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Hey,

On Feb 14, 8:46 pm, "MJB" <mrt....RemoveThis@OLDsguy.com> wrote:
> Are you a freakin' engineer?

Is the person who sculpted that BoN model an "artist"?

> 'good' diags will do even better

The issue is not the cutter, but the pin material -
Try and bend the material at a sharp 90deg angle.
If it breaks (bend away from you), it's not safe to cut.


Playa
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> Hey,
>
> On Feb 14, 8:46 pm, "MJB" <mrt....DeleteThis@OLDsguy.com> wrote:
>> Are you a freakin' engineer?
>
> Is the person who sculpted that BoN model an "artist"?

Probably - he or she just isn't a gamer or a modeler.

>
>> 'good' diags will do even better
>
> The issue is not the cutter, but the pin material -
> Try and bend the material at a sharp 90deg angle.
> If it breaks (bend away from you), it's not safe to cut.

Why would anyone use material that hard or that brittle? If it isn't safe
to cut, why would I use it?

Not a slam or a dig - I just pick my preferred modeling materials based
solely on their practicality. And the realization that anything I make only
has to out-live me. Not last forever.


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"MJB" <mrtinj.RemoveThis@OLDsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "smithdoerr" <smithdoerr.RemoveThis@someplace.else> wrote in message
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>> "MJB" <mrtinj.RemoveThis@OLDsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>> I've never understood people who use brass rod for pinning.
>>
>> If don't understand why a person would use brass I could clue you in
>> (although I already gave one reason in my other post) but if you really
>> don't understand people, as your sentence suggests, then I'm afraid I
>> can't help you.
>>
>
> I parsed that sentence twice and it still didn't make any sense to my aged
> brain. So I can only assume that Cheshire has just stolen your nic and is
> posting under another 'nym.
>
> Goddamn you Cheshire!
>
> Goddamn you to hell!
>
> <smirk>

Hehe, was one of those "I really should have been out of the house and on
the road 5 minutes ago but I'll fire off just one more quick post before I
leave" type of posts. I probably shouldn't do that.

> Honestly, my chief issue with brass rod is availabilty. I live in a town
> without a well-stocked or well-run hobby store - so I generally have to
> rely upon what I can find at the local ACE hardware or Michael's arts &
> crafts store for my modeling needs. Which means I can't even buy sheet
> styrene or landscaping materials locally. So I have to already order all
> my plasticard and all my flocking over the 'net - I'm not really
> interested in adding brass rod to my mailorder list if I have readily
> available substitutes at hand.

You got it in one: availability. I used to use paper clips, non-insulated
copper wire, etc. but then we happened to move near a hobby store that had
brass rods so I started using those instead. Brass doesn't react with other
metals as much (it's sometimes used to insulate different metal alloys from
each other) and as playa mentioned comes in all different precise sizes and
shapes. And the penny or two of added cost is insignificant when the model
is 3 bucks or more.

But really, using brass is mostly just a convenience thing since the life
span of your typical gamer (or the lifespan of their interest in modeling)
and the fact that the metal used these days is purer than it used to be
means that pin corrosion really isn't an issue. But I really like the
precision sizes for the reasons playa mentioned. Plus the copper in the
brass will protect your mini's joints from bacteria and Nurgle rot!

So if I didn't already have a ready supply of brass rods I probably wouldn't
bother trying to find a source since other metals are "good enough". And
looking at some of the sewing pins I have around some of them are smaller
than 1 mm and I'm sure I'll find a use for them at some point. So thanks
for the sewing pin suggestion.


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"smithdoerr" <smithdoerr DeleteThis @someplace.else> wrote in message
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>>
>> I parsed that sentence twice and it still didn't make any sense to my
>> aged brain. So I can only assume that Cheshire has just stolen your nic
>> and is posting under another 'nym.
>
> Hehe, was one of those "I really should have been out of the house and on
> the road 5 minutes ago but I'll fire off just one more quick post before I
> leave" type of posts. I probably shouldn't do that.

Well, not if you wish to be intelligible at all.

>
> You got it in one: availability. I used to use paper clips, non-insulated
> copper wire, etc. but then we happened to move near a hobby store that had
> brass rods so I started using those instead. Brass doesn't react with
> other metals as much (it's sometimes used to insulate different metal
> alloys from each other) and as playa mentioned comes in all different
> precise sizes and shapes. And the penny or two of added cost is
> insignificant when the model is 3 bucks or more.

My modeling and painting projects only have to out-live me. I'm still able
to play with toys I created almost thirty years ago - so as far as I'm
concerned, they're still adequate for my wargaming needs. The next
generation of gamers can build their own goddamn collections.

<smirk>

>
> But really, using brass is mostly just a convenience thing since the life
> span of your typical gamer (or the lifespan of their interest in modeling)
> and the fact that the metal used these days is purer than it used to be
> means that pin corrosion really isn't an issue. But I really like the
> precision sizes for the reasons playa mentioned. Plus the copper in the
> brass will protect your mini's joints from bacteria and Nurgle rot!

I've been collecting metal miniatures for thirty years now and have yet to
see 'lead rot'. I know it exists - I've seen pictures of miniatures so
afflicted - but I've never seen it first hand. Ditto for pin corrosion.

>
> So if I didn't already have a ready supply of brass rods I probably
> wouldn't bother trying to find a source since other metals are "good
> enough". And looking at some of the sewing pins I have around some of
> them are smaller than 1 mm and I'm sure I'll find a use for them at some
> point. So thanks for the sewing pin suggestion.

I'm a 15mm historical gamer who has routinely replaced the metal cast-on
lance shaft with sewing pins to have a durable metal lance. And replaced
the shaft of a cast-on flag so it won't snap-off with the hand-painted flag
still attached. Not to mention replacing the bent gun barrels on 1/285
scale micro-armor with teeny-tiny pins. So my experience drilling little
holes is wide and varied. And I'm always glad to help.

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"MJB" <mrtinj.TakeThisOut@OLDsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> But really, using brass is mostly just a convenience thing since the life
>> span of your typical gamer (or the lifespan of their interest in
>> modeling) and the fact that the metal used these days is purer than it
>> used to be means that pin corrosion really isn't an issue. But I really
>> like the precision sizes for the reasons playa mentioned. Plus the
>> copper in the brass will protect your mini's joints from bacteria and
>> Nurgle rot!
>
> I've been collecting metal miniatures for thirty years now and have yet to
> see 'lead rot'. I know it exists - I've seen pictures of miniatures so
> afflicted - but I've never seen it first hand. Ditto for pin corrosion.

I have a couple unpainted minis from the 70s with bad spots on them but
other minis from the same batch that were painted show no signs of rot. So
like I said, I use brass mostly for convenience.


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> "MJB" <mrtinj DeleteThis @OLDsguy.com> wrote in message
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>>> But really, using brass is mostly just a convenience thing since the
>>> life span of your typical gamer (or the lifespan of their interest in
>>> modeling) and the fact that the metal used these days is purer than it
>>> used to be means that pin corrosion really isn't an issue. But I really
>>> like the precision sizes for the reasons playa mentioned. Plus the
>>> copper in the brass will protect your mini's joints from bacteria and
>>> Nurgle rot!
>>
>> I've been collecting metal miniatures for thirty years now and have yet
>> to see 'lead rot'. I know it exists - I've seen pictures of miniatures
>> so afflicted - but I've never seen it first hand. Ditto for pin
>> corrosion.
>
> I have a couple unpainted minis from the 70s with bad spots on them but
> other minis from the same batch that were painted show no signs of rot.

I have a few very old figures that are showing signs of darkening and/or
mottling, but nothing that would make them non-viable. figures that have
been painted and then stripped seem to acquire this more easily.
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea MJB said

>> So you don't go to fabric shops for the shy young sales chicks?
>>
>
> Obviously you've been there too?

On occasion I need to buy things like Parka Nylon (to fix bouncy castle)
and bright red cotton (Superman Cape for 2yo). I force myself to go
through the door.

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"Robert Singers" <rsingers.RemoveThis@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea MJB said
>
>>> So you don't go to fabric shops for the shy young sales chicks?
>>>
>>
>> Obviously you've been there too?
>
> On occasion I need to buy things like Parka Nylon (to fix bouncy castle)
> and bright red cotton (Superman Cape for 2yo). I force myself to go
> through the door.
>

I think knowing Rob has a bouncy castle is definitely TMI on this
newsgroup...
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> "Robert Singers" <rsingers.TakeThisOut@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea MJB said
>>
>>>> So you don't go to fabric shops for the shy young sales chicks?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously you've been there too?
>>
>> On occasion I need to buy things like Parka Nylon (to fix bouncy castle)
>> and bright red cotton (Superman Cape for 2yo). I force myself to go
>> through the door.
>>
>
> I think knowing Rob has a bouncy castle is definitely TMI on this
> newsgroup...

what's even worse is knowing that he made a hole in it.
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Doctor Rock said

> I have a few very old figures that are showing signs of darkening
> and/or mottling, but nothing that would make them non-viable. figures
> that have been painted and then stripped seem to acquire this more
> easily.

There's a difference between Lead Oxide and Lead Rot. You'll probably find
that the stripping took away the remenates of the mould process that was
acting as a barrier to oxygen.

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In article <Xns9A46E446028A2rsingers@IP-Hidden>,
rsingers.TakeThisOut@finger.hotmail.com says...
> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Doctor Rock said
>
> > I have a few very old figures that are showing signs of darkening
> > and/or mottling, but nothing that would make them non-viable. figures
> > that have been painted and then stripped seem to acquire this more
> > easily.
>
> There's a difference between Lead Oxide and Lead Rot. You'll probably find
> that the stripping took away the remenates of the mould process that was
> acting as a barrier to oxygen.
>
I've seen lead oxide on some of my figs from the late 70's - but
what the heck is lead rot and what does it look like?


Myr


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"Myrmidon" <imnot.DeleteThis@home.com> wrote in message
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> In article <Xns9A46E446028A2rsingers@IP-Hidden>,
> rsingers.DeleteThis@finger.hotmail.com says...
>> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea Doctor Rock said
>>
>> > I have a few very old figures that are showing signs of darkening
>> > and/or mottling, but nothing that would make them non-viable. figures
>> > that have been painted and then stripped seem to acquire this more
>> > easily.
>>
>> There's a difference between Lead Oxide and Lead Rot. You'll probably
>> find
>> that the stripping took away the remenates of the mould process that was
>> acting as a barrier to oxygen.
>>
> I've seen lead oxide on some of my figs from the late 70's - but
> what the heck is lead rot and what does it look like?
>

Best description of it I've yet seen.

http://www.dt.navy.mil/cnsm/lead_01.html


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Hey,

On Feb 15, 11:57 am, "MJB" <mrt... DeleteThis @OLDsguy.com> wrote:
> Why would anyone use material that hard or that brittle?

First, my response was not a criticism of your chosen technique.
But, in an earlier post, you wrote:

> I've never understood people who use brass rod for pinning. I uses a lot of
> different materials and have never had any reason to use brass.

Certain modellers may read that as saying it makes no difference.
Some might construe it as a condemnation of brass as inferior.
But, there *is* a difference, and brass is *not* inferior.

> I just pick my preferred modeling materials based
> solely on their practicality

I suspect availability plays a larger part in amateur modellers'
decisions.
That bending test can steer such people away from unsuitable
materials.
The suggestion was not intended for experienced (or pro) mini
modellers.

Members of GW's target demographic are not barred from USEnet. ;- )


Playa
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