Baldur's Gate II vs. Planescape: Torment

Zaghadka wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2007 14:16:32 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, s_valmont.DeleteThis@telus.net
> wrote:
>
>> Which tour de force from the RPG renaissance reigns supreme? Do you
>> prefer Torment's enigmatic unique storytelling? Or does Shadows of
>> Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>
> Kinda like 1 1/2 lb. Maine lobster vs. well-marbled, aged fillet mignon. Can't
> we just love 'em both?
>

Fillet steak - I don't think so ...Planescape was not overpriced
tasteless steak (normally covered in some silly sauce so that you don't
notice) whose only virtue is that it's tender. A well aged Rump steak,
that would be more like it.


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Mike Bowman wrote:
>
> "s_valmont@telus.net" wrote in news:1175548592.640805.300210
> @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>

>
> > Or does Shadows of
> > Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>
> What? The combat system was a mess.

To this day, baldur's gate is the most enjoyable computer game I have
ever played. SHADOWS wasn't as enjoyable, though still great. I was
never able to win the last fight, however, as you're not alowed to sleep
and regain spells.
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Zaghadka <zaghadka DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2 Apr 2007 14:16:32 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, s_valmont DeleteThis @telus.net
> wrote:
>
>>Which tour de force from the RPG renaissance reigns supreme? Do you
>>prefer Torment's enigmatic unique storytelling? Or does Shadows of
>>Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>
> Kinda like 1 1/2 lb. Maine lobster vs. well-marbled, aged fillet mignon. Can't
> we just love 'em both?

Since I think the way lobsters are cooked is inhuman, I'll go with Torment,
thank you very much. (Does that make any sense? Or is Torment supposed to
be the lobster here?)


mcv.
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of human experience would be not-real. -- Zachriel
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mcv wrote:
> Zaghadka <zaghadka.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2 Apr 2007 14:16:32 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
>> s_valmont.RemoveThis@telus.net wrote:
>>
>>> Which tour de force from the RPG renaissance reigns supreme? Do you
>>> prefer Torment's enigmatic unique storytelling? Or does Shadows of
>>> Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>>
>> Kinda like 1 1/2 lb. Maine lobster vs. well-marbled, aged fillet
>> mignon. Can't we just love 'em both?
>
> Since I think the way lobsters are cooked is inhuman, I'll go with
> Torment, thank you very much. (Does that make any sense? Or is
> Torment supposed to be the lobster here?)
>
>
> mcv.

Shoulda compared apples and bananas Zag--but then again, this being usenet
I'm sure they'd have been picked on, too, somehow.

--
chainbreaker
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chainbreaker <noone.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
> mcv wrote:
>> Zaghadka <zaghadka.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2 Apr 2007 14:16:32 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
>>> s_valmont.TakeThisOut@telus.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Which tour de force from the RPG renaissance reigns supreme? Do you
>>>> prefer Torment's enigmatic unique storytelling? Or does Shadows of
>>>> Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>>>
>>> Kinda like 1 1/2 lb. Maine lobster vs. well-marbled, aged fillet
>>> mignon. Can't we just love 'em both?
>>
>> Since I think the way lobsters are cooked is inhuman, I'll go with
>> Torment, thank you very much. (Does that make any sense? Or is
>> Torment supposed to be the lobster here?)
>
> Shoulda compared apples and bananas Zag--but then again, this being usenet
> I'm sure they'd have been picked on, too, somehow.

I'd definitelly go with bananas. Does Torment count as a banana?


mcv.
--
Science is not the be-all and end-all of human existence. It's a tool.
A very powerful tool, but not the only tool. And if only that which
could be verified scientifically was considered real, then nearly all
of human experience would be not-real. -- Zachriel
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vince garcia wrote:
> Mike Bowman wrote:
>
>>"s_valmont@telus.net" wrote in news:1175548592.640805.300210
>>@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>
>
>>>Or does Shadows of
>>>Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>>
>>What? The combat system was a mess.
>
>
> To this day, baldur's gate is the most enjoyable computer game I have
> ever played.

Better than BGII?

Better than Planescape: Torment?

Better than Star Conrol II?

Better than the FALLOUTS?!?

FOR SHAME!!!

(I also liked Vampire:Bloodlines a lot)

- Ron ^*^
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:43:30 +0200 (CEST), Mike Bowman
<michaelpbowman7x1.DeleteThis@hushmail.com> scribed into the ether:

>"s_valmont@telus.net" wrote in news:1175548592.640805.300210
>@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Which tour de force from the RPG renaissance reigns supreme? Do you
>> prefer Torment's enigmatic unique storytelling?
>
>Torment was a nice adventure game.
>
>> Or does Shadows of
>> Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>
>What? The combat system was a mess.

In what way? It had its share of wierd loopholes (you could do some pretty
freaky stuff with (limited) wish), but I never saw much of a mess.
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On Tue, 03 Apr 2007 12:08:58 GMT, vince garcia <vggarciaxx.DeleteThis@ix.netcom.com>
scribed into the ether:

>Mike Bowman wrote:
>>
>> "s_valmont@telus.net" wrote in news:1175548592.640805.300210
>> @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>
>>
>> > Or does Shadows of
>> > Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>>
>> What? The combat system was a mess.
>
>To this day, baldur's gate is the most enjoyable computer game I have
>ever played. SHADOWS wasn't as enjoyable, though still great. I was
>never able to win the last fight, however, as you're not alowed to sleep
>and regain spells.

Odd, that fight has never been an issue for me. Hell, there are people who
play solo mages and do it with just the main character and no party. Last
battle is just a couple of demons that die quickly enough with competant
melee, and then it's just an issue of breaking through Slayer/Irenicus'
magical defenses.

Actually, it's easier with a mage character, if you get an 18 wisdom, then
you can really abuse the hell out of the Wish spell as far as resting goes.

Hell, there have been a number of player mods made to inject some serious
difficulty into these sorts of fights.
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On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:08:58 -0700, vince garcia hath written thusly
(in article <4612466B.4912 DeleteThis @ix.netcom.com>):

> Mike Bowman wrote:
>>
>> "s_valmont@telus.net" wrote in news:1175548592.640805.300210
>> @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>>
>
>>
>>> Or does Shadows of
>>> Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>>
>> What? The combat system was a mess.
>
> To this day, baldur's gate is the most enjoyable computer game I have
> ever played. SHADOWS wasn't as enjoyable, though still great. I was
> never able to win the last fight, however, as you're not alowed to sleep
> and regain spells.

My most enjoyable was Baldur's Gate, with the Tales of the Sword Coast
expansion. I also gave BG II: SoA a try (OK, several tries! *L*), but
never got all the way through it. I don't recall where the last game I
played left off, as it was a few years ago on a friend's computer. I
saved the needed game files, though, in case I'm ever able to obtain a
copy of the game for Mac OS 9.2.2 (my friend had a Windows box).

What was it about the combat system that was so bad?

- E


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Anyone have thoughts on how these two games compare to The Elder
Scrolls IV: Oblivion?
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"Mike Bowman" <michaelpbowman7x1 DeleteThis @hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99071BB379881MPB@194.177.96.26...
> "s_valmont@telus.net" wrote in news:1175548592.640805.300210
> @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Which tour de force from the RPG renaissance reigns supreme? Do you
>> prefer Torment's enigmatic unique storytelling?
>
> Torment was a nice adventure game.
>
>> Or does Shadows of
>> Amn just do too many traditional things to perfection?
>
> What? The combat system was a mess.

Well, since I finished Torment twice and never finished BG2 I guess you have
my vote.

ChuckM
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