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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:36 am
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Well, I'd been loving the new Ork codex recently. Lots of fun in it,
balanced units, good randomness, all kinds of goodies. And the
background seemed pretty awesome.
Until yesterday.
While having a discussion about the good old days of 40K, I mentioned
my favorite Grot, Makari. Then someone pipes up, "You know they
killed him, right? Ghazghkull sat on him." Surely this is just a
joke, just pulling my leg, right?
Coldly he provided a page number, and what do I see on page 6, second
paragraph under "Gretchin"?
"Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
Great. They used a childish joke to retcon one of my favorite
characters, the one Grot in the whole galaxy of any interest, and they
use a lame excuse that makes Ghazghkull and Makari look like two of
the three Stooges rather than the most dangerous Warboss and luckiest
Grot in the galaxy just to explain away no Makari model.
As a protest, every time I run Ghazghkull, my old Makari model will be
by his side to represent his "bosspole" wargear.
Just another sign that GW doesn't understand its customers...
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:34 pm
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Erik Setzer wrote:
> "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
> of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
> to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:34 pm
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On 15 Jan, 17:34, Richard Busby <richbu....RemoveThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net>
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> Erik Setzer wrote:
> > "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
> > of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
> > to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>
> I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
> disappearance.
>
> He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
As evidenced by the fact that he gets a 2+ invulnerable saving throw
against being fired every time he screws up monumentally. Nothing else
could possibly explain it.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:15 pm
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"Phil Bowles" <pbowles.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
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> On 15 Jan, 17:34, Richard Busby <richbu....RemoveThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>> Erik Setzer wrote:
>> > "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
>> > of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
>> > to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>>
>> I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
>> disappearance.
>>
>> He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
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> As evidenced by the fact that he gets a 2+ invulnerable saving throw
> against being fired every time he screws up monumentally. Nothing else
> could possibly explain it.
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> Phil
Hey! Welcome back Phil.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:02 pm
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:34:52 -0500, Richard Busby
<richbusby DeleteThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Erik Setzer wrote:
>> "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
>> of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
>> to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>
>I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
>disappearance.
>
>He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
That would make sense if I didn't think a Grot was more intelligent
than the entire Design Studio combined.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:04 pm
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:05:07 -0800 (PST), Phil Bowles
<pbowles.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>On 15 Jan, 17:34, Richard Busby <richbu....DeleteThis@hatespam.bellsouth.net>
>wrote:
>> Erik Setzer wrote:
>> > "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
>> > of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
>> > to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>>
>> I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
>> disappearance.
>>
>> He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
>
>As evidenced by the fact that he gets a 2+ invulnerable saving throw
>against being fired every time he screws up monumentally. Nothing else
>could possibly explain it.
Hey, the little guy had a 2+ saved vs. everything back in 2nd. Even
Vortex Grenades couldn't faze him!
(Ironically, though, after having every heavy weapon in the enemy army
wound him in one game, he was felled by a Land Speeder pilot's
pistol.)
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:22 pm
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"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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> Well, I'd been loving the new Ork codex recently. Lots of fun in it,
> balanced units, good randomness, all kinds of goodies. And the
> background seemed pretty awesome.
>
> Until yesterday.
>
> While having a discussion about the good old days of 40K, I mentioned
> my favorite Grot, Makari. Then someone pipes up, "You know they
> killed him, right? Ghazghkull sat on him." Surely this is just a
> joke, just pulling my leg, right?
>
> Coldly he provided a page number, and what do I see on page 6, second
> paragraph under "Gretchin"?
>
> "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
> of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
> to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>
> Great. They used a childish joke to retcon one of my favorite
> characters, the one Grot in the whole galaxy of any interest, and they
> use a lame excuse that makes Ghazghkull and Makari look like two of
> the three Stooges rather than the most dangerous Warboss and luckiest
> Grot in the galaxy just to explain away no Makari model.
>
> As a protest, every time I run Ghazghkull, my old Makari model will be
> by his side to represent his "bosspole" wargear.
>
> Just another sign that GW doesn't understand its customers...
.... or at least, doesn't understand those of its customers who take certain
aspects of the game far more seriously than their authors could ever have
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:22 pm
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:22:58 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
<malafex.DeleteThis@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Just another sign that GW doesn't understand its customers...
>
>... or at least, doesn't understand those of its customers who take certain
>aspects of the game far more seriously than their authors could ever have
>intended.
You know, I could understand if Makari was killed in battle, or died
of old age, or some other accident. But being sat on by Ghaz is a
ridiculous joke I'd expect from a 5-year-old. Ghazghkull loved the
little guy, but we're expected to believe he wouldn't be paying
attention to where he sat his bum and that Makari was too dumb and
slow to get out of the way? This is the warboss who the Imperium has
fits over because he shows a level of tactical and strategic thinking
which they believed was impossible for Orks, yet he's too daft and fat
to avoid sitting on his favorite, lucky banner bearer?
Right... I'll be making sure Makari shows up in every game possible.
This is even dumber than the Squat excuse, which also made absolutely
no sense. If they're going to retcon characters and entire races,
they need to find better excuses for it.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:23 pm
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"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:22:58 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
> <malafex RemoveThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Just another sign that GW doesn't understand its customers...
>>
>>... or at least, doesn't understand those of its customers who take
>>certain
>>aspects of the game far more seriously than their authors could ever have
>>intended.
>
> You know, I could understand if Makari was killed in battle, or died
> of old age, or some other accident. But being sat on by Ghaz is a
> ridiculous joke I'd expect from a 5-year-old. Ghazghkull loved the
> little guy, but we're expected to believe he wouldn't be paying
> attention to where he sat his bum and that Makari was too dumb and
> slow to get out of the way? This is the warboss who the Imperium has
> fits over because he shows a level of tactical and strategic thinking
> which they believed was impossible for Orks, yet he's too daft and fat
> to avoid sitting on his favorite, lucky banner bearer?
>
> Right... I'll be making sure Makari shows up in every game possible.
> This is even dumber than the Squat excuse, which also made absolutely
> no sense. If they're going to retcon characters and entire races,
> they need to find better excuses for it.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:23 pm
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On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:25:55 -0500, "The Cheshire Cat"
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>"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
>news:g2rpo35gubrlmimrasqh6cijkv5563sjbo@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:22:58 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
>> <malafex DeleteThis @blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> Just another sign that GW doesn't understand its customers...
>>>
>>>... or at least, doesn't understand those of its customers who take
>>>certain
>>>aspects of the game far more seriously than their authors could ever have
>>>intended.
>>
>> You know, I could understand if Makari was killed in battle, or died
>> of old age, or some other accident. But being sat on by Ghaz is a
>> ridiculous joke I'd expect from a 5-year-old. Ghazghkull loved the
>> little guy, but we're expected to believe he wouldn't be paying
>> attention to where he sat his bum and that Makari was too dumb and
>> slow to get out of the way? This is the warboss who the Imperium has
>> fits over because he shows a level of tactical and strategic thinking
>> which they believed was impossible for Orks, yet he's too daft and fat
>> to avoid sitting on his favorite, lucky banner bearer?
>>
>> Right... I'll be making sure Makari shows up in every game possible.
>> This is even dumber than the Squat excuse, which also made absolutely
>> no sense. If they're going to retcon characters and entire races,
>> they need to find better excuses for it.
>
>
>and another example of a ten paragraph long explaination.
I've come to appreciate how much you can say in just a few words. For
example, just four words will get my message across nicely here.
Go boil your head.
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"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:05:07 -0800 (PST), Phil Bowles
> <pbowles.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote:
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>>On 15 Jan, 17:34, Richard Busby <richbu....TakeThisOut@hatespam.bellsouth.net>
>>wrote:
>>> Erik Setzer wrote:
>>> > "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
>>> > of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently fed
>>> > to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>>>
>>> I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
>>> disappearance.
>>>
>>> He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
>>
>>As evidenced by the fact that he gets a 2+ invulnerable saving throw
>>against being fired every time he screws up monumentally. Nothing else
>>could possibly explain it.
>
> Hey, the little guy had a 2+ saved vs. everything back in 2nd. Even
> Vortex Grenades couldn't faze him!
>
> (Ironically, though, after having every heavy weapon in the enemy army
> wound him in one game, he was felled by a Land Speeder pilot's
> pistol.)
>
This is one place I'll agree with you Erik. They no longer have cool fluff
supported by rules. Now they alter the fluff to match the rules (traitor
legions for example). Key distinction I think that ruins a lot of the flavor
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"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:25:55 -0500, "The Cheshire Cat"
> <Roknese.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>
>>"Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
>>news:g2rpo35gubrlmimrasqh6cijkv5563sjbo@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 17:22:58 GMT, "Doctor Rock"
>>> <malafex.TakeThisOut@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Just another sign that GW doesn't understand its customers...
>>>>
>>>>... or at least, doesn't understand those of its customers who take
>>>>certain
>>>>aspects of the game far more seriously than their authors could ever
>>>>have
>>>>intended.
>>>
>>> You know, I could understand if Makari was killed in battle, or died
>>> of old age, or some other accident. But being sat on by Ghaz is a
>>> ridiculous joke I'd expect from a 5-year-old. Ghazghkull loved the
>>> little guy, but we're expected to believe he wouldn't be paying
>>> attention to where he sat his bum and that Makari was too dumb and
>>> slow to get out of the way? This is the warboss who the Imperium has
>>> fits over because he shows a level of tactical and strategic thinking
>>> which they believed was impossible for Orks, yet he's too daft and fat
>>> to avoid sitting on his favorite, lucky banner bearer?
>>>
>>> Right... I'll be making sure Makari shows up in every game possible.
>>> This is even dumber than the Squat excuse, which also made absolutely
>>> no sense. If they're going to retcon characters and entire races,
>>> they need to find better excuses for it.
>>
>>
>>and another example of a ten paragraph long explaination.
>
> I've come to appreciate how much you can say in just a few words. For
> example, just four words will get my message across nicely here.
>
> Go boil your head.
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"Kevin Milner" <dontspamme DeleteThis @ihatespam.net> wrote in message
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> "Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:05:07 -0800 (PST), Phil Bowles
>> <pbowles DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 15 Jan, 17:34, Richard Busby <richbu... DeleteThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>> Erik Setzer wrote:
>>>> > "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old age
>>>> > of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently
>>>> > fed
>>>> > to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>>>>
>>>> I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
>>>> disappearance.
>>>>
>>>> He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
>>>
>>>As evidenced by the fact that he gets a 2+ invulnerable saving throw
>>>against being fired every time he screws up monumentally. Nothing else
>>>could possibly explain it.
>>
>> Hey, the little guy had a 2+ saved vs. everything back in 2nd. Even
>> Vortex Grenades couldn't faze him!
>>
>> (Ironically, though, after having every heavy weapon in the enemy army
>> wound him in one game, he was felled by a Land Speeder pilot's
>> pistol.)
>>
> This is one place I'll agree with you Erik. They no longer have cool fluff
> supported by rules. Now they alter the fluff to match the rules (traitor
> legions for example). Key distinction I think that ruins a lot of the
> flavor of the game.
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It was twenty years ago today, Erik Setzer taught the band to play:
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> As a protest, every time I run Ghazghkull, my old Makari model will be
> by his side to represent his "bosspole" wargear.
>
On the upside, he's now unkillable (unless Ghazghkull dies, of course).
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>> "Erik Setzer" <kgavrin-at-gmail-dot-com> wrote in message
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>>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:05:07 -0800 (PST), Phil Bowles
>>> <pbowles RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
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>>>>On 15 Jan, 17:34, Richard Busby <richbu... RemoveThis @hatespam.bellsouth.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> Erik Setzer wrote:
>>>>> > "Makari the Grot, luckiest of all his kind, lived to the ripe old
>>>>> > age
>>>>> > of nine before finally being sat on by his master and subsequently
>>>>> > fed
>>>>> > to an ill-tempered Squiggoth."
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's just a cover story Gaz made up to explain the Grot's
>>>>> disappearance.
>>>>>
>>>>> He actually went into deep cover and is now a Codex designer for GW.
>>>>
>>>>As evidenced by the fact that he gets a 2+ invulnerable saving throw
>>>>against being fired every time he screws up monumentally. Nothing else
>>>>could possibly explain it.
>>>
>>> Hey, the little guy had a 2+ saved vs. everything back in 2nd. Even
>>> Vortex Grenades couldn't faze him!
>>>
>>> (Ironically, though, after having every heavy weapon in the enemy army
>>> wound him in one game, he was felled by a Land Speeder pilot's
>>> pistol.)
>>>
>> This is one place I'll agree with you Erik. They no longer have cool
>> fluff supported by rules. Now they alter the fluff to match the rules
>> (traitor legions for example). Key distinction I think that ruins a lot
>> of the flavor of the game.
>
> what was altered about traitor legions?
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