Action 2 query (grovelling to Michael Blunk)

Michael Blunck wrote in message <2sksc4F1mq0aoU1 RemoveThis @uni-berlin.de>...
>Ronnie Clark wrote:
>
>[var 42 - consist cargo]
>
>> 02 00 04 82 42 08 FF 02 00 00 00 00 01 00 02 02 02 00
>
>Mmh. Seems to be correct as far as I can see here (although the test could
be
>shortened to 02 00 04 82 42 08 FF 01 00 00 00 02 00, possibly).
>
>Maybe a bug in the patch? I never tested this feature for myself. Best
thing
>would be to make a *small* "test .grf" and send it to me or Josef.

Doi. This is why I should upgrade more often. I was running Alpha 26 still,
but with a newer manual. It wasn't introduced until Alpha 27

Works fine now. My freight trains have freight liveries locos, my mail
trains have mail liveried locos, and my passenger trains... Well, you can
guess

Ronnie
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Op Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:10:53 +0100 schreef Ronnie Clark:

> Works fine now. My freight trains have freight liveries locos, my mail
> trains have mail liveried locos, and my passenger trains... Well, you can
> guess
>
Ooh, I'ld like to see that...
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Ronnie Clark wrote:

>> [var 42 - consist cargo]

[...]

>> Mmh. Seems to be correct as far as I can see here [...]

> [...] I was running Alpha 26 still, but with a newer manual. [...]

Holy smoke! Couldn´t think of *that*.

> Works fine now. My freight trains have freight liveries locos, my
> mail trains have mail liveried locos, and my passenger trains...
> Well, you can guess

Well, are they changing livery when you change wagons? Do you find that
realistic? I´d rather prefer to have a mechanism to choose between different
liveries when buying locomotives ...

regards
Michael
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Michael Blunck wrote:
> Ronnie Clark wrote:
>
>
>>>[var 42 - consist cargo]
>
>
> [...]
>
>[snip]
>
> Well, are they changing livery when you change wagons? Do you find that
> realistic? I´d rather prefer to have a mechanism to choose between different
> liveries when buying locomotives ...
>
> regards
> Michael

Well here in holland the NSR (dutch pasenger transporter ) has yelow
versions of the 1600. Railon, a goods transporter painted the same
engines red. so in our case it is realistic

Daan
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Daan wrote:

[automatic livery change depending on cargo]

>> Well, are they changing livery when you change wagons? Do you find that
>> realistic? I´d rather prefer to have a mechanism to choose between different
>> liveries when buying locomotives ...

> Well here in holland the NSR (dutch pasenger transporter ) has
> yelow versions of the 1600. Railon, a goods transporter painted the
> same engines red. so in our case it is realistic

Well, I didn´t point to the fact that it´s possible (and favourable) to have
different liveries according to a special service a locomotive is used for, but
rather to the fact that IMO it´s unrealistic to have those engines changing
livery *automatically* when de-coupling wagons type A and attaching wagons type
B in a depot.

I´m aware that there´s only few possibilities to get the desired effect, though
....

regards
Michael
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Op Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:30:12 +0200 schreef Michael Blunck:

> Daan wrote:
>
> [automatic livery change depending on cargo]
>
>>> Well, are they changing livery when you change wagons? Do you find that
>>> realistic? I´d rather prefer to have a mechanism to choose between different
>>> liveries when buying locomotives ...
>
>> Well here in holland the NSR (dutch pasenger transporter ) has
>> yelow versions of the 1600. Railon, a goods transporter painted the
>> same engines red. so in our case it is realistic
>
> Well, I didn´t point to the fact that it´s possible (and favourable) to have
> different liveries according to a special service a locomotive is used for, but
> rather to the fact that IMO it´s unrealistic to have those engines changing
> livery *automatically* when de-coupling wagons type A and attaching wagons type
> B in a depot.

Of course it isn't 'real life', but the alternative is that you have to
sell the engine and then buy a new one, with the same end result, only more
hassle. I'ld rather have the automatic method, or else you're left with a
long list of identical engines, which is kinda unpractical.
Also, how often are you going to change the service of a train? That's
rather rare, I think.
On the other side, I wonder how do engine behave when they have different
kinds of wagons attached to them?

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>Well, are they changing livery when you change wagons? Do you find that
>realistic? I´d rather prefer to have a mechanism to choose between
different
>liveries when buying locomotives ...

It's not particularly realistic (although more than you seem to think - over
here, when a loco switches duties it pretty much gets a new paint job to go
with it), but then nor are 101 other things to do with Transport Tycoon! At
least this way, locos which were / are painted in different liveries
depending on their job in real life can have the same liveries in the ame.

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"Afoklala" wrote:

>> [automatic livery change depending on cargo]

>> [...] IMO it´s unrealistic to have those engines changing livery
>> *automatically* when de-coupling wagons type A and attaching
>> wagons type B in a depot.

> Of course it isn't 'real life', but the alternative is that you
> have to sell the engine and then buy a new one, with the same end result,
> only more hassle.

Well, it´ll depend on how you´re organizing your fleet. I know some people who
*never* sell stock which is pretty realistic, especially when there´s need to
transfer vehicles between different depots.

> I'ld rather have the automatic method, or else you're left with a
> long list of identical engines, which is kinda unpractical.

Yeah, this would be *more* than impractical.

> Also, how often are you going to change the service of a train?
> That's rather rare, I think.

Well, it depends ...

> On the other side, I wonder how do engine behave when they have
> different kinds of wagons attached to them?

Frankly, I´d still have to test this out. According to the documentation you may
check for *all* of the cargo and *most* of the cargo ("most common cargo" -
whichever this means , i.e. when checking for *all* cargo you´ll test a bit
field which represents all cargo available. In this way you could test the
availability of a specific cargo.

For testing of the "most common cargo type", Josef set up groups of cargo, i.e.
"town cargo" (goods, food, ..) or "bulk freight" (coal, grain, ore, fruit, ...)
or "piece goods" (...), or ...

In consequence, it should be possible to get a fair livery change by
implementing a well-chosen "cargo type" checker.

OTOH, for german railways this is a rather uncommon feature. Instead, dozens of
private railways w. own liveries are transporting cargo besides the DB, which -
BTW - is the case in most countries. Alas, you couldn´t change the name (action
4) when cargo, resp. livery has been changed, ...

... it´s not such an easy decision, anyway.

Let´s see how Ronnie is going to handle this. )

regards
Michael
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>.. it´s not such an easy decision, anyway.
>
>Let´s see how Ronnie is going to handle this. )

I don't see why it's that difficult at all, really! Take the class 86. In
real life, they were built for passenger services on the West Coast Main
Line. They carried "Electric blue" livery, then "Rail blue". During the
"Rail blue" era, they started work on various high-speed freight services.
During sectorization, then, those that carried mail were put into "RES red",
freight ones into "Railfreight grey", and the passenger ones "Corporate
grey". They all stayed class 86, but they just got repainted depending what
they were carrying.

I suppose it's because Britain has generally always been strapped for cash
when it comes to spending on the railways, we just always hang onto our old
locos, putting them on whatever service is required, and giving them a paint
job to make them look new (ie, creating at least the IMPRESSION that money
has been spent, even though it hasn't!)

Ronnie
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