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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:37 pm
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My current gaming rig is getting a bit long in the tooth (3 yo) but
still runs everything I've tried on it lately. Only problem is that
the graphics card I have (well, had) for it died recently. I stuck in
an older card which works great but I can no longer run some newer
games.

So, while I decide whether to just build a whole new rig I thought I'd
check out what is available for AGP cards. Unfortunately there aren't
any reviews of them more recent than a couple years ago.

So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
task of running recent games?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:38 pm
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On 13 Mar, 20:10, Ross Ridge <rri... RemoveThis @caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
wrote:
> WDS  <B... RemoveThis @seurer.net> wrote:
> >So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
> >task of running recent games?
>
> The monthly list of "The Best Gaming Graphics Cards for the Money"
> on Tom's Hardware is probably best source of current information on
> AGP cards:
>
>        http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/05/the_best_gaming_graphics/
>
> The current list suggests, in increasing order of price and performance,
> either the Radeon HD 2600 Pro or XT, the X1950 Pro or the HD 3850.
> NVIDIA seems to have exited the AGP market.  The Radeon HD 3850 is high
> end card that should perform well with any current game, although your
> CPU may not.  The other cards are midrange cards that might be lacking
> for some games.  If you see any other AGP cards available at your local
> store or on the WWW, you can compare their relative performance using
> the chart at the end of the article.
>
>                                         Ross Ridge
>
> --
>  l/  //   Ross Ridge -- The Great HTMU
> [oo][oo]  rri...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
> -()-/()/  http://www.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~rridge/
>  db  //  

Hope u don't mind temp changing subject slightly, but speaking of AGP
graphic cards, I have simple AGP Radeon 9250 128mb, and am using it
inside Win98 box. Quick question - if I upgraded to 256mb version,
would this be a complete waste seeing as it's only used for Win98 (and
older) games only.

Thanks, regards, Robert.

PS ~ just DL'd Wizards & Warriors patch, thought I recognised the name!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:10 pm
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WDS <Bill DeleteThis @seurer.net> wrote:
>So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>task of running recent games?

The monthly list of "The Best Gaming Graphics Cards for the Money"
on Tom's Hardware is probably best source of current information on
AGP cards:

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/05/the_best_gaming_graphics/

The current list suggests, in increasing order of price and performance,
either the Radeon HD 2600 Pro or XT, the X1950 Pro or the HD 3850.
NVIDIA seems to have exited the AGP market. The Radeon HD 3850 is high
end card that should perform well with any current game, although your
CPU may not. The other cards are midrange cards that might be lacking
for some games. If you see any other AGP cards available at your local
store or on the WWW, you can compare their relative performance using
the chart at the end of the article.

Ross Ridge

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:07 pm
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DO ! carefully check your Power Supplies output capability.
the most recent graphic cards eat a lot more power than those of a few years
back.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:34 am
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rpgs rock dvds <rpgsrockdvds DeleteThis @hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Hope u don't mind temp changing subject slightly, but speaking of AGP
>graphic cards, I have simple AGP Radeon 9250 128mb, and am using it
>inside Win98 box. Quick question - if I upgraded to 256mb version,
>would this be a complete waste seeing as it's only used for Win98 (and
>older) games only.

I can't see more video RAM significantly improving the performance of
any game that would run better than slideshow speeds on a Radeon 9250.

Ross Ridge

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:03 am
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Thus spake WDS <Bill RemoveThis @seurer.net>, Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT),
Anno Domini:

>My current gaming rig is getting a bit long in the tooth (3 yo) but
>still runs everything I've tried on it lately. Only problem is that
>the graphics card I have (well, had) for it died recently. I stuck in
>an older card which works great but I can no longer run some newer
>games.
>
>So, while I decide whether to just build a whole new rig I thought I'd
>check out what is available for AGP cards. Unfortunately there aren't
>any reviews of them more recent than a couple years ago.
>
>So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>task of running recent games?

ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:03 am
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"Nostromo" <nospam.TakeThisOut@forme.org> wrote in message
news:732jt39q1h7n33hsd120ajv2tlv9uvq7nn@4ax.com...
> Thus spake WDS <Bill.TakeThisOut@seurer.net>, Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT),
> Anno Domini:
>
>>My current gaming rig is getting a bit long in the tooth (3 yo) but
>>still runs everything I've tried on it lately. Only problem is that
>>the graphics card I have (well, had) for it died recently. I stuck in
>>an older card which works great but I can no longer run some newer
>>games.
>>
>>So, while I decide whether to just build a whole new rig I thought I'd
>>check out what is available for AGP cards. Unfortunately there aren't
>>any reviews of them more recent than a couple years ago.
>>
>>So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>>task of running recent games?
>
> ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.
>
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I agree
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:03 am
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"Slice" wrote
> "Nostromo" wrote
>> WDS wrote
>>>So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>>>task of running recent games?
>>
>> ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.
>
> I agree

C'mon guys, stop with the non-sense - the X1950 was king of the hill maybe a
year or two ago, but not anymore by a long shot.

There are a couple of AGP cards that'll have it for breakfast and not even
burp afterwards, the best being the HD 3850 of course (DDR3, 512MB, DX10)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:33 am
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On Mar 13, 8:12 pm, "Zank Frappa" <ZankFra....DeleteThis@xephon.org> wrote:
> "Slice" wrote
>
> > "Nostromo" wrote
> >> WDS wrote
> >>>So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
> >>>task of running recent games?
>
> >> ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.
>
> > I agree
>
> C'mon guys, stop with the non-sense - the X1950 was king of the hill maybe a
> year or two ago, but not anymore by a long shot.
>
> There are a couple of AGP cards that'll have it for breakfast and not even
> burp afterwards, the best being the HD 3850 of course (DDR3, 512MB, DX10)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730

Too bad Newegg actually isn't selling that one (it is listed as
"deactivated item"). Sad
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:46 pm
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Zank Frappa wrote:
> "Slice" wrote
>> "Nostromo" wrote
>>> WDS wrote
>>>> So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>>>> task of running recent games?
>>> ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.
>> I agree
>
> C'mon guys, stop with the non-sense - the X1950 was king of the hill maybe a
> year or two ago, but not anymore by a long shot.
>
> There are a couple of AGP cards that'll have it for breakfast and not even
> burp afterwards, the best being the HD 3850 of course (DDR3, 512MB, DX10)
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730

Going for $220. They've got a X1950Pro going for $153 (with $20 Mail-In
Rebate), so it's hardly a fair comparison. About 40-50% more bang for
40-50% more buck, meh.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:12 pm
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:03:40 +1100, Nostromo <nospam.DeleteThis@forme.org> wrote:

>Thus spake WDS <Bill.DeleteThis@seurer.net>, Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:37:29 -0700 (PDT),
>Anno Domini:
>
>>My current gaming rig is getting a bit long in the tooth (3 yo) but
>>still runs everything I've tried on it lately. Only problem is that
>>the graphics card I have (well, had) for it died recently. I stuck in
>>an older card which works great but I can no longer run some newer
>>games.
>>
>>So, while I decide whether to just build a whole new rig I thought I'd
>>check out what is available for AGP cards. Unfortunately there aren't
>>any reviews of them more recent than a couple years ago.
>>
>>So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>>task of running recent games?
>
>ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.

Hmmm - compared it with mine on Tom's Hardware comparison chart, and
it tests about 5 times faster in Oblivion... Smile

Guess I'm off shopping at the end of the month. Smile

Thanks for the advice, guys.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:15 pm
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:46:39 +1100, Nostromo <nostromo RemoveThis @nospam.org>
wrote:

>Zank Frappa wrote:
>> "Slice" wrote
>>> "Nostromo" wrote
>>>> WDS wrote
>>>>> So, what are some current AGP cards to consider that are up to the
>>>>> task of running recent games?
>>>> ATI X1950Pro 512Mb - there is no substitute.
>>> I agree
>>
>> C'mon guys, stop with the non-sense - the X1950 was king of the hill maybe a
>> year or two ago, but not anymore by a long shot.
>>
>> There are a couple of AGP cards that'll have it for breakfast and not even
>> burp afterwards, the best being the HD 3850 of course (DDR3, 512MB, DX10)
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102730
>
>Going for $220. They've got a X1950Pro going for $153 (with $20 Mail-In
>Rebate), so it's hardly a fair comparison. About 40-50% more bang for
>40-50% more buck, meh.

The X1950 goes for about £120 here in the UK - I'll shpo around for
the lowest price when I get paid.

2 weeks monday !
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:17 pm
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:07:49 -0000, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<no-spam.DeleteThis@never.spam> wrote:

>DO ! carefully check your Power Supplies output capability.
>the most recent graphic cards eat a lot more power than those of a few years
>back.
>(\__/)
>(='.'=)
>(")_(") mouse
>
Mine's 550w. Or 600, I forget - I upgraded a while back, and it's
ready for action !
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:32 pm
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In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.strategic Trimble Bracegirdle <no-spam DeleteThis @never.spam> wrote:
> DO ! carefully check your Power Supplies output capability.
> the most recent graphic cards eat a lot more power than those of a few years
> back.

I think it's last year's graphic cards that eat a lot more power
(particularly the HD2900XT, I think), whereas the HD3850 and HD3870
aren't all that bad. Depending on what you do, though. Idle, they're
among the most frugal dedicated graphic cards out there, but on full
load, they can still draw as much as any other card. But at least
they don't waste your money ans rise the sea levels while drawing the
desktop, like many other cards do.


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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:35 pm
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WDS wrote:

Check Toms hardware, they have a recently updated feature on AGP and
PCIX graphics cards.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/05/the_best_gaming_graphics/

The recommend a ATI x1950Pro as the best AGP card for for >$175. I have
the PCI express version of this card and I am very happy with it.
They also have other recommended cards at different price-points.

Regards
jr
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