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(Msg. 61) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:07 am
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> > Tekken 3, Bleem!: - I don't much care for Tekken, but to support Bleem
> > I picked this disc up(and Tekken 3). My buddies all loved it, so other
> > than supporting Bleem, I got it so they'd have something to play as
> > well. Makes Tekken 3 look very good...though sadly(and not Bleem's
> > fault) the game just lost so much of its graphic luster in its port to
> > the PSX(the 3D backgrounds mostly). I don't understand why they
> > couldn't have done it on the PSX, I mean, look at Soul Blade, that
> > thing had 3D backgrounds...and imo, it looked great for the time.
>
> SB didn't actually have 3d backgrounds. Heck, Soul Calibur didn't either.
On SB, Are you sure? I remember actually seeing 3D pieces in a lot of the
backgrounds...unless, maybe it was more like 2.5D and only one side was
really visible no matter what camera angle. Hmm....
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(Msg. 62) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:52 am
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In article <42404257.E3B9D971.TakeThisOut@ev1.net>,
BelPowerslave <belpowerslave.TakeThisOut@ev1.net> wrote:
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>> > Space Channel 5 - I bought this for $5, new at Target...and I still
>> > question why. I hate playing it...I HATE it. Now, putting it on
>> > Auto-play isn't too bad...though that gets pretty old too. At least
>> > the holographic cover-thing is kinda cool...
>>
>> Never understood why Sega tried to make that the DC's flagship title
>> back in 2000....
>
>Yeah, me either.
Space Channel 5 is one of those games that would be more successful in a
society where music education is compulsory, rather than an expensive
add-on option. Remember the piano scale puzzle in Super Mario RPG? You
don't have to be able to carry a tune in order to solve that problem, but
you do have to have the basics of music theory in your head right there
next to the alphabet and the multiplication tables. In a similar way,
having that knowledge on tap is one of the reasons why I really enjoy
Space Channel 5 as a prime example of a rhythm and music game that doesn't
require a specialized controller (or any special physical skills.)
That's not to say anything against people who don't happen to enjoy the
game for any reason. You could be Todd-Freaking-Rundgren and still not
care for Space Channel 5, and that would be absolutely your right. But I
think that as an example of poor business decisions from Sega, this is one
case where they seriously overestimated the level of their consumer base.
Any other publisher would have correctly categorized this as a niche
title, and Sega boldly (and pretty blindly) expected the mainstream to
accept it. They do get points for chutzpah though. 
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(Msg. 63) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:06 pm
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Am 22 Mar 2005 09:02:12 GMT schrieb Joe Ottoson:
> BelPowerslave <belpowerslave DeleteThis @ev1.net> wrote in
> news:423F494C.7169239F@ev1.net:
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>> Tekken 3, Bleem!: - I don't much care for Tekken, but to support Bleem
>> I picked this disc up(and Tekken 3). My buddies all loved it, so other
>> than supporting Bleem, I got it so they'd have something to play as
>> well. Makes Tekken 3 look very good...though sadly(and not Bleem's
>> fault) the game just lost so much of its graphic luster in its port to
>> the PSX(the 3D backgrounds mostly). I don't understand why they
>> couldn't have done it on the PSX, I mean, look at Soul Blade, that
>> thing had 3D backgrounds...and imo, it looked great for the time.
>
> SB didn't actually have 3d backgrounds. Heck, Soul Calibur didn't either.
hmm
http://www.emutalk.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=17446&stc=1
http://www.emutalk.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=17793&stc=1
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(Msg. 64) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:14 pm
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BelPowerslave wrote:
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> I will give you that the rendered chicks rocks, but past that I just don't care for
> it. 128-bit Simon Says just isn't my bag. 
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(Msg. 65) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:21 pm
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ammonton DeleteThis @cc.full.stop.helsinki.fi wrote:
> In alt.games.video.sega-saturn BelPowerslave <belpowerslave DeleteThis @ev1.net> wrote:
> Depends on the game, really. Many race tracks have long straights,
> hills etc. which means there's lots of things that should be visible but
> that can't be drawn because it will take too much time. On the other
> hand FPS levels are designed with these limitations in mind, and they
> also have lots of technology to determine which bits aren't visible and
> can be ignored. The features on Saturn Quake at Curmudgeongamer show how
> the original PC levels were altered in some places to break up wide
> spaces, allowing more parts to be culled before drawing. Similarly a
> feature on the making of Wipeout in Edge magazine a few issues back
> explained how the big drop in one of the levels had to be changed to
> take place in a tunnel as the popup would have been too severe
> otherwise. (And FPSes are by no means immune to popup, see Turok.)
> -a
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(Msg. 66) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:21 pm
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BelPowerslave wrote:
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> > > I never did get a chance to play either 2 or 3...but from what I hear, I won't like
> > > them nearly as much as part 1...so I generally don't even bother picking them up when
> > > I see them about.
> >
> > CT3 is cheap, and you have an Xbox; it's worth picking up. It's got
> > versions of 1 and 2 on it, and gives you things like the hop in CT1, and
> > I think the main game is better than 2's main game, but nowhere near as
> > good as 1.
>
> Hmmmmm, isn't part 3 in Las Vegas or something? I think I gathered that much just looking
> at the cover. If I can get it for around $20 or less, I may consider picking it up.
>
> > Pretty much the main reason to pick up 2 by itself is the
> > minigames. The minigames in each of the CTs are worthwhile on their own
> > (once the game is cheap). I'd be willing to pay $20 a year for a new
> > Crazy Taxi minigame disc...
> >
>
> I didn't much care for the mini-games in part 1, are they pretty similar in part 2?
I may have liked them more in 2 than in 1, but that may have been
partuially due to the fact that I wasn't especially interested in
getting back to the main game in 2...
If you're going to get 3 anyways, try those minigames and see if your
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(Msg. 67) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:45 pm
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> Spider-Man - Rather than just "bleeming it" the guys a Neversoft(I think
> that's
> the dev) actually recoded and enhanced the graphics for this conversion. I
> don't
> think they added anything new to the game, but it really didn't need it
> anyway.
> Loved this on the PSX, even traded it in towards this version.
I was always upset with the 'bad' ports to the dreamcast, so when once and
while
a good one where the developers actually put some time into it came along it
was
a cause for celebration. Another great port I thought was Soul Reaver, I
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(Msg. 68) Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:50 pm
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> Blue Stinger - Haven't put a whole lot of time into this one, got it dirt
> cheap
> about a year ago. From what I hear, you'll either really like it, or just
> absolutely hate it. We'll see how it goes...
I played through the Japanese version and loved it.. but it's defintely a
love it
or hate it kind of game. I liked the rpg elements where you could level
yourself
up by defeating enemies and then buying vacuum sealed vending machine meats
that upped your stats in various ways.
From what I understand, the Japanese versions camera was a bit different
from the
US version. They allegedly tried to 'fix' it for the US release.. I didn't
have any
problem with the JP release so I can't vouch for which one is better,..
I think at least one dramatic moment (running away from the soon to explode
oil tank)
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(Msg. 69) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:48 am
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> > Spider-Man - Rather than just "bleeming it" the guys a Neversoft(I think
> > that's
> > the dev) actually recoded and enhanced the graphics for this conversion. I
> > don't
> > think they added anything new to the game, but it really didn't need it
> > anyway.
> > Loved this on the PSX, even traded it in towards this version.
>
> I was always upset with the 'bad' ports to the dreamcast, so when once and
> while
> a good one where the developers actually put some time into it came along it
> was
> a cause for celebration. Another great port I thought was Soul Reaver, I
> love that
> game on the Dreamcast.
I didn't see too much of SR(past the demo on the various DC demo discs) but it
always looked kinda "Bleemed" to me...but then again, those textures looked
really good, so maybe not. I agree though, I really dig it when the dev. puts
some extra effort in and attempts to reprogram the game using the DC's
strengths.
Bel
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(Msg. 70) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:01 pm
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BelPowerslave <belpowerslave.DeleteThis@ev1.net> wrote:
> > I'm slightly disappointed there's nothing on San Francisco Rush 2049.
> > I'm a HUGE fan of the 4-player battle mode, so I was looking forward to
> > your review. Ah well, I may have to do my own...
> >
>
> I know it...it's one that I always had meant to pick up ever since I had
> played a demo of it, but just never got around to it. I can't remember if
> it's coming out on MAT v3 or not, but I still doubt it'll include the 4
> player battle mode, so I'll definitely still get the DC version at some
> point.
You're saying you *don't* have it? Get it now. Seriously.
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(Msg. 71) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:01 pm
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Ted <nospamforted DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> BelPowerslave wrote:
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> > Metropolis Street Racer - Another I got in that lot of DC stuff....man, I *hate*
> > this game. I think it's just too sim-ish for me...
>
> I don't enjoy sim games, but I really liked MSR.
Same here (on both counts). It's a total pain at the start, but once
you get a few chapters in it gets a lot more fun. Sounds like it's my
turn to say "stick with it", Bel...
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(Msg. 72) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:01 pm
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> > > I'm slightly disappointed there's nothing on San Francisco Rush 2049.
> > > I'm a HUGE fan of the 4-player battle mode, so I was looking forward to
> > > your review. Ah well, I may have to do my own...
> > >
> >
> > I know it...it's one that I always had meant to pick up ever since I had
> > played a demo of it, but just never got around to it. I can't remember if
> > it's coming out on MAT v3 or not, but I still doubt it'll include the 4
> > player battle mode, so I'll definitely still get the DC version at some
> > point.
>
> You're saying you *don't* have it? Get it now. Seriously.
>
> -Rus.
Yeah, I really need to. I played the hell out of the demo, and just really dug
it(I'm a huge fan of the entire Rush series, which is why that MATv3 has me so
hyped), but just never got around to picking it up. I need to get my ass on ebay
and order a copy right now!
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(Msg. 73) Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 12:01 pm
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> > > Metropolis Street Racer - Another I got in that lot of DC stuff....man, I *hate*
> > > this game. I think it's just too sim-ish for me...
> >
> > I don't enjoy sim games, but I really liked MSR.
>
> Same here (on both counts). It's a total pain at the start, but once
> you get a few chapters in it gets a lot more fun. Sounds like it's my
> turn to say "stick with it", Bel...
>
> -Rus.
Hehehhe, yeah, I think everyone I've ever told my thought of MSR on tells me this. It's
like Rainbow Six on the DC, or Ghost Recon on the Xbox...I just can't get into it no
matter how much I try. 
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