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Matt v3.2 wrote:

> LOL! Well, at 60GB, perhaps they need a Mini-Me version.

They do have a Mini-Me version. From their website you can buy a version
that has just a smaller area of land and not the whole world modeled.
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On 2008-04-30, CoinSpin <coin^spam^spin@comcast.net> wrote:
> Justisaur wrote:
>> It's almost enough to quit again, and I'm sure influenced my decisions
>> to quit the last couple of times. It's certainly enough to get me to
>> avoid and hate grouping with many people, especially masterminds, and
>> not play a mastermind. I'm tempted to try upgrading my computer
>> again, but there are way too many other things with basic living I
>> really need first, like air conditioning, and I'm not sure if it would
>> have much effect. It was 86 this weekend here, and temperatures over
>> 100 in the summer are normal.
>
> I know on my end, I used to play City of Heroes on my notebook with no
> problems at all when I was on the road, then once the CoV engine was
> patched in, things began slogging down. Actually PLAYING the villain
> side was impossible on that notebook. Luckily, I've upgraded since then
> and have a nice graphics card in this new one. But even this system is
> taxed, and the comparisons are amazing... I had a single core system
> with 1 gig RAM and a nVidia 6 series GoForce card in my original laptop,
> and the new one is dual core, 2 gigs RAM, 7800 nvidia card with 128 meg,
> and all this new horsepower still doesn't run CoV as fast as CoH used to
> run. It's usable, but not pretty.

It's hard to tell exactly what impact City of Villains orgiastic
graphics excess had to do with the slump in customers after the spike of
CoV, but I'm sure it didn't help. For one thing, it created a huge
negative buzz amid the player population that still lasts to this day
despite much optimization. 1/3 of the content is villainside, and for a
lot of the CoH population, "I won't be able to play on villain teams
because of graphics hell" is one reason on their long list of reasons
to stay on the hero faction.

City of Villains is a very poor example of "it's fine to keep upgrading
the graphics engine".

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Thus spake john.dsl.DeleteThis@verizon.net (John Lewis), Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:22:17 GMT,
Anno Domini:

>On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:08:58 -0400, Ross Ridge
><rridge.DeleteThis@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>
>>Ross Ridge <rridge.DeleteThis@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>>No. If pushing up the requirements of City of Heroes was a bad thing
>>>then they wouldn't have done it. It would've much easier to continue
>>>along with similar system requirements as World of Warcraft if that was
>>>the secret to WoW's unprecedented success.
>>
>>John Lewis <john.dsl.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>CoH seems to have fallen off the edge of a cliff while WoW still goes
>>>from strength to strength. I saw multiple new copies of CoH @ $2.99 in
>>>the CompUSA bargain-bin 6 months before CompUSA's liquidation sales.
>>>Your alternate hypothesis seems to have some holes in its argument.
>>
>>No. The success of City of Heroes relative World of Warcraft has nothing
>>to do with their system requirements. If that was the secret of WoW's
>>unprecented success then CoH should have also enjoyed the same unprecented
>>success during the time when they both had similar system requirements.
>
>Modest System Requirements is sure one of the criteria of WoW success.
>And another is the modest requirements by the client on network
>bandwidth. Plays great on a wide range of lap-top computers. Log-in
>and play while you are traveling.

When did CoV come out again? Is there any correlation with the new graphics
engine in CoX & a sharp fall in sub numbers? If not, then that's probably
irrelevant, at least for CoX. In any case, CoX has always needed more grunt
& was slower to run & used more system resources than WoW imo. Only GW comes
close to beating WoW on hardware compatibility imo, though GW looks
generations ahead of it, so it's not really apples & apples.

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Nostromo <nospam.RemoveThis@forme.org> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>Thus spake john.dsl.RemoveThis@verizon.net (John Lewis), Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:22:17 GMT,
>Anno Domini:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:08:58 -0400, Ross Ridge
>><rridge.RemoveThis@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Ross Ridge <rridge.RemoveThis@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>>>>No. If pushing up the requirements of City of Heroes was a bad thing
>>>>then they wouldn't have done it. It would've much easier to continue
>>>>along with similar system requirements as World of Warcraft if that was
>>>>the secret to WoW's unprecedented success.
>>>
>>>John Lewis <john.dsl.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>CoH seems to have fallen off the edge of a cliff while WoW still goes
>>>>from strength to strength. I saw multiple new copies of CoH @ $2.99 in
>>>>the CompUSA bargain-bin 6 months before CompUSA's liquidation sales.
>>>>Your alternate hypothesis seems to have some holes in its argument.
>>>
>>>No. The success of City of Heroes relative World of Warcraft has nothing
>>>to do with their system requirements. If that was the secret of WoW's
>>>unprecented success then CoH should have also enjoyed the same unprecented
>>>success during the time when they both had similar system requirements.
>>
>>Modest System Requirements is sure one of the criteria of WoW success.
>>And another is the modest requirements by the client on network
>>bandwidth. Plays great on a wide range of lap-top computers. Log-in
>>and play while you are traveling.
>
>When did CoV come out again?
May 2004

>Is there any correlation with the new graphics
>engine in CoX & a sharp fall in sub numbers? If not, then that's probably
>irrelevant, at least for CoX. In any case, CoX has always needed more grunt
>& was slower to run & used more system resources than WoW imo. Only GW comes
>close to beating WoW on hardware compatibility imo, though GW looks
>generations ahead of it, so it's not really apples & apples.

CoH can still be played on older systems, you just have to turn the
graphics back down to the levels they were at release.
They were smart enough to not make the graphics upgrade mandatory to
play, but gave more eye candy to those with more powerful systems
without chucking the weak systems off completely.

Network bandwidth needed on the other hand has increased sharply,
although not really because of the graphics but other additions.

IE Breakout in CoV, when you get out into the yard, there used to be
very little other activity, but somewhere along the way they decided
they needed a big longbow vs Arachnos set piece battle AND that every
last bit of it needed to be transmitted to the player.

On Dialup that meant I stepped outside and then froze for up to a couple
minutes as it tried to send an elephants worth of data through a
drinking straw.
Ditto for the Supatrolls in Skyway City - I had only to get within a
block or two of the big gathering by the warehouse and the connection
saturated.
With the "stop the Paladin from getting built" in Kings Row I couldn't
get within 3 blocks of it and often got knocked completely offline.

This kind of thing made it impossible to team at all since you'd end up
frozen half the time.


Now with broadband, I cranked everything to max and have no slowdowns at
all (well almost - Rikti attacks get a tad slow with all the powers
going off) and can team again if I choose to.

Xocyll
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a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
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Thus spake CoinSpin <coin^spam^spin@comcast.net>, Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:17:58
-0400, Anno Domini:

>Actually PLAYING the villain
>side was impossible on that notebook. Luckily, I've upgraded since then
>and have a nice graphics card in this new one. But even this system is
>taxed, and the comparisons are amazing... I had a single core system
>with 1 gig RAM and a nVidia 6 series GoForce card in my original laptop,
>and the new one is dual core, 2 gigs RAM, 7800 nvidia card with 128 meg,
>and all this new horsepower still doesn't run CoV as fast as CoH used to
>run. It's usable, but not pretty.

Heh, lucky you - I can't even fire up CoX on my work laptop now. After I
select the character, the progress bar on the load screen just takes too
long & the I get disconnected after 3-5 mins every time. WoW OTOH loads &
runs fine (as does GW), even if a bit sluggish in places.

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Thus spake Xocyll <Xocyll DeleteThis @kingston.net>, Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:11 -0400,
Anno Domini:

>Now with broadband, I cranked everything to max and have no slowdowns at
>all (well almost - Rikti attacks get a tad slow with all the powers
>going off) and can team again if I choose to.

Woo hoo, he's finally got cable!!! >8^D

So, did you have to move X? ;-p

Btw, I have a sexy little up-n-coming 10th stalker on Virtue (how
inappropriate called Nightstasia - I'm on every now & then (7-10pm AEST)
- give me a yell & let me know what charnames you're runnin with. My MM
"Minion Mistress" is still serviceable too at 23rd level.

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Nostromo <nospam.RemoveThis@forme.org> looked up from reading the entrails of the
porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:

>Thus spake Xocyll <Xocyll.RemoveThis@kingston.net>, Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:11 -0400,
>Anno Domini:
>
>>Now with broadband, I cranked everything to max and have no slowdowns at
>>all (well almost - Rikti attacks get a tad slow with all the powers
>>going off) and can team again if I choose to.
>
>Woo hoo, he's finally got cable!!! >8^D

DSL actually.

>So, did you have to move X? ;-p

Yeah I finally moved.

>Btw, I have a sexy little up-n-coming 10th stalker on Virtue (how
>inappropriate called Nightstasia - I'm on every now & then (7-10pm AEST)
>- give me a yell & let me know what charnames you're runnin with. My MM
>"Minion Mistress" is still serviceable too at 23rd level.

I'm actually currently playing a rad/archery defender on Virtue.
Tried a rad/rad for a while on another server, then tried a
dark/archery, but decided that I liked the acc/def debuff of RI far
better than the acc/dam debuff of Darkest Night.
The rad/rad was an experiment to have a high recharge attack similar to
my plant/psi dominators psionic Dart which recharges in about a second
(1.5 second base and a couple recharge SOs.)
Unfortunately the -def of the rad attack isn't nearly as good as
the-recharge psi attacks give, and the psi attack did more damage to
boot.

Also logged on my mind/kin controller Synapticide (Liberty) for a bit
and finally leveled it to 20.

Been bouncing around between servers a lot lately playing older
characters that I abandoned at some previous point.

For a brief while I tried playing my highest villain up to get it to 50
before the new villain ATs go in, but found I really wasn't having any
fun doing it so that stopped rather quickly.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr
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Nostromo wrote:
> LOL! Like Steam is a valid statistical cross-section of the online
> gaming population.

How do you know it isn't?

> Do you know how many WoW players, just for example,
> don't even know the meaning of the term mmo(rpg)?

But why does that matter if they know what it means or not? It has no
bearing on whether they'll play it.

> Case in point:
> there are no mmos being sold on Steam .

Incorrect, EVE Online can now be downloaded through Steam.

> I think that only addresses a small percentage of cases. The reality is,
> publishers/developers pander to the graphics whores out there because
> that's where they think the safe money is. Sad thing is, they're
> probably justified from a simple marketing perspective.

If the 'safe' money is in graphical whorage, doesn't logic dictate that
most people must then have computers capable of delivering on those
graphics? QED?

> I must've missed them.

Wouldn't be subliminal, otherwise!

> Heh, I'm married to my best friend & the love of my life...

Married your computer too, eh?

> I already
> have a fast enough car; I don't drink nor smoke nor do drugs, so what's
> there left?

Starving children in Africa? Me?

> Btw, does [Uplink] have ultra-l33t graphics though dude? ;-p

In blinding 2D clarity! Get this, the buttons have... color gradients!
And there's text! Did I mention buttons?

> He, he. The real issue is that you can't get Blizzard (like most mmos)
> to delete your account

You could change the email to something silly and then auto-reset the
password to alphanumeric nonsense, that's what I did.

TheSmokingGnu
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On May 2, 8:29 am, sw <s....RemoveThis@eyrie.org> wrote:
> On 2008-05-02, Xocyll <Xoc....RemoveThis@kingston.net> wrote:
>
> > The not fun bit was that my ss/elec brute was kicking ass up to level 40
> > at max difficulty and then went from being super to being gimped.
> > Even on minimum difficulty the aracnoids were shredding me.
>
> > Nothing stops the fun like super overpowered enemies that swarm you.
>
> That's kind of true in City of Heroes too (Malta, Carnival of Shadows,
> Rularuu), to an extent. But 40+ City of Villains made me appreciate that
> my highest level character had a self-rez.

Yeah, I stopped playing my ill/rad controller ages ago, both when they
nerfed the hell out of her powers, and things got ridiculously tough
so she's pretty much parked at 41. I logged her on recently and tried
playing, I ran a carny mission and died 3 times trying to take on an
illusionist boss - which took I think an hour before I could take her
out finally. Not fun. Also had difficulty finding any groups at that
level doing anything interesting (I like TFs and other really
difficult stuff) She's on Virtue, although none of my other characters
are, so if you ever need a 41 ill/rad try looking me up (o.k. not sure
what info you'd need, her name is Clockwork Queen, but I never play
her). She's my only character 40+

My other high mid levels that are parked are a fire/devices blaster,
Samantha Ash, I believe some nerf or other hit her around 30, and
while she leveled incredibly fast, she just wasn't fun, pretty much
pure solo.

A 29 stone/fire tanker volcano girl (now something completely
different due to time not logged into her) - actually great fun, but I
got a bit irritated as I was suprised to find she did much better solo
than in groups (actually fairly true of my ill/rad controller too),
might have just been the groups or that I'm that good .

A 32 robot/dark MM, iWar Black - Just got boring I guess, and my comp
couldn't handle MMs in groups, he also needs a respec. I think both of
those are on Justice

My new one is Mauldin on Freedom a 29 Stone/Willpower Brute, love him,
but I'd like to respec to tighten his build up a bit. I'm thinking of
paying the fee to move him to Virtue as I didn't realize freedom was
east coast, and I'm west, and I think I like the community on Virtue
or Justice better.

At least there is a way to move characters, even if you have to pay
through the nose to do it.

I keep wanting to try Superstrength/Willpower but I can't get a
concept I can stand. I created 3 in a row on virtue, Only got one out
of the zig, and I don't really like him either. I had a "Shoveler"
clone, but it doesn't really work without a shovel, a "Strong Man" -
but I couldn't stand looking a the bare chest, and they didn't have an
over one shoulder top I could find, and lastly I made The Dwead Piwate
Peanut as an ode to Fezzik, but that just doesn't seem very superish.

I've also got a dark/rad corruptor on Justice at 17, which I really
like, but she's no where near the fun of my brute, and a zombie/poison
mm at 12 on Virtue which I really like the concept on, but can't seem
to stand playing MMs anymore.

- Justisaur
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Xocyll wrote:
> Nostromo <nospam RemoveThis @forme.org> looked up from reading the entrails of the
> porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>
>> Thus spake Xocyll <Xocyll RemoveThis @kingston.net>, Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:11 -0400,
>> Anno Domini:
>>
>>> Now with broadband, I cranked everything to max and have no slowdowns at
>>> all (well almost - Rikti attacks get a tad slow with all the powers
>>> going off) and can team again if I choose to.
>> Woo hoo, he's finally got cable!!! >8^D
>
> DSL actually.
>
>> So, did you have to move X? ;-p
>
> Yeah I finally moved.

Just to get DSL? That's the spirit! I know I would

>> Btw, I have a sexy little up-n-coming 10th stalker on Virtue (how
>> inappropriate called Nightstasia - I'm on every now & then (7-10pm AEST)
>> - give me a yell & let me know what charnames you're runnin with. My MM
>> "Minion Mistress" is still serviceable too at 23rd level.
>
> I'm actually currently playing a rad/archery defender on Virtue.
> Tried a rad/rad for a while on another server, then tried a
> dark/archery, but decided that I liked the acc/def debuff of RI far
> better than the acc/dam debuff of Darkest Night.
> The rad/rad was an experiment to have a high recharge attack similar to
> my plant/psi dominators psionic Dart which recharges in about a second
> (1.5 second base and a couple recharge SOs.)
> Unfortunately the -def of the rad attack isn't nearly as good as
> the-recharge psi attacks give, and the psi attack did more damage to
> boot.

Cool. I also have a plant/thorns dom called Venus Vice parked at 7th
which I had quite a bit of fun with (though slow to solo). I'm really
enjoying my Dark/Dark Stalker far more for soloing. There's just
something about taking out most mobs in one hit & all the hit & run
tactics which appeal. It's certainly a soloing AT through & through. If
you haven't tried one, I'd definitely recommend one. Energy primary is
the most powerful (overpowered really) compared to other primaries, &
most ppl like Ninja or Regen for 2ndaries, but you know me, never one to
min-max just to make it easier - always the maso player . Dark/dark is
actually a bit safer in some ways, but will require a lot of stamina
down the track with 6 active toggles in the build (yikes!).

> Also logged on my mind/kin controller Synapticide (Liberty) for a bit
> and finally leveled it to 20.

Cool. I've got a 6th mind/empathy controller "MYOB" parked as well who
was a bit of fun way back when (who's bloody name has been pinched by
some other asshat - that's the 2nd char now grrrrr!!!).

> Been bouncing around between servers a lot lately playing older
> characters that I abandoned at some previous point.

Hopefully they will make the game server-independent at some stage, as
they keep hinting.

> For a brief while I tried playing my highest villain up to get it to 50
> before the new villain ATs go in, but found I really wasn't having any
> fun doing it so that stopped rather quickly.

Try a stalker...really.

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Nostromo <nostromo RemoveThis @nospam.org> looked up from reading the entrails of
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>Xocyll wrote:
>> Nostromo <nospam RemoveThis @forme.org> looked up from reading the entrails of the
>> porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs say:
>>
>>> Thus spake Xocyll <Xocyll RemoveThis @kingston.net>, Wed, 30 Apr 2008 13:55:11 -0400,
>>> Anno Domini:
>>>
>>>> Now with broadband, I cranked everything to max and have no slowdowns at
>>>> all (well almost - Rikti attacks get a tad slow with all the powers
>>>> going off) and can team again if I choose to.
>>> Woo hoo, he's finally got cable!!! >8^D
>>
>> DSL actually.
>>
>>> So, did you have to move X? ;-p
>>
>> Yeah I finally moved.
>
>Just to get DSL? That's the spirit! I know I would

Not really. Moved and where I moved to could get it so I got it.

>>> Btw, I have a sexy little up-n-coming 10th stalker on Virtue (how
>>> inappropriate called Nightstasia - I'm on every now & then (7-10pm AEST)
>>> - give me a yell & let me know what charnames you're runnin with. My MM
>>> "Minion Mistress" is still serviceable too at 23rd level.
>>
>> I'm actually currently playing a rad/archery defender on Virtue.
>> Tried a rad/rad for a while on another server, then tried a
>> dark/archery, but decided that I liked the acc/def debuff of RI far
>> better than the acc/dam debuff of Darkest Night.
>> The rad/rad was an experiment to have a high recharge attack similar to
>> my plant/psi dominators psionic Dart which recharges in about a second
>> (1.5 second base and a couple recharge SOs.)
>> Unfortunately the -def of the rad attack isn't nearly as good as
>> the-recharge psi attacks give, and the psi attack did more damage to
>> boot.
>
>Cool. I also have a plant/thorns dom called Venus Vice parked at 7th
>which I had quite a bit of fun with (though slow to solo). I'm really
>enjoying my Dark/Dark Stalker far more for soloing. There's just
>something about taking out most mobs in one hit & all the hit & run
>tactics which appeal. It's certainly a soloing AT through & through. If
>you haven't tried one, I'd definitely recommend one. Energy primary is
>the most powerful (overpowered really) compared to other primaries, &
>most ppl like Ninja or Regen for 2ndaries, but you know me, never one to
>min-max just to make it easier - always the maso player . Dark/dark is
>actually a bit safer in some ways, but will require a lot of stamina
>down the track with 6 active toggles in the build (yikes!).

I tried plant/thorns briefly, but the same thing that bugged me about
spines bugs me about /thorns, the spins sticking out everywhere and
moreover the fact that you had to spike up the thorns before the ranged
attacks could be used. Even if there is no actual redraw lag it was
annoying, not to mention would look horrible with wings.

>> Also logged on my mind/kin controller Synapticide (Liberty) for a bit
>> and finally leveled it to 20.
>
>Cool. I've got a 6th mind/empathy controller "MYOB" parked as well who
>was a bit of fun way back when (who's bloody name has been pinched by
>some other asshat - that's the 2nd char now grrrrr!!!).

Some "other" asshat? Watch what you're calling yourself.

>> Been bouncing around between servers a lot lately playing older
>> characters that I abandoned at some previous point.
>
>Hopefully they will make the game server-independent at some stage, as
>they keep hinting.

That would be bad since many of my characters share names, they're just
on different servers.

>> For a brief while I tried playing my highest villain up to get it to 50
>> before the new villain ATs go in, but found I really wasn't having any
>> fun doing it so that stopped rather quickly.
>
>Try a stalker...really.

Did briefly, but didn't care for it much.

The not fun bit was that my ss/elec brute was kicking ass up to level 40
at max difficulty and then went from being super to being gimped.
Even on minimum difficulty the aracnoids were shredding me.

Nothing stops the fun like super overpowered enemies that swarm you.

Xocyll
--
I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr
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On 2008-05-02, Xocyll <Xocyll.RemoveThis@kingston.net> wrote:
> The not fun bit was that my ss/elec brute was kicking ass up to level 40
> at max difficulty and then went from being super to being gimped.
> Even on minimum difficulty the aracnoids were shredding me.
>
> Nothing stops the fun like super overpowered enemies that swarm you.

That's kind of true in City of Heroes too (Malta, Carnival of Shadows,
Rularuu), to an extent. But 40+ City of Villains made me appreciate that
my highest level character had a self-rez.

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"Religion disperses like a fog, kingdoms perish, but the works of
scholars remain for an eternity." - Ulughbek
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Nostromo wrote:
> Common sense.

TheSmokingGnu writes:
>That's an opinion, not fact.

Zaghadka <president.TakeThisOut@whitehouse.gov> wrote:
>Gnu, if all we had to rely on were *facts*, life would be very simple. Your
>idiotic, fact*less* challenge of Nostromo's opinion does not question whether
>it is a "poor" opinion or a "well-reasoned and excellent" opinion.

No, TheSmokingGnu is correct. The Valve System Survey is in fact
the best publically available source of information about the sort of
computers gamers actually have. Compared the sort of speculation you and
Nostromo are engaging in, deviod of any sort of objective observations,
TheSmokingGnu's argument is both well-reasoned and excellent.

Ross Ridge

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