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Azareus

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:59 am
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Ok, let's make a summary of things I discovered in the last few days...

Trying to figure out WHY the game is lagging like hell, and after
checking the connection with the server (it reported a good response
time, after all) I started removing all my addons and the usual WDB/WTF
folders, and so on. Just because the problem HAS to be in my game.

After enabling again the addons, one after another, I discovered that
CT_BottomBar and CT_BarMod introduce HEAVY latency in my game: I jump
from 13 ms (without them) to more than 230 ms (increasing over time).
Moreover, it seems that lag is involved in EVERY addon that "moves" or
"customizes" the Action Bar and/or the Unit Frames.

This is really sad.

Now, after months of playing, I'm pretty used to have "customized"
Action Bars, Unit Frames, and the way it shows me if my target is out
of range, and so on.
But, if the CT team can't optimize his addons, I have to find another
solution.

So... Suggestions? What could I use to customize Unit Frames and Action
Bars, without having to play with incredible latency and lag?

Anyone with experience in really "light" addons? I don't want to loose
FPS anymore...

Bye and thanks,

Az

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Azareus

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:25 am
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> Bongos is a very light Action Bar modifier (with some extras in it),
> while Sage is an also light Unitframe modifier. In general, mods that
> depend on Ace tend to be a lot lighter then CT/Discord counterparts (by
> moving from discord/CT to ACE mods I went down from 75 MB memory usage
> to 21 MB, having the exact same functionality).

Woha, really interesting.

Considered that 85% of my addons are ACE mods, I'll make the last step
and I'll try Bongos and Sage, then I'll post any result. And maybe my
memory usage will drop from 65 MB Smile Thx a lot.

> FPS (frames per second) and latency is not the same thing.

Yes, I know (after all, I'm a technician) Very Happy but they are related each
other, in some way I still haven't discovered.

It's just like... If an addon eats your processor time and stucks in a
loop, the game is no more able to contact the server as needed.

It's strange, but when I have 350 ms latency, my FPS drop to 12 and
when latency is just 30 ms, OPS, 24 FPS. Strange, don't you think?

> If you want high FPS and many addons buy a fast PC

Agree. My notebook is a 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 with a Radeon X600 graphic
board. It's a powerful PC: I played Half-Life 2 at max resolution, with
no less than 80 FPS. So, it's not a slow PC.
And, I started playing WoW at 1400x900 with 35 FPS, now I had to switch
to 1024x768 with 20 FPS.

Really sad...

Anyway, thx for the help Smile

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Azareus

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:50 am
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> Hmm that's a lot of slowdown are you sure it's all ok with your PC ?
> (spyware, virus, disk defragment and the usual stuff)

Yep, I'm virus-proof Smile
Defrag and virus check are standard processes on my computer when I'm
not playing ERRRR working Smile

> I never drop below 25-30 fps during the
> most intense aoe in 40 man raids and 90% of the cases it's fixed 60 fps.

That's heaven, right?? Smile

Uhm, ok... let's check my bank account and let's go to buy a
super-computer... eheheheh
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jerryeveretts

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:37 am
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> Agree. My notebook is a 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 with a Radeon X600 graphic
> board. It's a powerful PC: I played Half-Life 2 at max resolution, with
> no less than 80 FPS.

Thats interesting, I played HL2 on my iMac running XP Pro, with a Core
Duo T2500, which will blow the doors off a 2.8Ghz P4, and a Radeon
X1600 and 2GB Ram, HL2 was really just adequate at 1024x768. Wow was
adequate at 1600X1024 or so (default widescreen).

I sold the iMac and bought a Dell XPS 400, with a Pentium D 2.8Ghz, 2
GB Ram, and added a Radeon X1900GT, WoW is fine at 1600X1024 with all
the eye candy turned on. but I wouldn't say the Framerates are near 80.
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Stavros Christoforou

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 7:55 am
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Azareus wrote:
> Ok, let's make a summary of things I discovered in the last few days...
>
> Trying to figure out WHY the game is lagging like hell, and after
> checking the connection with the server (it reported a good response
> time, after all) I started removing all my addons and the usual WDB/WTF
> folders, and so on. Just because the problem HAS to be in my game.
>
> After enabling again the addons, one after another, I discovered that
> CT_BottomBar and CT_BarMod introduce HEAVY latency in my game: I jump
> from 13 ms (without them) to more than 230 ms (increasing over time).
> Moreover, it seems that lag is involved in EVERY addon that "moves" or
> "customizes" the Action Bar and/or the Unit Frames.
>
> This is really sad.
>
> Now, after months of playing, I'm pretty used to have "customized"
> Action Bars, Unit Frames, and the way it shows me if my target is out
> of range, and so on.
> But, if the CT team can't optimize his addons, I have to find another
> solution.
>
> So... Suggestions? What could I use to customize Unit Frames and Action
> Bars, without having to play with incredible latency and lag?
>
> Anyone with experience in really "light" addons? I don't want to loose
> FPS anymore...
>
> Bye and thanks,
>
> Az
>

Bongos is a very light Action Bar modifier (with some extras in it),
while Sage is an also light Unitframe modifier. In general, mods that
depend on Ace tend to be a lot lighter then CT/Discord counterparts (by
moving from discord/CT to ACE mods I went down from 75 MB memory usage
to 21 MB, having the exact same functionality).
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Shammy

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:55 am
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> Anyone with experience in really "light" addons? I don't want to loose
> FPS anymore...
>
FPS (frames per second) and latency is not the same thing. If you want high
FPS and many addons buy a fast PC but no idea how to optimise latency sorry
Sad
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Azareus

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:13 am
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> bought a Dell XPS 400, with a Pentium D 2.8Ghz, 2
> GB Ram, and added a Radeon X1900GT, WoW is fine at 1600X1024 with all
> the eye candy turned on. but I wouldn't say the Framerates are near 80.

Well... my MAX resolution is 1440x900. With everything turned on and
maxed (even Terrain Distance, that seems the option that can make life
hard even to a supercomputer...), at your resolution, I wouldn't expect
80 FPS Smile

Anyway, if you post here your FPS (for example in IF, facing the bank,
standing at the AH's entrance), I can get an idea on HOW powerful your
X1900GT is Smile

Cya,

Az
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Shammy

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:55 am
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"Azareus" <danilo.magro DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157631928.432577.323270@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> Bongos is a very light Action Bar modifier (with some extras in it),
>> while Sage is an also light Unitframe modifier. In general, mods that
>> depend on Ace tend to be a lot lighter then CT/Discord counterparts (by
>> moving from discord/CT to ACE mods I went down from 75 MB memory usage
>> to 21 MB, having the exact same functionality).
>
> Woha, really interesting.
>
> Considered that 85% of my addons are ACE mods, I'll make the last step
> and I'll try Bongos and Sage, then I'll post any result. And maybe my
> memory usage will drop from 65 MB Smile Thx a lot.
>
>> FPS (frames per second) and latency is not the same thing.
>
> Yes, I know (after all, I'm a technician) Very Happy but they are related each
> other, in some way I still haven't discovered.
>
> It's just like... If an addon eats your processor time and stucks in a
> loop, the game is no more able to contact the server as needed.
>
> It's strange, but when I have 350 ms latency, my FPS drop to 12 and
> when latency is just 30 ms, OPS, 24 FPS. Strange, don't you think?
>
>> If you want high FPS and many addons buy a fast PC
>
> Agree. My notebook is a 2.8 GHz Pentium 4 with a Radeon X600 graphic
> board. It's a powerful PC: I played Half-Life 2 at max resolution, with
> no less than 80 FPS. So, it's not a slow PC.
> And, I started playing WoW at 1400x900 with 35 FPS, now I had to switch
> to 1024x768 with 20 FPS.
>
> Really sad...
>
> Anyway, thx for the help Smile
>
Hmm that's a lot of slowdown are you sure it's all ok with your PC ?
(spyware, virus, disk defragment and the usual stuff)
As far as latency and addons, I use a LOT of addons and I had problems with
my PC in raids specially 40 man where FPS dropped below10 during aoe and
15-20 max during raid with all setting on low I had a lot of lag-like
situations (only me not the others; ofc I had lag when others had it too),
then a beautiful day came and I bought amd 4400+ dual core with radeon
xtx1900 and 2 gb ram. Since then I have only lag when all have lag (server
problem) and with all settings maxed I never drop below 25-30 fps during the
most intense aoe in 40 man raids and 90% of the cases it's fixed 60 fps.
Just try to disable all addons and see if you still have low fps.
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jerryeveretts

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:44 am
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Azareus wrote:
> > bought a Dell XPS 400, with a Pentium D 2.8Ghz, 2
> > GB Ram, and added a Radeon X1900GT, WoW is fine at 1600X1024 with all
> > the eye candy turned on. but I wouldn't say the Framerates are near 80.
>
> Well... my MAX resolution is 1440x900. With everything turned on and
> maxed (even Terrain Distance, that seems the option that can make life
> hard even to a supercomputer...), at your resolution, I wouldn't expect
> 80 FPS Smile
>
> Anyway, if you post here your FPS (for example in IF, facing the bank,
> standing at the AH's entrance), I can get an idea on HOW powerful your
> X1900GT is Smile
>
> Cya,
>
> Az

settings are 1600X1050
everything on max except terrain distance, which is 3/4 to max.
Fps at IF AH is 53.3 from screenshot, fluxes from 49-54
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Azareus

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:05 am
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> settings are 1600X1050
> everything on max except terrain distance, which is 3/4 to max.
> Fps at IF AH is 53.3 from screenshot, fluxes from 49-54

You live in heaven Smile

And you should be a really happy guy Smile
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Adam Russell

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:36 am
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"Azareus" <danilo.magro RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157626774.841224.45130@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Ok, let's make a summary of things I discovered in the last few days...
>
> Trying to figure out WHY the game is lagging like hell, and after
> checking the connection with the server (it reported a good response
> time, after all) I started removing all my addons and the usual WDB/WTF
> folders, and so on. Just because the problem HAS to be in my game.
>
> After enabling again the addons, one after another, I discovered that
> CT_BottomBar and CT_BarMod introduce HEAVY latency in my game: I jump
> from 13 ms (without them) to more than 230 ms (increasing over time).
> Moreover, it seems that lag is involved in EVERY addon that "moves" or
> "customizes" the Action Bar and/or the Unit Frames.
>
> This is really sad.
>
> Now, after months of playing, I'm pretty used to have "customized"
> Action Bars, Unit Frames, and the way it shows me if my target is out
> of range, and so on.
> But, if the CT team can't optimize his addons, I have to find another
> solution.
>
> So... Suggestions? What could I use to customize Unit Frames and Action
> Bars, without having to play with incredible latency and lag?
>
> Anyone with experience in really "light" addons? I don't want to loose
> FPS anymore...

Have you checked that you are using the most current version? I vaguely
recall that some mods had lag problems (though Im not sure it involved
latency) after some patch, but then they got fixed.
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ScratchMonkey

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:54 am
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"Azareus" <danilo.magro RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in news:1157626774.841224.45130
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> After enabling again the addons, one after another, I discovered that
> CT_BottomBar and CT_BarMod introduce HEAVY latency in my game: I jump
> from 13 ms (without them) to more than 230 ms (increasing over time).
> Moreover, it seems that lag is involved in EVERY addon that "moves" or
> "customizes" the Action Bar and/or the Unit Frames.

That makes sense. Recall that the addon system is event-based, and an addon
"hooks" game-generated events (such as action bar button presses) to
implement functionality. Each addon places itself in the chain of code that
gets executed for its event. So if you have two addons that handle a
button, they execute in sequence, one after the other.

Moreover, some addons may hook some frequently-occuring event, and that
code will have to run every time that event happens.

So the real question is what events those two addons hook?
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Chris Bromley

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:24 am
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"Azareus" <danilo.magro DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1157626774.841224.45130@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Ok, let's make a summary of things I discovered in the last few days...
>
> Trying to figure out WHY the game is lagging like hell, and after
> checking the connection with the server (it reported a good response
> time, after all) I started removing all my addons and the usual WDB/WTF
> folders, and so on. Just because the problem HAS to be in my game.
>
> After enabling again the addons, one after another, I discovered that
> CT_BottomBar and CT_BarMod introduce HEAVY latency in my game: I jump
> from 13 ms (without them) to more than 230 ms (increasing over time).
> Moreover, it seems that lag is involved in EVERY addon that "moves" or
> "customizes" the Action Bar and/or the Unit Frames.
>
> This is really sad.
>
> Now, after months of playing, I'm pretty used to have "customized"
> Action Bars, Unit Frames, and the way it shows me if my target is out
> of range, and so on.
> But, if the CT team can't optimize his addons, I have to find another
> solution.
>
> So... Suggestions? What could I use to customize Unit Frames and Action
> Bars, without having to play with incredible latency and lag?
>
> Anyone with experience in really "light" addons? I don't want to loose
> FPS anymore...
>
> Bye and thanks,
>
> Az
>

As a side note, you could download LoadIt and load/unload add-on at will.
That way, you can use them when you need them, and dump them when you
don't.. Just an idea..

Chris
http://www.murlocguide.com
Add-on reviews and more.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:28 pm
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Azareus wrote:
> Ok, let's make a summary of things I discovered in the last few days...
>
> Trying to figure out WHY the game is lagging like hell, and after
> checking the connection with the server (it reported a good response
> time, after all) I started removing all my addons and the usual WDB/WTF
> folders, and so on. Just because the problem HAS to be in my game.
>
> After enabling again the addons, one after another, I discovered that
> CT_BottomBar and CT_BarMod introduce HEAVY latency in my game: I jump
> from 13 ms (without them) to more than 230 ms (increasing over time).
> Moreover, it seems that lag is involved in EVERY addon that "moves" or
> "customizes" the Action Bar and/or the Unit Frames.
>
> This is really sad.
>
> Now, after months of playing, I'm pretty used to have "customized"
> Action Bars, Unit Frames, and the way it shows me if my target is out
> of range, and so on.
> But, if the CT team can't optimize his addons, I have to find another
> solution.
>
> So... Suggestions? What could I use to customize Unit Frames and Action
> Bars, without having to play with incredible latency and lag?
>
> Anyone with experience in really "light" addons? I don't want to loose
> FPS anymore...
>
> Bye and thanks,
>
> Az

Oh my lord. How can you complain about ~200 ms ping? I'm in Australia
and until blizzard pull their finger out and give us our own server
farms we are stuck on ~300 ms
If I get 200ms I think it's a good day! how can you even notice the
difference between 13 and 200 ms on a game like WoW?
The only time I ever notice any difference between 200 and 500 is when
looting a corpse.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 4:04 am
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> Oh my lord. How can you complain about ~200 ms ping?

I don't complain about 200 ms but about passing from 13 TO 200 in a few
months without a reason Smile

> If I get 200ms I think it's a good day! how can you even notice the
> difference between 13 and 200 ms on a game like WoW?

I can even notice the difference between 25 FPS and 40 FPS Smile

Finally: 200 ms are A LOT when raiding with 40 men Smile
When all those information have to reach your computer FIVE times a
second (and not faster) you suddenly find yourself healing someone
that... is almost dead Smile

Cya,

Az
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