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MJB wrote:
> "The Cheshire Cat" <Roknese.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> i never liked how you were completely incapable of ever understanding the
>> other factions words. seriously. in every war known to man they had people
>> who could speak the other sides language. i think anyway. probably wrong
>> about that. any history nazi's up here want to back me up or put it to
>> bed?
>
> At the higher levels - the commanders of any european army could probably
> communicate with the other side's commanders directly. And call each other
> 'cousin' to boot. But at the grunt level? I doubt if a Roman legionaire
> who spoke 'latin' could understand or communicate with a Macedonian
> phalangist who spoke 'greek' at all. Hand signals maybe - I've got figures
> of English longbowmen giving the 'two-finger salute' still common in Europe,
> along with bending over to expose their backsides to the enemy. Some things
> are just universal, I suppose.
<snip>

Bending over and exposing you backside to anyone would probably be a
painful exercise in RGMW
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"Sir Chewbury Gubbins" <chewbury.gubbins.TakeThisOut@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote in
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> MJB the Monkey was never naughty:
>>
>> So yes, CC, it matters in real life. How it matters in a MMORPG is
>> another
>> issue entirely.
>
> I think even the dumbest of grunts could learn the opposing army's words
> for
> "lol", "nub", "pwned" and "gief gold plx kthxbai"
>
> Choobs

Well, you can use the built in emotes to communicate with the other side.
There's also quest-givers that seem able to talk to players of both sides.
I wish the emote system was a bit more robust for communicating ideas
(things you could obviously do in real life like 1-10, etc).
I also wish they had made it so you COULD learn the other side's languages
if you wanted to invest significantly in it. Such as a profession. That
would (hopefully) deter some of the trash-talkers.
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"MJB" <mrtinj RemoveThis @OLDsguy.com> wrote in message
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> "The Cheshire Cat" <Roknese RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> i never liked how you were completely incapable of ever understanding the
>> other factions words. seriously. in every war known to man they had
>> people who could speak the other sides language. i think anyway. probably
>> wrong about that. any history nazi's up here want to back me up or put it
>> to bed?
>
> At the higher levels - the commanders of any european army could probably
> communicate with the other side's commanders directly. And call each
> other 'cousin' to boot. But at the grunt level? I doubt if a Roman
> legionaire who spoke 'latin' could understand or communicate with a
> Macedonian phalangist who spoke 'greek' at all.

may I take a moment to nitpick? thanks, cos I do so love to:

most roman soldiers (or sailors for that matter) would've been able to get
by in greek. it was certainly far more widely used amongst citizens of the
empire than latin - even if they didn't speak it already, anyone posted to
the eastern empire would've picked up the basics very quickly, or gotten
extremely hungry, cold and pissed off. it was also probably well
established in the west, since the bulk of the roman empire's merchant class
was, in fact, comprised of greeks and native speakers from the eastern
islands. in nearly all of the mediterranean territories, roman officials
and the majority of their subjects wouldn't have been fluent in each other's
languages, but they both spoke greek and consequently most everyday business
would've been conducted in greek.

ahhhh, that's better (cue comical rubbery noise of sphincter unclenching)
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"Doctor Rock" <malafex.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "MJB" <mrtinj.TakeThisOut@OLDsguy.com> wrote in message
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>> "The Cheshire Cat" <Roknese.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> i never liked how you were completely incapable of ever understanding
>>> the other factions words. seriously. in every war known to man they had
>>> people who could speak the other sides language. i think anyway.
>>> probably wrong about that. any history nazi's up here want to back me up
>>> or put it to bed?
>>
>> At the higher levels - the commanders of any european army could probably
>> communicate with the other side's commanders directly. And call each
>> other 'cousin' to boot. But at the grunt level? I doubt if a Roman
>> legionaire who spoke 'latin' could understand or communicate with a
>> Macedonian phalangist who spoke 'greek' at all.
>
> may I take a moment to nitpick? thanks, cos I do so love to:

Of course. Wouldn't dare to stop you even if I could.

<shrug>

Notice I put both 'latin' and 'greek' in elipses... neither language existed
in their modern form in the period under discussion. In truth, a Macedonian
from Pella wasn't even considered a Greek at all - at least not so by a
citizen of Athens or Thebes.

>
> most roman soldiers (or sailors for that matter) would've been able to get
> by in greek.

You're absolutely right. But I had originally meant to use the phrase 'it's
all greek to me' somewhere in my text to indicate language confusion but
couldn't manage to fit it in. So the roman vs macedonian example was used.
I could have just as well said Muscovite vs Tartar, Turk vs Byzantine,
Macedonian vs Indian, Mohawk vs American colonist, etc

It's also equally true the the Roman empire recruited it's legions from the
length and breath of it's empire. And legions recruited in Spain were sent
to the German frontier for service along the Danube. And legions made-up of
soldiers from the middle east found their way to the far north of britan
manning Hadrians wall. In no small measure this was done to prevent the
soldiers from fraternizing and sympathizing with the civilian population -
this was a lesson hard learned when Belgic tribesmen IIRC revolted and were
promtly joined in revolt by legions composed of Germans from the nearby
area.

>
> ahhhh, that's better (cue comical rubbery noise of sphincter unclenching)

You are just such a pedant sometimes, Alister...

<grin>

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"Kevin Milner" <dontspamme.RemoveThis@ihatespam.net> wrote in message
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> "Sir Chewbury Gubbins" <chewbury.gubbins.RemoveThis@nelefa.org.invalid> wrote in
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>> MJB the Monkey was never naughty:
>>>
>>> So yes, CC, it matters in real life. How it matters in a MMORPG is
>>> another
>>> issue entirely.
>>
>> I think even the dumbest of grunts could learn the opposing army's words
>> for
>> "lol", "nub", "pwned" and "gief gold plx kthxbai"
>>
>> Choobs
>
> Well, you can use the built in emotes to communicate with the other side.
> There's also quest-givers that seem able to talk to players of both sides.
> I wish the emote system was a bit more robust for communicating ideas
> (things you could obviously do in real life like 1-10, etc).
> I also wish they had made it so you COULD learn the other side's languages
> if you wanted to invest significantly in it. Such as a profession. That
> would (hopefully) deter some of the trash-talkers.

thats my point exactly.
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"The Cheshire Cat" babbled:


>
> erik winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics.


The problem with your analogy is that people DO win the special olympics.
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oeb wrote:

> Bending over and exposing you backside to anyone would probably be a
> painful exercise in RGMW

You'd be safer doing that in a bath house in San Francisco.
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Blackheart wrote:
> On Jan 18, 3:24 am, Kaine <Kain....TakeThisOut@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>> "The Cheshire Cat" babbled:
>>
>>
>>
>>> erik winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics.
>> The problem with your analogy is that people DO win the special olympics.
>
> RGMW lost when Erik showed up...
>
> not sure if France won... probably not.

But he does not go there, so in a sense they win every day.
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Richard Busby wrote:
> oeb wrote:
>
>> Bending over and exposing you backside to anyone would probably be a
>> painful exercise in RGMW
>
> You'd be safer doing that in a bath house in San Francisco.

Less disease riddled afterwards too.
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oeb wrote:
> Richard Busby wrote:
>> oeb wrote:
>>
>>> Bending over and exposing you backside to anyone would probably be a
>>> painful exercise in RGMW
>>
>> You'd be safer doing that in a bath house in San Francisco.
>
> Less disease riddled afterwards too.

Touche'!
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"oeb" <what.will.i.do.with.a.gig DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Blackheart wrote:
>> On Jan 18, 3:24 am, Kaine <Kain... DeleteThis @NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>> "The Cheshire Cat" babbled:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> erik winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics.
>>> The problem with your analogy is that people DO win the special
>>> olympics.
>>
>> RGMW lost when Erik showed up...
>>
>> not sure if France won... probably not.
>
> But he does not go there, so in a sense they win every day.

you know, I'd feel sorry for the guy. If he wasn't an obnoxious little troll
who got everything he deserved that is.
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"Kevin Milner" <dontspamme.DeleteThis@ihatespam.net> wrote in message
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> "oeb" <what.will.i.do.with.a.gig.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Blackheart wrote:
>>> On Jan 18, 3:24 am, Kaine <Kain....DeleteThis@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "The Cheshire Cat" babbled:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> erik winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics.
>>>> The problem with your analogy is that people DO win the special
>>>> olympics.
>>>
>>> RGMW lost when Erik showed up...
>>>
>>> not sure if France won... probably not.
>>
>> But he does not go there, so in a sense they win every day.
>
> you know, I'd feel sorry for the guy. If he wasn't an obnoxious little
> troll who got everything he deserved that is.

even if he was obnoxious but not so damn pretentious id be fine. i mean
hell, we are all obnoxious. its the snooty attitude that makes me want to
shove my fist down his left nostril and pull out his right lung.
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>
> >>>>> erik winning a flame war is like winning the special olympics.
> >>>> The problem with your analogy is that people DO win the special
> >>>> olympics.
>
> >>> RGMW lost when Erik showed up...
>
> >>> not sure if France won... probably not.
>
> >> But he does not go there, so in a sense they win every day.
>
> > you know, I'd feel sorry for the guy. If he wasn't an obnoxious little
> > troll who got everything he deserved that is.
>
> even if he was obnoxious but not so damn pretentious id be fine. i mean
> hell, we are all obnoxious. its the snooty attitude that makes me want to
> shove my fist down his left nostril and pull out his right lung.-
>
>Cheshire Cat: Crossover Credibility Since 2006

i dont even know what that means but i cant help but swell with pride anyway
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