creatures 3d

On 2006-05-23, xxobot <creaturetrade.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> to ANYONE who is still posting here, or even monitering this website, I

*Website*?!

> have had it with waiting for a creatures 3d to come out, so I have

Oh, already?

> decided to make my own, but I can't do it on my own, so I am looking

What a surprise.

> for anyone who is interested and has had experince in c, c++, anyone
> interested please post in this forom, thankyou.

"forum" - except that it isn't. Look up the word "USENET".

Anyway (I know, I've been a bit rude, but that's just my current mood.)
you might want to have a look at the creatures wiki (whatever that damn
URL was; google should do the trick. And there is work on the way
reimplementing the C3/DS engine, so this might be a nice place to have a
look at. Learn walking before you have a go at flying and stuff.
Creating a 3D Creatures is an extremely different thing to do - not the
basic stuff like the graphics and maybe not even the 3D models you'll
undoubtly need (in short plenty of content that'll take years of mantime
to make). The problem is creating a brain that is able to navigate in 3D
or pseudo 3D. Remember that Creatures is basicly 1D...
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emmel wrote:
> On 2006-05-23, xxobot <creaturetrade.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > to ANYONE who is still posting here, or even monitering this website, I
>
> *Website*?!
>
> > have had it with waiting for a creatures 3d to come out, so I have
>
> Oh, already?
>
> > decided to make my own, but I can't do it on my own, so I am looking
>
> What a surprise.
>
> > for anyone who is interested and has had experince in c, c++, anyone
> > interested please post in this forom, thankyou.
>
> "forum" - except that it isn't. Look up the word "USENET".
>
> Anyway (I know, I've been a bit rude, but that's just my current mood.)
> you might want to have a look at the creatures wiki (whatever that damn
> URL was; google should do the trick. And there is work on the way
> reimplementing the C3/DS engine, so this might be a nice place to have a
> look at. Learn walking before you have a go at flying and stuff.
> Creating a 3D Creatures is an extremely different thing to do - not the
> basic stuff like the graphics and maybe not even the 3D models you'll
> undoubtly need (in short plenty of content that'll take years of mantime
> to make). The problem is creating a brain that is able to navigate in 3D
> or pseudo 3D. Remember that Creatures is basicly 1D...
> --
> emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
> (Don't forget to remove the ** bit)
>
> Official AGC feedback maniac
>
> "God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."
>
> "A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."
>
> "I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
> "I could, but Linda suits me a little better...
> Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."
>
> Hi, I'm a .sig virus. Just copy me to your .signature. And don't worry.

Well, actually, In creatures 1,2,3,ds (thats all I know) Chemicles do
most of the work, Like theres a fear chemicle, a reward chemicle and so
on and so fourth... So the current brian can just be simmilar (and I
mean similar) to the current norn brain, as for the 3d graphics, that
is faily easy, for at least low detail stuff.
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On 2006-06-02, xxobot <creaturetrade DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> emmel wrote:
>> On 2006-05-23, xxobot <creaturetrade DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> > to ANYONE who is still posting here, or even monitering this website, I
>>
>> *Website*?!
>>
>> > have had it with waiting for a creatures 3d to come out, so I have
>>
>> Oh, already?
>>
>> > decided to make my own, but I can't do it on my own, so I am looking
>>
>> What a surprise.
>>
>> > for anyone who is interested and has had experince in c, c++, anyone
>> > interested please post in this forom, thankyou.
>>
>> "forum" - except that it isn't. Look up the word "USENET".
>>
>> Anyway (I know, I've been a bit rude, but that's just my current mood.)
>> you might want to have a look at the creatures wiki (whatever that damn
>> URL was; google should do the trick. And there is work on the way
>> reimplementing the C3/DS engine, so this might be a nice place to have a
>> look at. Learn walking before you have a go at flying and stuff.
>> Creating a 3D Creatures is an extremely different thing to do - not the
>> basic stuff like the graphics and maybe not even the 3D models you'll
>> undoubtly need (in short plenty of content that'll take years of mantime
>> to make). The problem is creating a brain that is able to navigate in 3D
>> or pseudo 3D. Remember that Creatures is basicly 1D...
>
> Well, actually, In creatures 1,2,3,ds (thats all I know) Chemicles do
> most of the work, Like theres a fear chemicle, a reward chemicle and so
> on and so fourth... So the current brian can just be simmilar (and I
> mean similar) to the current norn brain, as for the 3d graphics, that
> is faily easy, for at least low detail stuff.

Low detail stuff looks ghastly. Anyway, 3D means having to give Norns
the ability to sense in 3D and to move in 3D. True, chemicals do a lot,
but the brain has to have at least an idea (instincts) how to deal with
such an environment in the first place. And dragging a norn along an
area in 3D seems quite a challenge interface-wise.
--
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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better...
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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Thankyou for pointing out that 3d interface problem, maybe I should
just go back to the creatures one way, where you couldn't drag them.
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And the low detail stuff looking gastly is too true
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On 2006-06-03, xxobot <creaturetrade.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Thankyou for pointing out that 3d interface problem, maybe I should
> just go back to the creatures one way, where you couldn't drag them.

Might be better. And I though about it again. Apart from the interface
and the location memory (which in C3 constisted only of smell stuff
anyway) 3D boils down to 'what to show on the screen' and 'how to place
the objects in 3D'. 'appoach object' as an actions shouldn't make that
much of a problem after all.
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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

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Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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I want to know how we agent developers are supposed to make sprites in
3D?
The scripting won't be a problem, but will we need textures and models
and animations?
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Alex Watson <alexwatson RemoveThis @deadspam.com> wrote in news:44898e42$0$30730
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> emmel wrote:
>> Low detail stuff looks ghastly. Anyway, 3D means having to give Norns
>> the ability to sense in 3D and to move in 3D. True, chemicals do a lot,
>> but the brain has to have at least an idea (instincts) how to deal with
>> such an environment in the first place. And dragging a norn along an
>> area in 3D seems quite a challenge interface-wise.
>
> I may have said this here before, but Black&White did a good job of this
> sort of thing using a disembodied hand. There must be other games that
> do something similar. I'm sure it'd be a nightmare to code, but I found
> the UI fairly intuitive. (Someone here didn't. xOtix, I think?)
>
>

I wish I had a memory like yours (wry smile)

The interface is greatly improved in B+W 2, but as trying as ever to get
that stupid tiger to do what you want. (gave up again) playing SWG's NGE
and abandoned AO for it and will probably get shafted again by SOE and quit
again. lol
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On 2006-06-09, rprogrammer.RemoveThis@gmail.com <rprogrammer.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> I want to know how we agent developers are supposed to make sprites in
> 3D?
> The scripting won't be a problem, but will we need textures and models
> and animations?

3D software. Unfortunally not many people get the hang of that... hell,
I didn't even manage to get things done in *2D*.
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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better...
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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emmel schreef:
> On 2006-06-09, rprogrammer RemoveThis @gmail.com <rprogrammer RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> I want to know how we agent developers are supposed to make sprites in
>> 3D?
>> The scripting won't be a problem, but will we need textures and models
>> and animations?
>
> 3D software. Unfortunally not many people get the hang of that... hell,
> I didn't even manage to get things done in *2D*.

The trick is to keep the time between deleting the old sprite and
drawing the new sprite as short as possible. IOW you don't do
calculations and processing input during that phase. Or else your sprite
will flicker no matter what you do. This is someone unnatural when you
start coding at first.

Thomas
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On 2006-06-15, Thomas J. Boschloo <nospam.DeleteThis@hccnet.nl> wrote:
> emmel schreef:
>> On 2006-06-09, rprogrammer.DeleteThis@gmail.com <rprogrammer.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I want to know how we agent developers are supposed to make sprites in
>>> 3D?
>>> The scripting won't be a problem, but will we need textures and models
>>> and animations?
>>
>> 3D software. Unfortunally not many people get the hang of that... hell,
>> I didn't even manage to get things done in *2D*.
>
> The trick is to keep the time between deleting the old sprite and
> drawing the new sprite as short as possible. IOW you don't do
> calculations and processing input during that phase. Or else your sprite
> will flicker no matter what you do. This is someone unnatural when you
> start coding at first.

Doublebuffering, someone?

Anyway, I wasn't talking about coding it, but doing the *sprites*.
Displaying the stuff is rather simple if you go for SDL...
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emmel <the_emmel*you-know-what-that's-for*@gmx.net>
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"God is playing creatures - and we're the norns."

"A hundred dead are a tragedy - a hundred thousand are statistics."

"I guess you can call yourself lucky." -
"I could, but Linda suits me a little better...
Things called lucky tend to get hit by trucks."

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