So, the 4th WoD game will be called "Promethean."

Brian Merchant wrote:

> Any hints on what sort of thing a promethean might be?

Just this:

"Life and death appeared to me ideal bounds which I should first break
through and pour a torrent of life into our dark world."

....

Mary Shelly wrote a book called "Frankenstein; or, The Modern
Prometheus." The three major monsters of pop culture are Dracula,
Frankenstein ('s monster) and the Wolf-Man, and White Wolf already has
games about vampires and werewolves.

Also apparently it'll be a limited series, like Orpheus (but without the
overarching plot), and once it finishes there'll be a 5th WoD game
that's also a limited series, and perhaps another and another after that
(depending on how well the limited game model continues to do, anyway).
The next one might be a new Changeling, or not.
--
Stephenls
Geek
"You do your arguments no favor by insulting those you ought persuade."
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06:05 GMT, Stephenls <stephenls DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote:

>I thought it probably warranted posting here.

It's potentially an absolutely cracking idea.

I assume it's going to be 'created' beings (insert Intelligent Design
gags here). Which is indeed pretty much the last stock genre character
that hasn't yet been addressed.

There's a bunch of interesting directions in which it could go. The
most interesting, to my mind, could be the character going about their
daily business, when suddenly, they realise that they're not like
everyone else.

And then a voice on the end of a phone, or an email, or a smudged
telegram, or a note from a sealed box, tells them - I MADE YOU.

Yes, yes, I like this a lot.

C
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Stephenls wrote:

> Brian Merchant wrote:
>
>> Any hints on what sort of thing a promethean might be?
>
>
> Just this:
>
> "Life and death appeared to me ideal bounds which I should first break
> through and pour a torrent of life into our dark world."
>
> ....
>
> Mary Shelly wrote a book called "Frankenstein; or, The Modern
> Prometheus." The three major monsters of pop culture are Dracula,
> Frankenstein ('s monster) and the Wolf-Man, and White Wolf already has
> games about vampires and werewolves.
>
> Also apparently it'll be a limited series, like Orpheus (but without the
> overarching plot), and once it finishes there'll be a 5th WoD game
> that's also a limited series, and perhaps another and another after that
> (depending on how well the limited game model continues to do, anyway).
> The next one might be a new Changeling, or not.

Maybe.

I bow to your unparallel WW knowledge, but producing a game about either
being a monster, or a creator of monsters, seems a little off for WWS.
Maybe it's just me, but being a monster holds you in thrall to the
creator, and being the creator doesn't seem terribly pro-active to me.

Prometheus, unless I'm mistaken, was the demi-god who stole fire from
Olympus and gave it to mankind.

Could be the next title is some kind of superscience deal?

The themes encompassed by Mary Shelley's Frankenstein are all covered by
the numerous other titles. Notably, vampire. The struggle between sire
and childe,the rebellion of creation against creator (though,
admittedly, more Demon than Vampire), inextricably tied future (as an
example, the blood bond).

You could very well be right. I don't know where Prometheus will take us.
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:10:39 +1100, Yah-Ti-Buckety
<phatphil1111.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Could be the next title is some kind of superscience deal?

Possible, but whilst I'd like to play the WoD Tony Stark as much as
the next man, I'm not sure how we get Iron Man integrated in the same
gaming space as The Golem.

Nice to think how it might work, though, and it fits the name. Victor
Frankenstein was the Promethean, after all.

We'd certainly get Stayka back if it were effectively nWod Sons Of
Ether.

C
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Yah-Ti-Buckety wrote:

> Maybe.

> I bow to your unparallel WW knowledge, but producing a game about either
> being a monster, or a creator of monsters, seems a little off for WWS.
> Maybe it's just me, but being a monster holds you in thrall to the
> creator, and being the creator doesn't seem terribly pro-active to me.

> Prometheus, unless I'm mistaken, was the demi-god who stole fire from
> Olympus and gave it to mankind.

> Could be the next title is some kind of superscience deal?

> The themes encompassed by Mary Shelley's Frankenstein are all covered by
> the numerous other titles. Notably, vampire. The struggle between sire
> and childe,the rebellion of creation against creator (though,
> admittedly, more Demon than Vampire), inextricably tied future (as an
> example, the blood bond).

> You could very well be right. I don't know where Prometheus will take us.

During the panel in which the WW developers mentioned Promethean, they
quoted the Mary Shelly's Frankenstein a lot. And it's called Promethean,
which mirrors the title of the book.

They also, apparently, said (outright) that it'd be a game about playing
characters that are created by others.

Assuming they're telling the truth, I don't see any way to interpret
that information without coming to the conclusion that it'll be a game
about playing characters that are created by others, and evocative of
the same themes as Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. Assuming they're lying,
well, they could be lying about the whole thing, couldn't they? And then
we're back to knowing nothing.
--
Stephenls
Geek
"You do your arguments no favor by insulting those you ought persuade."
-Greg Stolze, Rites of the Dragon
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Stephenls wrote:
> Yah-Ti-Buckety wrote:
>
>> Maybe.
>
>
>> I bow to your unparallel WW knowledge, but producing a game about
>> either being a monster, or a creator of monsters, seems a little off
>> for WWS. Maybe it's just me, but being a monster holds you in thrall
>> to the creator, and being the creator doesn't seem terribly pro-active
>> to me.
>
>
>> Prometheus, unless I'm mistaken, was the demi-god who stole fire from
>> Olympus and gave it to mankind.
>
>
>> Could be the next title is some kind of superscience deal?
>
>
>> The themes encompassed by Mary Shelley's Frankenstein are all covered
>> by the numerous other titles. Notably, vampire. The struggle between
>> sire and childe,the rebellion of creation against creator (though,
>> admittedly, more Demon than Vampire), inextricably tied future (as an
>> example, the blood bond).
>
>
>> You could very well be right. I don't know where Prometheus will take us.
>
>
> During the panel in which the WW developers mentioned Promethean, they
> quoted the Mary Shelly's Frankenstein a lot. And it's called Promethean,
> which mirrors the title of the book.
>
> They also, apparently, said (outright) that it'd be a game about playing
> characters that are created by others.
>
> Assuming they're telling the truth, I don't see any way to interpret
> that information without coming to the conclusion that it'll be a game
> about playing characters that are created by others, and evocative of
> the same themes as Mary Shelly's Frankenstein. Assuming they're lying,
> well, they could be lying about the whole thing, couldn't they? And then
> we're back to knowing nothing.

Ah. I wasn't aware of that. Good show! Knowing that, I've got to wonder
how they're going to do it..
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Yah-Ti-Buckety wrote:
> Maybe.
>
> I bow to your unparallel WW knowledge, but producing a game about either
> being a monster, or a creator of monsters, seems a little off for WWS.
> Maybe it's just me, but being a monster holds you in thrall to the
> creator, and being the creator doesn't seem terribly pro-active to me.

I have to agree with Ian on this one. Being a monster is the
founding principal of White Wolf's game system. Being the creator of a
monster is a bit more unusual though, I agree. Except in the sense of
one vampire making another, I suppose.
That's not to say that I would put it past White Wolf, though.
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Ian A. A. Watson wrote:
> Yah-Ti-Buckety wrote:
>
>> I bow to your unparallel WW knowledge, but producing a game about
>> either being a monster . . . seems a little off for WWS.
>
>
> We are talking about the same White Wolf here, right?
>

I really did phrase that badly...

I guess my main point of query on it is the issue of what a created
monster's going to do with it's time. I'll have to wait and see, I
guess, but I can't imagine what kind of theme it's going to have that
hasn't been covered by others in WW's game lines.

Creation Vs Creator?

I'll just have to wait and see.
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Charlie B wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:06:05 GMT, Stephenls <stephenls DeleteThis @shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>I thought it probably warranted posting here.
>
>
> It's potentially an absolutely cracking idea.
>
> I assume it's going to be 'created' beings (insert Intelligent Design
> gags here). Which is indeed pretty much the last stock genre character
> that hasn't yet been addressed.
>
> There's a bunch of interesting directions in which it could go. The
> most interesting, to my mind, could be the character going about their
> daily business, when suddenly, they realise that they're not like
> everyone else.
>
> And then a voice on the end of a phone, or an email, or a smudged
> telegram, or a note from a sealed box, tells them - I MADE YOU.
>
> Yes, yes, I like this a lot.
>
> C

Could be. Reading that has piqued my interest. I hadn't thought of a
monster that doesn't know they're a monster.
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