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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:35 am
Post subject: Bands on an EEE PC
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:24 pm
Post subject: Re: Bands on an EEE PC [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<LordFolland.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote
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> My wife has recently obtained an EEEPC and would like to play angband
> or its variants (preferably ToME) on it. Does anyone know how to put
> it on this little machine. I have tried the compiled linux install
> from http://www.thangorodrim.net/ and can't get it to work.
This is almost certainly an issue about libraries. Linux avoids the kitchen
sink approach of Windows but this can result in quite arcane investigation
to uncover exactly which libraries are needed for a given application.
Most Linux distributions solve this problem by managing dependencies with
their package management software. Do you know which flavour of Linux is on
your Eeee? Are you up to installing a different distribution on it? (Does
the Eee come with a system restore image? It has no CD/DVD so I guess it
would be on an SD card...)
Short of replacing the Eee's OS with a proper distribution which will allow
you to simply install Angband using the package management tool, safely
bringing in all necessary libs, I can think of a couple of other solutions:
1. Compile it yourself from source. This is probably as challenging as
replacing the entire OS, but much less risky. Get the sources from
rephial.com, configure them to use *only* console mode (needs ncurses but is
the simplest in terms of library deps) and try compiling it. Of course, you
will need gcc on the Eee to do this, which may bring you back to the distro
problem ...
2. Install DosBOX and run the DOS version. The Eee's CPU is easily fast
enough to do this.
Both of these will result in console-mode Angband, i.e. only one main window
and no subwindows. This shouldn't be too much of an issue because the Eee
doesn't have much screen real estate to spare for subwindows, but if you're
allergic to this you'll have to do some more research to work out which
libraries are needed and how to get them. IIRC the default Linux version
uses -x11; you might be better off looking for a gtk version if the Eee has
gtk installed.
In case it's helpful, the Debian vesion of V (3.0.6) depends on the
following:
libc6 (you will certainly already have this)
libncurses5
libx11-6
libxaw7
libxext6
libxmu6
libxt6
libsm6
libice6
Oh dear. This is a kitchen sink compilation, offering console, X11 and Xaw
support. If the version you downloaded is the same, you're almost certainly
missing one of the libraries above (my money's on libxaw7).
If you can't find one anywhere else, I'm happy to try compiling a
console-only version for you, which will need only libc6 and ncurses5.
Good luck,
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:08 pm
Post subject: Re: Bands on an EEE PC [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Magnate wrote:
> <LordFolland DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> My wife has recently obtained an EEEPC and would like to play
>> angband or its variants (preferably ToME) on it. Does anyone know
>> how to put it on this little machine. I have tried the compiled
>> linux install from http://www.thangorodrim.net/ and can't get it to
>> work.
>
> This is almost certainly an issue about libraries. Linux avoids the
> kitchen sink approach of Windows but this can result in quite arcane
> investigation to uncover exactly which libraries are needed for a
> given application.
>
> Most Linux distributions solve this problem by managing dependencies
> with their package management software. Do you know which flavour of
> Linux is on your Eeee?
I had the chance to play with an Eee PC not long ago at work, so I did a
little research on it (not much). The distro it uses is reportedly a
variant of Xandros. From what I've been able to find online in a very
quick search or three, Xandros uses APT for package management; however,
the way the system is configured by default almost certainly is not
compatible with most of the APT repositories I know of.
> Are you up to installing a different distribution on it? (Does the
> Eee come with a system restore image? It has no CD/DVD so I guess it
> would be on an SD card...)
ISTR that A: the recommended way of doing OS installs and the like on
the Eee PC is to boot from a Flash drive, and B: there is supposed to be
an integrated (BIOS-accessed?) restore chip of some variety. Don't
assume that I know what I'm talking about there, though.
> Short of replacing the Eee's OS with a proper distribution which will
> allow you to simply install Angband using the package management
> tool, safely bringing in all necessary libs, I can think of a couple
> of other solutions:
>
> 1. Compile it yourself from source. This is probably as challenging
> as replacing the entire OS, but much less risky.
Given the need to first obtain and install the necessary dependency
libraries and their development headers, I'd say that this is probably
just about as challenging as getting a pre-compiled version to run
successfully, if not more so.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:28 pm
Post subject: Re: Bands on an EEE PC [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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"The Wanderer" <inverseparadox DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
> Magnate wrote:
>> <LordFolland DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> My wife has recently obtained an EEEPC and would like to play
>>> angband or its variants (preferably ToME) on it. Does anyone know
>>> how to put it on this little machine. I have tried the compiled
>>> linux install from http://www.thangorodrim.net/ and can't get it to
>>> work.
>>
>> This is almost certainly an issue about libraries. Linux avoids the
>> kitchen sink approach of Windows but this can result in quite arcane
>> investigation to uncover exactly which libraries are needed for a
>> given application.
>>
>> Most Linux distributions solve this problem by managing dependencies
>> with their package management software. Do you know which flavour of
>> Linux is on your Eeee?
>
> I had the chance to play with an Eee PC not long ago at work, so I did a
> little research on it (not much). The distro it uses is reportedly a
> variant of Xandros. From what I've been able to find online in a very
> quick search or three, Xandros uses APT for package management; however,
> the way the system is configured by default almost certainly is not
> compatible with most of the APT repositories I know of.
Hmmm. Is the Eee based on a standard x86 architecture? Or any of the other
12 architectures supported by Debian?
>> Are you up to installing a different distribution on it? (Does the
>> Eee come with a system restore image? It has no CD/DVD so I guess it
>> would be on an SD card...)
>
> ISTR that A: the recommended way of doing OS installs and the like on
> the Eee PC is to boot from a Flash drive, and B: there is supposed to be
> an integrated (BIOS-accessed?) restore chip of some variety. Don't
> assume that I know what I'm talking about there, though.
.... because if it is, and there is a system restore facility, my first
option would be to try installing Debian on it (and just doing apt-get
install angband afterwards).
>> Short of replacing the Eee's OS with a proper distribution which will
>> allow you to simply install Angband using the package management
>> tool, safely bringing in all necessary libs, I can think of a couple
>> of other solutions:
>>
>> 1. Compile it yourself from source. This is probably as challenging
>> as replacing the entire OS, but much less risky.
>
> Given the need to first obtain and install the necessary dependency
> libraries and their development headers, I'd say that this is probably
> just about as challenging as getting a pre-compiled version to run
> successfully, if not more so.
Hmm. I tend to find compiler errors (due to missing libs, headers etc.)
easier to follow and sort out than the kinds of errors you get when trying
to run precompiled stuff (which can be totally opaque).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:12 pm
Post subject: Re: Bands on an EEE PC [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Magnate wrote:
> "The Wanderer" <inverseparadox.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
>> Magnate wrote:
>>
>>> <LordFolland.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Most Linux distributions solve this problem by managing
>>> dependencies with their package management software. Do you know
>>> which flavour of Linux is on your Eeee?
>>
>> I had the chance to play with an Eee PC not long ago at work, so I
>> did a little research on it (not much). The distro it uses is
>> reportedly a variant of Xandros. From what I've been able to find
>> online in a very quick search or three, Xandros uses APT for
>> package management; however, the way the system is configured by
>> default almost certainly is not compatible with most of the APT
>> repositories I know of.
>
> Hmmm. Is the Eee based on a standard x86 architecture? Or any of the
> other 12 architectures supported by Debian?
I believe it's standard x86, yes.
A little Googling turns up nothing certain, but a glance at Wikipedia
tells us that it runs on a Celeron - so if you trust Wikipedia to be
correct on this, yes, it's x86. The Wikipedia article also says that
just about any other modern Linux distro will run on it.
>>> Are you up to installing a different distribution on it? (Does
>>> the Eee come with a system restore image? It has no CD/DVD so I
>>> guess it would be on an SD card...)
>>
>> ISTR that A: the recommended way of doing OS installs and the like
>> on the Eee PC is to boot from a Flash drive, and B: there is
>> supposed to be an integrated (BIOS-accessed?) restore chip of some
>> variety. Don't assume that I know what I'm talking about there,
>> though.
>
> ... because if it is, and there is a system restore facility, my
> first option would be to try installing Debian on it (and just doing
> apt-get install angband afterwards).
That would almost certainly work.
As far as there being a system restore facility: there is reportedly a
"get it working again" restore effect available by pressing F9 during
boot, but from what I can find I don't think that'll work unless the
preinstalled Linux is still on there. I can't find the "internal restore
chip" I thought I'd read about mentioned anywhere, so I was probably
remembering wrong.
They *do* provide a recovery CD, to reinstall the base system afresh,
but since there is not an internal optical drive actually making use of
it would require a USB-connected external one. (Then again, you'll
probably need that in order to install Debian in the first place.)
>>> Short of replacing the Eee's OS with a proper distribution which
>>> will allow you to simply install Angband using the package
>>> management tool, safely bringing in all necessary libs, I can
>>> think of a couple of other solutions:
>>>
>>> 1. Compile it yourself from source. This is probably as
>>> challenging as replacing the entire OS, but much less risky.
>>
>> Given the need to first obtain and install the necessary dependency
>> libraries and their development headers, I'd say that this is
>> probably just about as challenging as getting a pre-compiled
>> version to run successfully, if not more so.
>
> Hmm. I tend to find compiler errors (due to missing libs, headers
> etc.) easier to follow and sort out than the kinds of errors you get
> when trying to run precompiled stuff (which can be totally opaque).
I'd probably agree with that, but that just makes figuring out which
packages you need somewhat easier, not actually getting them and getting
them installed. (And in the absence of a functioning package management
system, you're probably going to have to compile the libraries
themselves, as well... which sort of sounds like fun to me, but would be
a pain if you just wanted to play Angband.)
--
The Wanderer
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:44 am
Post subject: Re: Bands on an EEE PC [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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The Wanderer wrote:
> Magnate wrote:
>> "The Wanderer" <inverseparadox DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> Magnate wrote:
>>>> <LordFolland DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Most Linux distributions solve this problem by managing
>>>> dependencies with their package management software. Do you know
>>>> which flavour of Linux is on your Eeee?
>>>
>>> I had the chance to play with an Eee PC not long ago at work, so I
>>> did a little research on it (not much). The distro it uses is
>>> reportedly a variant of Xandros. From what I've been able to find
>>> online in a very quick search or three, Xandros uses APT for
>>> package management; however, the way the system is configured by
>>> default almost certainly is not compatible with most of the APT
>>> repositories I know of.
>>
>> Hmmm. Is the Eee based on a standard x86 architecture? Or any of the
>> other 12 architectures supported by Debian?
>
> I believe it's standard x86, yes.
>
> A little Googling turns up nothing certain, but a glance at Wikipedia
> tells us that it runs on a Celeron - so if you trust Wikipedia to be
> correct on this, yes, it's x86. The Wikipedia article also says that
> just about any other modern Linux distro will run on it.
Sorry, that was very lazy of me. I had even read the Wikipedia article a
few weeks ago, but the info hadn't stuck.
>>>> Are you up to installing a different distribution on it? (Does
>>>> the Eee come with a system restore image? It has no CD/DVD so I
>>>> guess it would be on an SD card...)
>>>
>>> ISTR that A: the recommended way of doing OS installs and the like
>>> on the Eee PC is to boot from a Flash drive, and B: there is
>>> supposed to be an integrated (BIOS-accessed?) restore chip of some
>>> variety. Don't assume that I know what I'm talking about there,
>>> though.
>>
>> ... because if it is, and there is a system restore facility, my
>> first option would be to try installing Debian on it (and just doing
>> apt-get install angband afterwards).
>
> That would almost certainly work.
Well, I suspect the Eee's video chipset is fairly uncommon, so there may
not be an xorg driver for it yet. Other than that, yes, you should be
able to install a base system with no problems (and then compile a
console-only version of angband, if you can't get X working).
> As far as there being a system restore facility: there is reportedly a
> "get it working again" restore effect available by pressing F9 during
> boot, but from what I can find I don't think that'll work unless the
> preinstalled Linux is still on there. I can't find the "internal restore
> chip" I thought I'd read about mentioned anywhere, so I was probably
> remembering wrong.
>
> They *do* provide a recovery CD, to reinstall the base system afresh,
> but since there is not an internal optical drive actually making use of
> it would require a USB-connected external one. (Then again, you'll
> probably need that in order to install Debian in the first place.)
By no means - installing Debian over a network is trivial, providing the
Eee will boot from USB. There is even a new workaround for that, where
you download a little Debian pre-installer onto your device and it sets
itself up as an option on rebooting - that's designed for Windoze users
though and may not work on the Eee.
Anyway, if the OP wants to try this I would love to hear how it works.
We'll be on hand to advise if you brick the Eee ...!
>>>> Short of replacing the Eee's OS with a proper distribution which
>>>> will allow you to simply install Angband using the package
>>>> management tool, safely bringing in all necessary libs, I can
>>>> think of a couple of other solutions:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Compile it yourself from source. This is probably as
>>>> challenging as replacing the entire OS, but much less risky.
>>>
>>> Given the need to first obtain and install the necessary dependency
>>> libraries and their development headers, I'd say that this is
>>> probably just about as challenging as getting a pre-compiled
>>> version to run successfully, if not more so.
>>
>> Hmm. I tend to find compiler errors (due to missing libs, headers
>> etc.) easier to follow and sort out than the kinds of errors you get
>> when trying to run precompiled stuff (which can be totally opaque).
>
> I'd probably agree with that, but that just makes figuring out which
> packages you need somewhat easier, not actually getting them and getting
> them installed. (And in the absence of a functioning package management
> system, you're probably going to have to compile the libraries
> themselves, as well... which sort of sounds like fun to me, but would be
> a pain if you just wanted to play Angband.)
Agreed that the most important thing is a good package management
system. If the Eeee takes off I suspect that apt repositories will
spring up around it if it can't use the main ones.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 8:13 pm
Post subject: Re: Bands on an EEE PC [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On 2008-02-01, The Wanderer <inverseparadox RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> Magnate wrote:
>>>> Are you up to installing a different distribution on it? (Does
>>>> the Eee come with a system restore image? It has no CD/DVD so I
>>>> guess it would be on an SD card...)
>>> ISTR that A: the recommended way of doing OS installs and the like
>>> on the Eee PC is to boot from a Flash drive, and B: there is
>>> supposed to be an integrated (BIOS-accessed?) restore chip of some
>>> variety. Don't assume that I know what I'm talking about there,
>>> though.
>> ... because if it is, and there is a system restore facility, my
>> first option would be to try installing Debian on it (and just doing
>> apt-get install angband afterwards).
> That would almost certainly work.
>
> As far as there being a system restore facility: there is reportedly a
> "get it working again" restore effect available by pressing F9 during
> boot, but from what I can find I don't think that'll work unless the
> preinstalled Linux is still on there. I can't find the "internal restore
> chip" I thought I'd read about mentioned anywhere, so I was probably
> remembering wrong.
>
> They *do* provide a recovery CD, to reinstall the base system afresh,
> but since there is not an internal optical drive actually making use of
> it would require a USB-connected external one. (Then again, you'll
> probably need that in order to install Debian in the first place.)
From the Wikipedia article it looks like the initial OS image cannot be
deleted, only hidden, and the space cannot be recovered. Recovery is
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