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On Mar 12, 2:28 am, Hong Ooi <h....TakeThisOut@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
> Thought I'd mention that ThirdWizard on EN World has put together a pdf
> containing the stats for all 4E monsters seen so far, the fast-play
> rules, the list of conditions, additional notes from the boards, and a
> link to the pregen chars. It's your one-stop shop for playing 4E!
>
> All you 4orons can get it here:http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/Monsters%20&%20More%20(4th%20Edi...

I really don't like the 'monster' human wizard. He's all boom, and
not really much of that. Where's the grease, the charm, the sleep,
the enlarge? I have a feeling I'm going to really hate the 4e
wizard. That could really kill the game for me.

Why did they give him such a high wisdom with everything else so low?

- Justisaur
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On Mar 14, 12:57 am, Hong Ooi <h....DeleteThis@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
> Justisaur wrote:
> > On Mar 12, 2:28 am, Hong Ooi <h....DeleteThis@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
> >> Thought I'd mention that ThirdWizard on EN World has put together a pdf
> >> containing the stats for all 4E monsters seen so far, the fast-play
> >> rules, the list of conditions, additional notes from the boards, and a
> >> link to the pregen chars. It's your one-stop shop for playing 4E!
>
> >> All you 4orons can get it here:http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/Monsters%20&%20More%20(4th%20Edi...
>
> > I really don't like the 'monster' human wizard. He's all boom, and
> > not really much of that. Where's the grease, the charm, the sleep,
> > the enlarge? I have a feeling I'm going to really hate the 4e
> > wizard. That could really kill the game for me.
>
> That's the simplified wizard for when you just want someone to nuke the
> PCs. Nothing stops you writing up an NPC wizard using PC chargen rules.

Ah, they just made the NPC a boom wizard. That's o.k. I guess. Not
my style, but it's a possibility.

>
> One of the pregen PCs for D&DXP was a wizard, and you can find him here:
>
> http://wizards.com/dnd/files/ExperienceCharacters.zip
>

I see sleep there at least. Still a lot of boom powers, but looks
better. O.K. I'll put my overreaction away...

>
> > Why did they give him such a high wisdom with everything else so low?
>
> Probably in case he ever needed to make a Wis attack. Your guess is as
> good as mine.

I still don't get this. The PC has a high Dex and outrageous Int. I
thought Dex and Int did the same thing in 4e?

Sigh. I guess this is what comes of trying to make judgments from an
incomplete picture.

- Justisaur
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Justisaur wrote:
> On Mar 12, 2:28 am, Hong Ooi <h... DeleteThis @zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>> Thought I'd mention that ThirdWizard on EN World has put together a pdf
>> containing the stats for all 4E monsters seen so far, the fast-play
>> rules, the list of conditions, additional notes from the boards, and a
>> link to the pregen chars. It's your one-stop shop for playing 4E!
>>
>> All you 4orons can get it here:http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/Monsters%20&%20More%20(4th%20Edi...
>
> I really don't like the 'monster' human wizard. He's all boom, and
> not really much of that. Where's the grease, the charm, the sleep,
> the enlarge? I have a feeling I'm going to really hate the 4e
> wizard. That could really kill the game for me.

That's the simplified wizard for when you just want someone to nuke the
PCs. Nothing stops you writing up an NPC wizard using PC chargen rules.

One of the pregen PCs for D&DXP was a wizard, and you can find him here:

http://wizards.com/dnd/files/ExperienceCharacters.zip

>
> Why did they give him such a high wisdom with everything else so low?

Probably in case he ever needed to make a Wis attack. Your guess is as
good as mine.
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On Mar 14, 6:23 pm, Hong Ooi <h....TakeThisOut@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
> Justisaur wrote:
> > On Mar 14, 12:57 am, Hong Ooi <h....TakeThisOut@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>
> >> One of the pregen PCs for D&DXP was a wizard, and you can find him here:
>
> >>http://wizards.com/dnd/files/ExperienceCharacters.zip
>
> > I see sleep there at least. Still a lot of boom powers, but looks
> > better. O.K. I'll put my overreaction away...
>
> Did you notice at-will Mage Hand?

Oh yea, that seems almost over the top. Maybe not almost. It's a lot
better than 3.5's mage hand too beyond being able to do it all day
long. There's a whole hell of a lot I could do with that in a
dungeon.

There's still some wizard cheese to look forward to, and that's only
1st level.

- Justisaur
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Justisaur wrote:
> On Mar 14, 12:57 am, Hong Ooi <h....RemoveThis@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>
>> One of the pregen PCs for D&DXP was a wizard, and you can find him here:
>>
>> http://wizards.com/dnd/files/ExperienceCharacters.zip
>>
>
> I see sleep there at least. Still a lot of boom powers, but looks
> better. O.K. I'll put my overreaction away...

Did you notice at-will Mage Hand?
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In article <8cd8663b-7f69-4e8e-95c5-6ff991a1195a.TakeThisOut@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
Justisaur <justisaur.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mar 14, 6:23 pm, Hong Ooi <h....TakeThisOut@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>> Justisaur wrote:
>>
>> Did you notice at-will Mage Hand?
>
>Oh yea, that seems almost over the top. Maybe not almost. It's a lot
>better than 3.5's mage hand too beyond being able to do it all day
>long. There's a whole hell of a lot I could do with that in a
>dungeon.
>
>There's still some wizard cheese to look forward to, and that's only
>1st level.

It seems to me that being able to do stuff like Mage Hand and/or
Light "at will" makes D&D Wizard seem almost like... you know,
*wizards*. As opposed to people who at high levels can execute
absolutely mind-blowing amounts of death and destruction, but
can still only cast Light once, because that's all they
memorized.

--
"I know I promised, Lord, never again. But I also know
that YOU know what a weak-willed person I am."
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"Del Rio" <delrio.TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <8cd8663b-7f69-4e8e-95c5-6ff991a1195a.TakeThisOut@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> Justisaur <justisaur.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Mar 14, 6:23 pm, Hong Ooi <h....TakeThisOut@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>>> Justisaur wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you notice at-will Mage Hand?
>>
>>Oh yea, that seems almost over the top. Maybe not almost. It's a lot
>>better than 3.5's mage hand too beyond being able to do it all day
>>long. There's a whole hell of a lot I could do with that in a
>>dungeon.
>>
>>There's still some wizard cheese to look forward to, and that's only
>>1st level.
>
> It seems to me that being able to do stuff like Mage Hand and/or
> Light "at will" makes D&D Wizard seem almost like... you know,
> *wizards*.

I totally agree.

> As opposed to people who at high levels can execute
> absolutely mind-blowing amounts of death and destruction, but
> can still only cast Light once, because that's all they
> memorized.

Heh. I am just hoping they get the whole "mind-blowing amounts of death and
destruction" part right. From what I have seen, the upper level stuff seems
nerfed.

--
^v^v^Malachias Invictus^v^v^

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishment the scroll,
I am the Master of my fate:
I am the Captain of my soul.

from _Invictus_, by William Ernest Henley
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In article <13tqh35s0h8h9e4 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
Hong Ooi <hong RemoveThis @zipworld.com.au> wrote:

> Sea Wasp wrote:

> > No, in a deep thundering voice that rolls through the mountains like
> > the rumble of an earthquake, leaving other lesser beings silenced and
> > trembling in fear.
> >
>
> This is another one of those pronouncements said in a high-pitched
> voice, yes?

One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.



- Allen
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In article <B7ednTo4Wc6Au0HanZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>,
Malachias Invictus <invictusebay.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>"Del Rio" <delrio.TakeThisOut@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:frgoq0$j1r$1@reader2.panix.com...
>> As opposed to people who at high levels can execute
>> absolutely mind-blowing amounts of death and destruction, but
>> can still only cast Light once, because that's all they
>> memorized.
>
>Heh. I am just hoping they get the whole "mind-blowing amounts of death and
>destruction" part right. From what I have seen, the upper level stuff seems
>nerfed.

Pointer? Not sure I've seen anything upper level yet...

--
"I know I promised, Lord, never again. But I also know
that YOU know what a weak-willed person I am."
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Allen Wessels wrote:
> In article <13tqh35s0h8h9e4 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> Hong Ooi <hong RemoveThis @zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>>Sea Wasp wrote:
>
>
>>> No, in a deep thundering voice that rolls through the mountains like
>>>the rumble of an earthquake, leaving other lesser beings silenced and
>>>trembling in fear.
>>>
>>
>>This is another one of those pronouncements said in a high-pitched
>>voice, yes?
>
>
> One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
> time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.
>
>
>
> - Allen

The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.

Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
joke on D&D players is 4E.

--
Tetsubo
--------------------------------------
"The apparent lesson of the Inquisition is that insistence on
uniformity of belief is fatal to intellectual, moral and spiritual health."
-The Uses Of The Past-, Herbert J. Muller

BLUP
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In article <GdWdnaUOT8fKD0DanZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d.TakeThisOut@comcast.com>,
Tetsubo <tetsubo.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:

> Allen Wessels wrote:

> > One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
> > time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.

> The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
> verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
> not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.

Every Jester or Bard walked a fine line.

> Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
> joke on D&D players is 4E.

All jokes wear thin if you overuse them.

4e is a fine game. The joke is that marketing people really expect you
not to call bullshit when you see it. They took the D&D brand name and
slapped it onto a different game that keeps a few of the same mechanics.

I just read the link that was posted earlier to some warlord powers

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20080314&authenticate=true

These guys really expect cool to override the BS that is causing SoD to
go into Ultraviolet Alert.



Arrow through the Head Jester Attack 1
No matter how serious the foe, there is always a way to mock him.
Daily
Martial, Weapon
Standard Action
(2) Arrows
Target: One creature
Attack: Cha vs. Reflex
Hit: 3[W] + Cha modifier damage.
Effect: Until the end of the encounter, all target's allies within 10
squares have a -2 to hit because they're cracking up.




- Allen
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On Mar 17, 8:34 am, Tetsubo <tets....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> Allen Wessels wrote:
> > In article <13tqh35s0h8h....DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
> >  Hong Ooi <h....DeleteThis@zipworld.com.au> wrote:
>
> >>Sea Wasp wrote:
>
> >>>    No, in a deep thundering voice that rolls through the mountains like
> >>>the rumble of an earthquake, leaving other lesser beings silenced and
> >>>trembling in fear.
>
> >>This is another one of those pronouncements said in a high-pitched
> >>voice, yes?
>
> > One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
> > time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.
>
> >
>
> > - Allen
>
>         The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
> verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
> not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.
>
>         Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
> joke on D&D players is 4E.
>

Hi, Halaster!
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On Mar 17, 9:02 am, Allen Wessels <awess....DeleteThis@EXPUNGEpacbell.net> wrote:
> In article <GdWdnaUOT8fKD0DanZ2dnUVZ_ualn....DeleteThis@comcast.com>,
>
>  Tetsubo <tets....DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> > Allen Wessels wrote:
> > > One begins to understand and empathize with why royalty from time to
> > > time had court jesters tortured and/or executed.
> >    The role of the Jester was to tell the King the truth via humor and
> > verse. He may well be the only person in Court that could do that and
> > not be executed. In many ways he played the role of Jimney Cricket.
>
> Every Jester or Bard walked a fine line.
>
> >    Hong is failing miserably at this if he is the newsgroups Jester. The
> > joke on D&D players is 4E.
>
> All jokes wear thin if you overuse them.

Yes, that's what Matt would say.

>
> 4e is a fine game.  The joke is that marketing people really expect you
> not to call bullshit when you see it.  They took the D&D brand name and
> slapped it onto a different game that keeps a few of the same mechanics.

You say this like it's a negative thing.

>
> I just read the link that was posted earlier to some warlord powers
>
> http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drdd/20080314&authenticate=true
>
> These guys really expect cool to override the BS that is causing SoD to
> go into Ultraviolet Alert.

Pfah. This is your opportunity to robustify your suspension of
disbelief. What kind of self-respecting grognard fails to seize the
opportunity to indulge in a character-building exercise?
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