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Robert Singers

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:06 pm
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Well as I've been painting marines I thought I might even go a bit crazy
and possibly play one of my staff. Now I'm not going to go crazy enough
to run out and buy the latest rulebook and codices so i could do with a
little bit of help.

My colour scheme is going to be WII German cammo dark green for standard
troopers with brown back packs. Elites will be WWII German Cammo Beige
(tinted will almost be bone). Vehicles will be something like a
combination of cammo dark green and black.

Now what I need help with is a general force composition so I can glue on
the appropriate weapons to make up squads. Now I don't have any problems
with squads of six or eight. If I were to keep developing this army I'd
put as many squads as possible in Rhinos or Razorbacks so the army was
mobile - more for thematic reasons. Why the hell would the galaxy's
elite soldiers walk everywhere?

Anyway I finished my count of marines here it is, anyone with some ideas?

Space Marines
Unopened
2 x SM Rhino
1 x SM Land speeder
1 x SM Ravenwing Bike Squad
1 x SM Chaplain on Bike
12 x SM Plastic - Multi pose
1 x SM Plastic - Sergeant
4 x SM Plastic - Single Pose
1 x SM Terminator Sergeant
1 x SM DA Grand Master Azrael
1 x SM DA Librarian Ezekial
1 x SM DA Chaplain Asmodai
1 x SM DA Standard Bearer
1 x SM DA Veteran Sergeant Naaman
1 x SM Devastator with rocket launcher

Opened
22 x SM Plastic - Multi pose
(2 x Las cannon, 6 x Heavy Bolter, 1 x Multi-Melta, 2 x Plasma Cannon)
2 x metal Terminators with various arms
1 x SM Land Speeder
1x SM Attack Bike
1x SM Heavy Bolter
4 x SM DA marines (Vet Sergeants)
1 x SM DA Force Commander
1 x SM Captain (force and storm bolter)
1 x SM with bolter and auspex
1 x SM with powerfist
1 x SM Standard Bearer with bolter and bionic eye
2 x SM Apothecary
1 x SM Techmarine
1 x SM Vet Sergaent
1 x SM Culexus Assassin
1 x SM Terminator Librarian (has Axe and storm bolter and a bit of a
dress)
1 x SM Terminator Chaplain
2 x SM Terminator with auto cannon
2 x SM Terminator with storm bolter
4 x SM plastic terminators (1 x sword, 1 x multi-melta)
5 x SM Scouts (bolt pistol & CCW)

Free Company Crusaders
6 x FCC Captain or Sergeant types
5 x FCC big machine guns
5 x FCC little machine guns
1 x FCC Bazooka \ Rocket launcher
1 x FCC Bazooka \ Rocket launcher loader
1 x FCC Flame thrower
8 x FCC Rifles with bayonets


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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:43 am
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Robert Singers wrote:
> Well as I've been painting marines I thought I might even go a bit crazy
> and possibly play one of my staff.

Good for you!

> Why the hell would the galaxy's
> elite soldiers walk everywhere?

Mine use their Jump Packs. Smile

> Space Marines
> Unopened
> 2 x SM Rhino

I'd convert these to Razorbacks, but you need transport.

> 1 x SM Land speeder

Perfect as-is, in any config. Tho HB & AC is pretty hot right now. Wink

> 1 x SM Ravenwing Bike Squad
> 1 x SM Chaplain on Bike

I don't like bikes.

> 1 x SM Terminator Sergeant
> 1 x SM DA Grand Master Azrael
> 1 x SM DA Librarian Ezekial
> 1 x SM DA Chaplain Asmodai
> 1 x SM DA Standard Bearer
> 1 x SM DA Veteran Sergeant Naaman

OK, it's nice to have Special Characters for painting but not
super-playable. I ignore them.

> 12 x SM Plastic - Multi pose
> 1 x SM Plastic - Sergeant
> 4 x SM Plastic - Single Pose
> 1 x SM Devastator with rocket launcher

> 22 x SM Plastic - Multi pose
> 1x SM Heavy Bolter
> (2 x Las cannon, 6 x Heavy Bolter, 1 x Multi-Melta, 2 x Plasma Cannon)

I'd field:

1x 6 Command w/ 2 Plasma Cannon, Apothecary.
2x 10 Tac w/ Lascannon, Melta, Veteran w/ PF in Rhino
1x 6 Tac w/ ML
1x 6 Dev w/ 4 HB.

> 2 x metal Terminators with various arms

Ignore - too expensive.

> 1 x SM Land Speeder

Goes with the other Land Speeder. OK, this is one Fast Attack slot done.

> 1x SM Attack Bike

Meh.

> 4 x SM DA marines (Vet Sergeants)
> 1 x SM DA Force Commander
> 1 x SM Captain (force and storm bolter)
> 1 x SM with bolter and auspex
> 1 x SM with powerfist
> 1 x SM Standard Bearer with bolter and bionic eye
> 2 x SM Apothecary
> 1 x SM Techmarine
> 1 x SM Vet Sergaent

As with the other Heroes.

> 1 x SM Culexus Assassin
> 1 x SM Terminator Librarian (has Axe and storm bolter and a bit of a
> dress)
> 1 x SM Terminator Chaplain
> 2 x SM Terminator with auto cannon
> 2 x SM Terminator with storm bolter
> 4 x SM plastic terminators (1 x sword, 1 x multi-melta)

Ignore - too specialized & expensive.

But as you need to spend points, I'd make a squad of 5 or 6 Termies with
2 Assault Cannons.

> 5 x SM Scouts (bolt pistol & CCW)

Field these as a cheap Troops pick to grab a corner.

> Free Company Crusaders

Ignore - not Marines.


You have problems:

No Special Weapons.
No Assault capability.
Low Mobility.


Hope this helped.


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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:17 am
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"John Hwang" <JohnHwangCSI DeleteThis @cs.com.no.com> wrote in message
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>> Why the hell would the galaxy's elite soldiers walk everywhere?
>
> Mine use their Jump Packs. Smile

you *really* gotta keep an eye on the gas meter on those...
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:55 pm
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> Why the hell would the galaxy's
> elite soldiers walk everywhere?

They don't, they just park their rhinos outside the battle zones. Wouldn't
want their pimped out rides to get scuffed up ya know.

> Anyway I finished my count of marines here it is, anyone with some ideas?

<snip stuff>

Start with troop choices. The five scouts make one. Put together two tac
squads of 10 guys with 1 Hvy weapon and 1 Assault weapon each to go in the
rhinos. That'll give you 3 troop choices and a solid base for your army.
Organize the rest of your ground pounders into tac squads of 5-7 guys with 1
Hvy and 1 Assault each up to a total of 6 squads as your troop choices.

The speeders can go as a single squadron or two separate Fast Attack
choices. Speeder with Assault Cannon + Hvy Bolter is best but multi-melta
if a good option too. Bikes and attack bikes aren't bad but speeders are
better. I'd go with Hvy Bolter on the attack bike since it works well with
the twin bolters.

After that see what's left and decide what to swap around into Devastators
or Elite retinues.


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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:28 am
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Rob Singers wrote:
> Unnamed2000 Pts - Space Marines: Codex Army

To start, target at 1500 or tournament standard 1850.

> 1 Reclusiarch (HQ) @ 465 Pts
> Terminator Armour [25]
> Master Crafted Weapon [15]

Expensive!

> 3 Terminator Command Squad @ [200] Pts
> Assault Cannon (x2)
> 1 Sergeant @ [40] Pts

Only because you need to burn points.

> 1 Codicier @ [140] Pts
> Terminator Armour [25]

I'd dump Master Crafting and the Librarian.

> 1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 135 Pts
> Missile Launcher; Twin Lascannon

OK, tho PF is usually better than ML, even with Twin Lascannon, because
you have more tactical options.

If you want a gun platform, take a Lascannon Predator for the 3rd
Lascannon & AV13.

> 1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 115 Pts
> Dread. CC Weapon;
> Heavy Flamer; Assault Cannon

This is ideal.

> 1 Techmarine (Elites) @ 100 Pts

He's OK because you have enough vehicles, but make room in a Rhino for him.

> 4 Scout Squad (Troops) @ 65 Pts
> 1 Sergeant @ [13] Pts

Because you need the Troops pick. Later, get a couple Scouts w/ Assault
Weapons (Meltas)

> 9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 264 Pts
> Missile Launcher (x1); Flamer (x1); Frag Grenades
> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [46] Pts
> Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Fist (x1)

Heavy Bolter Here. PF is OK, because you're 10 strong and have
Transport. Frag is probably a waste.

> 1 Rhino APC @ [58] Pts
> Extra Armour [5]
> Smoke Launchers [3]

OK, bog standard.

> 9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 258 Pts
> Heavy Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1); Frag Grenades
> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [41] Pts
> Frag Grenades; Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)

This is fine as-is.

> 1 Rhino APC @ [58] Pts
> Smoke Launchers [3]
> Extra Armour [5]

As is this.

> 9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 190 Pts
> Heavy Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1); Frag Grenades

ML goes here, for the greater range. Frag can go.

> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [31] Pts
> Bolter; Frag Grenades

Just a regular guy is fine.

> 5 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 308 Pts
> Bolter (x1); Lascannon (x2); Plasma Cannon (x2)
> 1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts

This mixes Anti-Tank and Anti-MEQ. Usually, you're wasting shots.

> 1 Razorback APC @ [78] Pts
> Twin Heavy Bolters
> Extra Armour [5]
> Smoke Launchers [3]

OK.

As you have the points and the models, this should be split into 2 squads:
- 5 Devs w/ 2 Lascannons in twin HB Razorback.
- 5 Devs w/ 2 Plasma Cannon.

The Lascannons are marginally better to move up to the Tactical Squads
to concentrate the HB fire:
- 5 Devs w/ 2 Heavy Bolters in twin HB Razorback.

If you have the Apothecary model, even better. Do this:
- Master
- 5 Command Squad w/ 2 Plasma Cannon & Apothecary.


> 0 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 100 Pts
> 1 Land Speeder #1 @ [50] Pts
> 1 Land Speeder #2 @ [50] Pts

Perfectly fine.

As you have the Fast slots, split them into individuals. You can hide
them, then blitz 2 table quarters on the last turn.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:29 am
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Between saving the world and having a spot of tea smithdoerr said

[snip]

>> Also has Powerfists for Dreads disappeared from 4e?
>
> They call them Dreadnaught Close Combat Weapons now.

Then Army Builder is confusing me. It has it by default and still wants
me to make two weapon choices.

[snip]

>> 9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 190 Pts
>> Bolter (x7); Heavy Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1); Frag Grenades
>>
>> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [31] Pts
>> Bolter; Frag Grenades
>
> Don't bother upgrading sergeants unless you plan to give them power
> weapons or fists. I'd give this squad the missile launcher since
> they're more likely to be sitting still than the rhino squads with
> close combat sergeants in 'em.

Good point. I've been thinking that I'll put together all of the Heavy
weapons and possibly pick up some more models for fillers. maybe some
older metal marines.

[snip]

>> 5 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 308 Pts
>> Bolter (x1); Lascannon (x2); Plasma Cannon (x2)
>>
>> 1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts
>> Bolter
>
> Lascannons and Plasma Cannons are really expensive in Devastator
> Squads so I usually put those weapons in Tac squads instead just stick
> with Missile Launchers and occasionally Hvy Bolters for my Devs. But
> if these are all the weapons you've got then just go with this as is.
> Just be careful how you deploy them because they're going to attract a
> lot of enemy fire.

I suppose I just have this mental block with LC & PCs in tactical squads.
They just look too damn big to be deployed into any thing that may
resemble close combat. Smile


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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:53 am
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OK so I've taken what you and smithdoerr have said and made a 1500pt list
based on what I have to hand.

1 Master (HQ) @ 326 Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)
Terminator Honours [15]

2 Command Squad @ [220] Pts
Plasma Cannon (x2)

1 Apothecary @ [40] Pts
Bolter
#Narthecium [0]
#Reductor [0]

1 Standard Bearer @ [40] Pts
Bolter
#Company Banner [0]

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [40] Pts
Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)

1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 115 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Dread. CC
Weapon;
Heavy Flamer; Assault Cannon

1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 135 Pts
Front Armour: 12; Side Armour: 12; Rear Armour: 10; Missile
Launcher; Twin
Lascannon

9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 244 Pts
Bolter (x7); Lascannon (x1); Flamer (x1)

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [30] Pts
Bolter

1 Rhino APC @ [58] Pts
Storm Bolter
Extra Armour [5]
Smoke Launchers [3]

9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 238 Pts
Bolter (x7); Heavy Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1)

1 Veteran Sergeant @ [30] Pts
Bolter

1 Rhino APC @ [58] Pts
Storm Bolter
Extra Armour [5]
Smoke Launchers [3]

5 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 101 Pts
Bolter (x3); Heavy Bolter (x1); Flamer (x1)

1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts
Bolter

4 Scout Squad (Troops) @ 65 Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep. (x4); Infilitrate Skill

1 Sergeant @ [13] Pts
Bolt Pistol & CCWep.; Infilitrate Skill

1 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 50 Pts

1 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 50 Pts

5 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 170 Pts
Bolter (x1); Missile Launcher (x4)

1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts
Bolter

Models in Army: 49


Total Army Cost: 1494


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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:39 am
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"Rob Singers" <rsingers.TakeThisOut@finger.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Between saving the world and having a spot of tea smithdoerr said
>
> [snip]
>
>>> Also has Powerfists for Dreads disappeared from 4e?
>>
>> They call them Dreadnaught Close Combat Weapons now.
>
> Then Army Builder is confusing me. It has it by default and still wants
> me to make two weapon choices.

Yep, default is Assault Cannon and CCW w/built in stom bolter (this is the
combo I use most). You can replace the CCW with a missile launcher and the
Ass Can with Twin-Lascannons or a Multi-Melta.

>>> 5 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 308 Pts
>>> Bolter (x1); Lascannon (x2); Plasma Cannon (x2)
>>>
>>> 1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts
>>> Bolter
>>
>> Lascannons and Plasma Cannons are really expensive in Devastator
>> Squads so I usually put those weapons in Tac squads instead just stick
>> with Missile Launchers and occasionally Hvy Bolters for my Devs. But
>> if these are all the weapons you've got then just go with this as is.
>> Just be careful how you deploy them because they're going to attract a
>> lot of enemy fire.
>
> I suppose I just have this mental block with LC & PCs in tactical squads.
> They just look too damn big to be deployed into any thing that may
> resemble close combat. Smile

I usually have 1 or 2 Tac squads of 5-6 guys with a Lascannon and Plasma
Gun. I just have them sit in my deployment area the whole time and plink
away at tanks at the start of the game and then shoot any troops that get
within 24" later in the game. They're fairly cheap and do a decent job of
popping vehicles and keeping the bad guys away from my side of the board.


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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 3:31 pm
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Rob Singers wrote:
> OK so I've taken what you and smithdoerr have said and made a 1500pt list
> based on what I have to hand.
>
> 1 Master (HQ) @ 326 Pts
> Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)
> Terminator Honours [15]
>
> 2 Command Squad @ [220] Pts
> Plasma Cannon (x2)
> 1 Apothecary @ [40] Pts
> 1 Standard Bearer @ [40] Pts
> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [40] Pts
> Bolt Pistol (x1); Power Weapon (x1)

This looks quite good, tho you don't really need the Standard or
Veteran. I'd just take generic bullet-catchers. You always need to
remember that, in 40k, the enemy shoots back! Anywhere from 1/3 to 2/3
of the models should be designated bullet-catchers.

> 1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 115 Pts
> Dread. CC Weapon; Heavy Flamer; Assault Cannon
> 1 Dreadnought (Elites) @ 135 Pts
> Missile Launcher; Twin Lascannon

These are fine.

> 9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 244 Pts
> Lascannon (x1); Flamer (x1)
> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [30] Pts

You can use a regular Sgt here.

> 1 Rhino APC @ [58] Pts
> Storm Bolter
> Extra Armour [5]
> Smoke Launchers [3]

OK.

> 9 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 238 Pts
> Heavy Bolter (x1); Meltagun (x1)
> 1 Veteran Sergeant @ [30] Pts

Give a Power Fist with the points saved above. This is your
counter-charge unit.

> 1 Rhino APC @ [58] Pts
> Storm Bolter
> Extra Armour [5]
> Smoke Launchers [3]

OK.

> 5 Tactical Squad (Troops) @ 101 Pts
> Heavy Bolter (x1); Flamer (x1)
> 1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts

This team is really good to carry the Lascannon above. Just place in
your DZ, and plink away.

> 4 Scout Squad (Troops) @ 65 Pts
> 1 Sergeant @ [13] Pts

This team is good to babysit the 5-man Lascannon team.

> 1 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 50 Pts
> 1 Land Speeder Squadron (Fast Attack) @ 50 Pts

Good.

> 5 Devastator Squad (Heavy Support) @ 170 Pts
> Bolter (x1); Missile Launcher (x4)
> 1 Sergeant @ [15] Pts

This is great fire support.

> Models in Army: 49
>
> Total Army Cost: 1494

This army should play pretty well in 1500 pts. It's a little static,
but has good numbers, flexibility, and decent firepower / mobility.
It'd be a fairly tough nut to crack. You should have fun playing it.


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