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"Hong Ooi" <hong RemoveThis @zipworld.com.au> wrote in message
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On Mar 17, 8:34 am, Tetsubo <tets... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:

>> The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
>> verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
>> not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.
>>
>> Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
>> joke on D&D players is 4E.

>Hi, Halaster!

It can't be Halaster: no racial epithets.

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How charged with punishment the scroll,
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I am the Captain of my soul.

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On Mar 17, 1:23 pm, Matt Frisch <matus... RemoveThis @yahoo.spam.me.not.com>
wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Hong Ooi <h... RemoveThis @zipworld.com.au>
> scribed into the ether:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Mar 17, 9:02 am, Allen Wessels <awess... RemoveThis @EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
> >> In article <GdWdnaUOT8fKD0DanZ2dnUVZ_ualn... RemoveThis @comcast.com>,
>
> >>  Tetsubo <tets... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > Allen Wessels wrote:
> >> > > One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
> >> > > time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.
> >> >    The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
> >> > verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
> >> > not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.
>
> >> Every Jester or Bard walked a fine line.
>
> >> >    Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
> >> > joke on D&D players is 4E.
>
> >> All jokes wear thin if you overuse them.
>
> >Yes, that's what Matt would say.
>
> No, I'm just waiting for you to demonstrate the ability to do anything
> better than me,

I fail to do a high-pitched voice better than you.

>since that's about the only claim you've ever made, and yet
> it has never actually materialized.

Have a generic food metaphor on me.

>
> Rather sad, when nobody else has ever seen the one thing you claim to be
> good at.

I've already admitted that you do a high-pitched voice better than me.
I suppose continuing in this vein can only throw up more things that
you do better than me, but, well, that's your lookout.

>
> PS: Piss off, troll.

Whereas I still do this better than you.
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On Mar 17, 12:03 pm, Allen Wessels <awess....TakeThisOut@EXPUNGEpacbell.net>
wrote:
> In article
> <fdfe4a98-1cf3-4354-8b4d-1cea25712....TakeThisOut@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>  Hong Ooi <h....TakeThisOut@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 17, 9:02 am, Allen Wessels <awess....TakeThisOut@EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
> > > 4e is a fine game.  The joke is that marketing people really expect you
> > > not to call bullshit when you see it.  They took the D&D brand name and
> > > slapped it onto a different game that keeps a few of the same mechanics.
>
> > You say this like it's a negative thing.
>
> Good catch.  
>
>
>
> > > I just read the link that was posted earlier to some warlord powers
>
> > >http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20080314&authenticate=true
>
> > > These guys really expect cool to override the BS that is causing SoD to
> > > go into Ultraviolet Alert.
>
> > Pfah. This is your opportunity to robustify your suspension of
> > disbelief. What kind of self-respecting grognard fails to seize the
> > opportunity to indulge in a character-building exercise?
>
> Don't be so open-minded your brain falls out.

This is already handled by the simple strategem of not thinking too
hard about fantasy.
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Del Rio wrote:
> In article <B7ednTo4Wc6Au0HanZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d.DeleteThis@comcast.com>,
> Malachias Invictus <invictusebay.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Del Rio" <delrio.DeleteThis@panix.com> wrote in message
>> news:frgoq0$j1r$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>> As opposed to people who at high levels can execute
>>> absolutely mind-blowing amounts of death and destruction, but
>>> can still only cast Light once, because that's all they
>>> memorized.
>> Heh. I am just hoping they get the whole "mind-blowing amounts of death and
>> destruction" part right. From what I have seen, the upper level stuff seems
>> nerfed.
>
> Pointer? Not sure I've seen anything upper level yet...
>

There were the examples of fly, mirror image and improved invis, which
were 10th-16th level spells, and moreover cut down in power from what
they were in 3E.
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In article <13tqaqoa06mv1a.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
Hong Ooi <hong.DeleteThis@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>
>There were the examples of fly, mirror image and improved invis, which
>were 10th-16th level spells, and moreover cut down in power from what
>they were in 3E.

Oh yeah I forgot about that partial spell list we got look at.
Mirror Image was 10+?

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Hong Ooi <hong.RemoveThis@zipworld.com.au>
scribed into the ether:

>On Mar 17, 9:02 am, Allen Wessels <awess....RemoveThis@EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
>> In article <GdWdnaUOT8fKD0DanZ2dnUVZ_ualn....RemoveThis@comcast.com>,
>>
>>  Tetsubo <tets....RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Allen Wessels wrote:
>> > > One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
>> > > time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.
>> >    The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
>> > verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
>> > not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.
>>
>> Every Jester or Bard walked a fine line.
>>
>> >    Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
>> > joke on D&D players is 4E.
>>
>> All jokes wear thin if you overuse them.
>
>Yes, that's what Matt would say.

No, I'm just waiting for you to demonstrate the ability to do anything
better than me, since that's about the only claim you've ever made, and yet
it has never actually materialized.

Rather sad, when nobody else has ever seen the one thing you claim to be
good at.

PS: Piss off, troll.
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Hong Ooi wrote:
> On Mar 17, 12:03 pm, Allen Wessels <awess....DeleteThis@EXPUNGEpacbell.net>
> wrote:

>>Don't be so open-minded your brain falls out.
>
>
> This is already handled by the simple strategem of not thinking too
> hard about fantasy.

That's a bad idea for anyone who actually wants to WRITE any.




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On Mar 17, 8:06 am, drow <d....RemoveThis@bin.sh> wrote:
> Alien mind control rays made Del Rio <del....RemoveThis@panix.com> write:
>
> > What does 3[W] mean?
>
> as i read it, 3 x base weapon damage.
>
> > discussion. Or, does slide work by giving the other party
> > member a free move? I.e. "Groth, I'm invoking slide on you,
> > move yourself 1 sq."
>
> that's the way i'd run it. if its the other guy being inspired, let
> the other guy move.
>

From the reading of the quickstart guide, It's the one with the power
who gets to move the other.

- Justisaur
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In article <47DE5CDA.8010304 RemoveThis @sgeObviousinc.com>,
Sea Wasp <seawaspObvious RemoveThis @sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:

> Hong Ooi wrote:
> > On Mar 17, 12:03 pm, Allen Wessels <awess... RemoveThis @EXPUNGEpacbell.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >>Don't be so open-minded your brain falls out.
> >
> >
> > This is already handled by the simple strategem of not thinking too
> > hard about fantasy.
>
> That's a bad idea for anyone who actually wants to WRITE any.

Oh no, you just open your mind full throttle and channel in direct
mind-union with the fantasy world plane.

Or you go back on your meds.

- Allen
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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:00:06 -0700 (PDT), Hong Ooi <hong.DeleteThis@zipworld.com.au>
scribed into the ether:

>On Mar 17, 1:23 pm, Matt Frisch <matus....DeleteThis@yahoo.spam.me.not.com>
>wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT), Hong Ooi <h....DeleteThis@zipworld.com.au>
>> scribed into the ether:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Mar 17, 9:02 am, Allen Wessels <awess....DeleteThis@EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
>> >> In article <GdWdnaUOT8fKD0DanZ2dnUVZ_ualn....DeleteThis@comcast.com>,
>>
>> >>  Tetsubo <tets....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >> > Allen Wessels wrote:
>> >> > > One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
>> >> > > time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.
>> >> >    The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
>> >> > verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
>> >> > not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.
>>
>> >> Every Jester or Bard walked a fine line.
>>
>> >> >    Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
>> >> > joke on D&D players is 4E.
>>
>> >> All jokes wear thin if you overuse them.
>>
>> >Yes, that's what Matt would say.
>>
>> No, I'm just waiting for you to demonstrate the ability to do anything
>> better than me,
>
>I fail to do a high-pitched voice better than you.
>
>>since that's about the only claim you've ever made, and yet
>> it has never actually materialized.
>
>Have a generic food metaphor on me.
>
>>
>> Rather sad, when nobody else has ever seen the one thing you claim to be
>> good at.
>
>I've already admitted that you do a high-pitched voice better than me.
>I suppose continuing in this vein can only throw up more things that
>you do better than me, but, well, that's your lookout.
>
>>
>> PS: Piss off, troll.
>
>Whereas I still do this better than you.

Pathetic.
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In article <MPG.22483aefaab187aa98a9a7 DeleteThis @pnews.dmv.com>,
Rast <rast2 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>White Raven Onslaught Warlord Attack 1
>You lead the way with a powerful attack, using your success to create an
>opportunity for one of your allies. Each of your comrades in turn seizes
>on your example and begins to display true teamwork.
>Daily
>Martial, Weapon
>Standard Action
>Melee weapon
>Target: One creature
>Attack: Strength vs. AC
>Hit: 3[W] + Strength modifier damage, and you slide an adjacent ally 1
>square. Until the end of the encounter, whenever you or an ally within 10
>squares of you makes a successful attack, the attacker slides an adjacent
>ally 1 square.
>Miss: Choose one ally within 10 squares. Until the end of the encounter,
>the ally slides an adjacent ally 1 square after making a successful
>attack.

It took me two readings of that to even figure out what the
hell the power actually was. I take it that "slide" is a
move that provokes no AoO? So what happens is that if the WL
succeeds at invoking this power, then the whole group within
10sq of the WL becomes more "combat mobile", but if he misses
then basically one ally of his choice gets the mobility? So,
the daily power is never entirely wasted, even if he misses?

What does 3[W] mean?

One thing that seems slightly weird to me is that it *sounds*
like slide is invoked by the player whose turn it is - does
that allow you to decide the movement of other party members?
I think I would find that very weird and wrong, and I certainly
wouldn't want it to be the cause of a bunch of meta-game
discussion. Or, does slide work by giving the other party
member a free move? I.e. "Groth, I'm invoking slide on you,
move yourself 1 sq."

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In article <frlqbu$65b$1@reader2.panix.com>, delrio.RemoveThis@panix.com (Del Rio)
wrote:


> It took me two readings of that to even figure out what the
> hell the power actually was. I take it that "slide" is a
> move that provokes no AoO? So what happens is that if the WL
> succeeds at invoking this power, then the whole group within
> 10sq of the WL becomes more "combat mobile", but if he misses
> then basically one ally of his choice gets the mobility? So,
> the daily power is never entirely wasted, even if he misses?
>
> What does 3[W] mean?

I got the impression 3 x weapon dice damage.

> One thing that seems slightly weird to me is that it *sounds*
> like slide is invoked by the player whose turn it is - does
> that allow you to decide the movement of other party members?
> I think I would find that very weird and wrong, and I certainly
> wouldn't want it to be the cause of a bunch of meta-game
> discussion. Or, does slide work by giving the other party
> member a free move? I.e. "Groth, I'm invoking slide on you,
> move yourself 1 sq."

If you read the descriptive text, the warlord is describe as an
altruist, spending their powers for the benefit of the other party
members.

I just coincidentally allows the player to control the other players'
characters.

Usually in those power descriptions, the buffed ally *can* perform the
beneficial move, but there is no can, just a description of what the
ally does.

An uncharitable read of this suggests the Warlord can make your
character do things they don't necessarily want to do, and you don't get
a save.

- Allen
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Hong Ooi wrote:

> There were the examples of fly, mirror image and improved invis, which
> were 10th-16th level spells, and moreover cut down in power from what
> they were in 3E.

That's where the classic 3rd and 4th level spells will lie, and as
they're probably capping the game just on old 8th level spells while also
weakening high level spellcasters, they've got to ramp things up pretty
slowly from the more powerful 1st level stuff.

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