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Nick van Rjin

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:11 pm
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Greetings r.g.r.n.,

My interest in Nethack waxes and wanes like the moon's phases, and I
think I'm regaining my passion now. After becoming addicted to the
excellent and also ASCII-based Dwarf Fortress by Bay 12 games, I've
been itching to play a dwarf in a more personal fashion. To this end I
plan to play a racial dwarf. I usually play Slash'Em, but I figure
general nethack advice would be good as well and frankly I need all
the help I can get.

There's three classes I could play (A, C and V), each with their good
and bad points, and three weapons I could focus on (dwarvish short
sword, spear and mattock), which are a little less balanced. Since
neither the short sword nor the spear are worth the weight they take
to carry, that leaves me with the dwarvish mattock, unfortunately
cutting me off from the dwarvish roundshield but at least affording me
some opportunity to cause damage. You'd think there'd be a dwarvish
artifact, hell, even the ORCS have an artifact for their weapons...

My weapon choice forces me into the Arch class, but I figure I can
pass myself off as a miner anyway. Even without the shield my AC
should be at least respectable and my mattock can hand out some pain.
With that in mind:

1. Would it be acceptable to wield a pickaxe until I can find a
mattock? I mean I know it doesn't have "dwarvish" in the name, but
does anyone else even WIELD the pickaxe among the monster population?

2. What pitfalls will I have to watch out for?

3. Any other advice for a nethack novice such as myself?

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Justin Hiltscher

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:21 am
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On 2008-02-06, Nick van Rjin <snikers000.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings r.g.r.n.,
>
> My interest in Nethack waxes and wanes like the moon's phases, and I
> think I'm regaining my passion now. After becoming addicted to the
> excellent and also ASCII-based Dwarf Fortress by Bay 12 games, I've
> been itching to play a dwarf in a more personal fashion. To this end I
> plan to play a racial dwarf. I usually play Slash'Em, but I figure
> general nethack advice would be good as well and frankly I need all
> the help I can get.
>
> There's three classes I could play (A, C and V), each with their good
> and bad points, and three weapons I could focus on (dwarvish short
> sword, spear and mattock), which are a little less balanced. Since
> neither the short sword nor the spear are worth the weight they take
> to carry, that leaves me with the dwarvish mattock, unfortunately
> cutting me off from the dwarvish roundshield but at least affording me
> some opportunity to cause damage. You'd think there'd be a dwarvish
> artifact, hell, even the ORCS have an artifact for their weapons...
>
> My weapon choice forces me into the Arch class, but I figure I can
> pass myself off as a miner anyway. Even without the shield my AC
> should be at least respectable and my mattock can hand out some pain.
> With that in mind:
>
> 1. Would it be acceptable to wield a pickaxe until I can find a
> mattock? I mean I know it doesn't have "dwarvish" in the name, but
> does anyone else even WIELD the pickaxe among the monster population?

You set the standards if you want to run a conduct that's not enforced by the
game. From the racial ascension posts I've seen in the past, I think having a
non-racial item is acceptable.

>
> 2. What pitfalls will I have to watch out for?
>

Biggest one that pops to mind is that a mattock is two handed. No shields,
and sticks to *both* hands if it catches a curse. That means you can't cast
spells or loot containers, and if you're in Gehennom, you're in Hell.

Dwarvish Mithril means no dragon scale. Um. Dwarvish Cloak? Ok, reflection
from amulet. MR from... er, Quest arti only. That's bad. Strike that, it's
.... challenging Smile

> 3. Any other advice for a nethack novice such as myself?

Good luck.. Die and learn.

--
Justin Hiltscher

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Ohle Claussen

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:54 am
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On 2008-02-06, Nick van Rjin wrote:
> plan to play a racial dwarf. I usually play Slash'Em, but I figure
> general nethack advice would be good as well and frankly I need all
> the help I can get.

Since you're open to variants, you might consider SporkHack, where you'll get
a bonus for using racial armor. That should be a big advantage in the early
stages.

> There's three classes I could play (A, C and V), each with their good
> and bad points, and three weapons I could focus on (dwarvish short
> sword, spear and mattock), which are a little less balanced. Since
> neither the short sword nor the spear are worth the weight they take
> to carry, that leaves me with the dwarvish mattock, unfortunately
> cutting me off from the dwarvish roundshield but at least affording me
> some opportunity to cause damage. You'd think there'd be a dwarvish
> artifact, hell, even the ORCS have an artifact for their weapons...

Vanilla NH is much more focussed on character class than race.

> My weapon choice forces me into the Arch class, but I figure I can
> pass myself off as a miner anyway. Even without the shield my AC
> should be at least respectable and my mattock can hand out some pain.
> With that in mind:
>
> 1. Would it be acceptable to wield a pickaxe until I can find a
> mattock? I mean I know it doesn't have "dwarvish" in the name, but
> does anyone else even WIELD the pickaxe among the monster population?

That's entirely up to you.

> 2. What pitfalls will I have to watch out for?

I think a dwarven archaeologist with dwarven armor and a mattock should be
quite playable early on. Later in the game, lack of artifact weapons and
magical armor will open up some holes in your Ascension Kit, of course, but
those can be circumvented.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:21 am
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On Feb 5, 7:11 pm, Nick van Rjin <snikers... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings r.g.r.n.,
>
> My interest in Nethack waxes and wanes like the moon's phases, and I
> think I'm regaining my passion now. After becoming addicted to the
> excellent and also ASCII-based Dwarf Fortress by Bay 12 games, I've
> been itching to play a dwarf in a more personal fashion. To this end I
> plan to play a racial dwarf. I usually play Slash'Em, but I figure
> general nethack advice would be good as well and frankly I need all
> the help I can get.

Racial dwarf, very cool. Check out Harold Hill's YAAP on the nehtack
wiki for advice.
>
> There's three classes I could play (A, C and V), each with their good
> and bad points, and three weapons I could focus on (dwarvish short
> sword, spear and mattock), which are a little less balanced. Since
> neither the short sword nor the spear are worth the weight they take
> to carry, that leaves me with the dwarvish mattock, unfortunately
> cutting me off from the dwarvish roundshield but at least affording me
> some opportunity to cause damage. You'd think there'd be a dwarvish
> artifact, hell, even the ORCS have an artifact for their weapons...

Regarding weapon choices, I don't think that the difference between a
two-handed mattock and #two-weaponing a pair of dwarvish spears is
significant. For that matter, the difference between wielding a
dwarvish spear and a dwarvish mattock, though significant, is not
going to make much difference as far as the game goes ... if you're
not safe meleeing something with a +7 stout spear, then you're not
going to be safe with a +7 dwarvish mattock, either. So, you might be
better invested with the +5 dwarvish shield to keep you safer.
>
> My weapon choice forces me into the Arch class, but I figure I can
> pass myself off as a miner anyway. Even without the shield my AC
> should be at least respectable and my mattock can hand out some pain.
> With that in mind:

So, I don't think that you're forced into Arch but if you play C or V
then you have to fight barehanded until you can relieve a dwarf of his
sword. But that should be okay, I think.
>
> 1. Would it be acceptable to wield a pickaxe until I can find a
> mattock? I mean I know it doesn't have "dwarvish" in the name, but
> does anyone else even WIELD the pickaxe among the monster population?

Sure.
>
> 2. What pitfalls will I have to watch out for?

Will you wear gloves? And what about a t-shirt? I assume you'll wear
an amulet of reflection but what about Magic Resistance? You might
need to wish for a cross-class quest artifact. Keep in mind that if
you play a caveman the Wizard can steal your Quest artifact and remove
your source of MR.
>
> 3. Any other advice for a nethack novice such as myself?

Collect as many wands of teleport as you can and use them on the
ascension run. You won't be so strong a fighter with a racial conduct
so avoid melee when you can.

Good luck, good skill,
C
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 4:40 pm
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On Feb 5, 10:11 pm, Nick van Rjin <snikers....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings r.g.r.n.,
>
> My interest in Nethack waxes and wanes like the moon's phases, and I
> think I'm regaining my passion now. After becoming addicted to the
> excellent and also ASCII-based Dwarf Fortress by Bay 12 games, I've
> been itching to play a dwarf in a more personal fashion. To this end I
> plan to play a racial dwarf. I usually play Slash'Em, but I figure
> general nethack advice would be good as well and frankly I need all
> the help I can get.
>
> There's three classes I could play (A, C and V), each with their good
> and bad points, and three weapons I could focus on (dwarvish short
> sword, spear and mattock), which are a little less balanced. Since
> neither the short sword nor the spear are worth the weight they take
> to carry, that leaves me with the dwarvish mattock, unfortunately
> cutting me off from the dwarvish roundshield but at least affording me
> some opportunity to cause damage. You'd think there'd be a dwarvish
> artifact, hell, even the ORCS have an artifact for their weapons...
>
> My weapon choice forces me into the Arch class, but I figure I can
> pass myself off as a miner anyway. Even without the shield my AC
> should be at least respectable and my mattock can hand out some pain.
> With that in mind:
>
> 1. Would it be acceptable to wield a pickaxe until I can find a
> mattock? I mean I know it doesn't have "dwarvish" in the name, but
> does anyone else even WIELD the pickaxe among the monster population?
>
> 2. What pitfalls will I have to watch out for?
>
> 3. Any other advice for a nethack novice such as myself?

If you're just getting back into nethack, maybe you're not familiar
with sporkhack? it's an actively developed branch with quite a few
players. it's rather a lot more conservative in its changes and
additions than slash'em is, though.

I mention it because one of the major changes in sporkhack is a pretty
total revamping og the artifacts to try and make it so that most of
them are of at least some value. specifically:

"Dragonbane is now a dwarvish spear that provides fire, cold, poison,
shock, sleep, acid, and disintegration resistance when wielded. It
does double damage against dragons, kills dragons instantly 50% of the
time on a successful hit, and provides warning against dragons."

also, you get a small AC bonus in spork for wearing armor that matches
your race.

cheers

#!duff
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