 1-11's, his Tridents adn Rick Pipers
> Chipmunks - they all work well in FSX. Also there is a great JU-52 by a
> german chap which also works well.
>
> Regards
>
>
> " Charles Newman" <charlesnewman1 DeleteThis @comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote in
> message news:qbCdneA5OImOcKfYnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >
> > Beware of installing older aircraft in FSX, as they can
> > screw up the portion of FS that reports your
> > geographic coordinates to FSUIPC 4.
> > MyFSGoogleEarth and ActveSky were both getting
> > crazy results, but as soon as I removed all the
> > FS9 and earlier aircraft from the Airplanes directory
> > and restarted FSX, tne problem dissappeared.
> >
> > In short, some older aircraft will interfere will
> > cause nonsense data to be sent to FSUIPC.
> > I am trying to identify which FS9 and eariler
> > aircraft are causing the problem, becuase some
> > of them will work without causing the problem.
> >
> >
>
>
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Canuck wrote:
>
> Dagnabit! The editing in the above didn't work out too well, looked OK in
> preview. Hopefully you can make it out.
>

So FSX will find the gauges for FS9 aircraft if the
added "gauges" folder is in the added "Aircraft"
folder? ( I've already created the "Aircraft" and
"AI Aircraft" folders )

If this is the case, that will be a big help in keeping
the FSX.cfg from becoming overly BLOATED with entries
for many of the imported gauges, since once you tell it to "run"
the "non-trusted" gauge and tell it to "trust" it, FSX adds lines
in the cfg file for each seperate instance of a new "trusted" gauge.

I started putting the gauges in the associated aircrafts
panel folder but it would be much cleaner to have them in
a common gauges folder, seperate from the FSX default gauges
folder. Here's and example of the same gauge in two different
panel folders, from the FSX.cfg file:

K:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator
X\SimObjects\Aircraft\Lockheed L049A
Constellation\panel\F16.GAU.qwcnzrlwuzhwkbirwneiaiuiiltuacrtboeeiouw=2
K:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator
X\SimObjects\Aircraft\Lockheed
L-188\panel.test\F16.GAU.qwcnzrlwuzhwkbirwneiaiuiiltuacrtboeeiouw=2

As you can see thats alot of text, and if you have the same gauge used
in several
aircraft with a copy in every panel folder, it won't be long before
that cfg file
gets really LARGE!

It's late tonight so I've not checked your method out but
I certainly will tomorrow.

Paul
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"Gypsy Baron" <no-one.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Canuck wrote:
> >
> > Dagnabit! The editing in the above didn't work out too well, looked OK
in
> > preview. Hopefully you can make it out.
> >
>
> So FSX will find the gauges for FS9 aircraft if the
> added "gauges" folder is in the added "Aircraft"
> folder? ( I've already created the "Aircraft" and
> "AI Aircraft" folders )
>
> If this is the case, that will be a big help in keeping
> the FSX.cfg from becoming overly BLOATED with entries
> for many of the imported gauges, since once you tell it to "run"
> the "non-trusted" gauge and tell it to "trust" it, FSX adds lines
> in the cfg file for each seperate instance of a new "trusted" gauge.
>
> I started putting the gauges in the associated aircrafts
> panel folder but it would be much cleaner to have them in
> a common gauges folder, seperate from the FSX default gauges
> folder. Here's and example of the same gauge in two different
> panel folders, from the FSX.cfg file:

There is NO SUCH FILE as FSX.cfg. I searched
for it using the Windows file search utility, and it
comes back with no results.

Got it? Good
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Charles Newman wrote:

-SNIP-
> There is NO SUCH FILE as FSX.cfg. I searched
> for it using the Windows file search utility, and it
> comes back with no results.
>
> Got it? Good

Shirley, you jest...

You aren't serious are you?

fsx.CFG, as it actually shows up, but the case is most
likely irrelevant, is indeed present. And if you're not
joking, then look in your...
"Documents and Settings\(username)\Application Date\Microsoft\FSX"

There you shall find fsx.CFG, Cameras.CFG,dll.xml, a couple
of other files and three folders.

For those that want to "tweak", I suggest creating a shortcut
directly to fsx.CFG and place it on your desktop.

Paul
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:01:19 -0700, "Charles Newman"
<charlesnewman1 DeleteThis @comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote:

>
>Beware of installing older aircraft in FSX, as they can
>screw up the portion of FS that reports your
>geographic coordinates to FSUIPC 4.
>MyFSGoogleEarth and ActveSky were both getting
>crazy results, but as soon as I removed all the
>FS9 and earlier aircraft from the Airplanes directory
>and restarted FSX, tne problem dissappeared.
>
>In short, some older aircraft will interfere will
>cause nonsense data to be sent to FSUIPC.
>I am trying to identify which FS9 and eariler
>aircraft are causing the problem, becuase some
>of them will work without causing the problem.
>

Is this a problem when using AI aircraft, e.g., Aardvark, or just with
flyable ones?


Martin C
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What a rude person, shall not be assisting you in future! Got it, GOOD

"Charles Newman" <charlesnewman1 DeleteThis @comcast.do.not.spam.me.net> wrote in
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>
> "Gypsy Baron" <no-one DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> news:453B0191.52C3@aol.com...
>> Canuck wrote:
>> >
>> > Dagnabit! The editing in the above didn't work out too well, looked OK
> in
>> > preview. Hopefully you can make it out.
>> >
>>
>> So FSX will find the gauges for FS9 aircraft if the
>> added "gauges" folder is in the added "Aircraft"
>> folder? ( I've already created the "Aircraft" and
>> "AI Aircraft" folders )
>>
>> If this is the case, that will be a big help in keeping
>> the FSX.cfg from becoming overly BLOATED with entries
>> for many of the imported gauges, since once you tell it to "run"
>> the "non-trusted" gauge and tell it to "trust" it, FSX adds lines
>> in the cfg file for each seperate instance of a new "trusted" gauge.
>>
>> I started putting the gauges in the associated aircrafts
>> panel folder but it would be much cleaner to have them in
>> a common gauges folder, seperate from the FSX default gauges
>> folder. Here's and example of the same gauge in two different
>> panel folders, from the FSX.cfg file:
>
> There is NO SUCH FILE as FSX.cfg. I searched
> for it using the Windows file search utility, and it
> comes back with no results.
>
> Got it? Good
>
>
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Maybe some of those BZZZTs could have been omitted, but I don't think
Charles means ill, probably just frustrated -- as who of us has not
been? It's astonishing that fsx.cfg is still a hidden file, given that
FSX out of the box MUST be tweaked to get reasonable performance...

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Hi Paul,

Amazing, isn't it, how various blokes hang themselves out to be Experts
on various things...

Regards,
John Ward
"Gypsy Baron" <no-one.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Charles Newman wrote:
>
> -SNIP-
>> There is NO SUCH FILE as FSX.cfg. I searched
>> for it using the Windows file search utility, and it
>> comes back with no results.
>>
>> Got it? Good
>
> Shirley, you jest...
>
> You aren't serious are you?
>
> fsx.CFG, as it actually shows up, but the case is most
> likely irrelevant, is indeed present. And if you're not
> joking, then look in your...
> "Documents and Settings\(username)\Application Date\Microsoft\FSX"
>
> There you shall find fsx.CFG, Cameras.CFG,dll.xml, a couple
> of other files and three folders.
>
> For those that want to "tweak", I suggest creating a shortcut
> directly to fsx.CFG and place it on your desktop.
>
> Paul
>
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